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White House office to delete its FOIA regulations[W:84]

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American said:
It doesn't matter what happened during Bush, because Obama made the claim he was going to be better than Bush or anyone else for that matter. He lied.
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Yes, it does matter. We should demand all presidents follow the FOIA installed in 1977. Not just democrats. And yes, I've already said repeatedly that Obama, despite his claims, is not the most transparent administration yet.
 
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Montecresto said:
What?? There's no defense offered up for Obama. It would have been better had FOIA regulations remained in place. Think the next GOP president will replace them, hmm?

– Issa Tried To Kill A Landmark Expansion Of FOIA Law: In 2007, a bipartisan bill HR 1309 was proposed to expand the FOIA process, including a tracking system for submitters to view the status of their request, new reporting requirements for congressional oversight, and a provision to ensure that requests not processed within twenty days would not require a fee. The Bush administration fought vigorously against the bill. Issa even sponsored an amendment to the bill to kill off the proposed “open records policy,” claiming Al Qaeda would “harvest” the data. In the end, the bill passed by an overwhelming majority in the House, despite Issa’s “no” vote. Unfortunately, it died in the Senate.
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You are citing a purposed expansion, THIS is referring to compliance with an already existing law that has been honored for over 30 years, and from the administration that claimed to be the most transparent in history.

See the difference?
 
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American said:
White House office to delete its FOIA regulations



The MOST transparent administration in the history of the Universe!!!!!
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Finally a true reflection of reality!

And, of course, NOT covered my the Biased Lame Stream Media. Could make a ruckus about this, as isn't it their FOI requests that are impacted by this? Or at least how this administration chooses to fulfill FOI requests?
 
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US Conservative said:
You are citing a purposed expansion, THIS is referring to compliance with an already existing law that has been honored for over 30 years, and from the administration that claimed to be the most transparent in history.

See the difference?
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For thirty years. 1977, do the math.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
"I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the Executive Branch and not go through Congress at all, and that's what I intend to reverse when I'm President of the United States of America." Senator Obama, 200
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Well, he did reverse it. It's him, a democrat instead of Bush, a republican that is seizing power now.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Finally a true reflection of reality!

And, of course, NOT covered my the Biased Lame Stream Media. Could make a ruckus about this, as isn't it their FOI requests that are impacted by this? Or at least how this administration chooses to fulfill FOI requests?
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USA Today isn't mainstream media? That's where the OP's link is from.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, keep pushing that lie Kobie.

To your credit, your motivations for pushing the "B-b-but BUSH!" argument are far more transparent than the Obama administration.
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Yep, just as I thought. You can't quote the post where I defended it, because I didn't. You lied.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I certainly believe it is a superior form of government. Can you see this guy surviving daily Question Period? You are virtually under oath. "You can keep your plan..." wouldn't have been a game changer, it would have been a career ender.

What the Obamacrats don't see, is that Obama is hardly a better president than any of them, they have excused his every misdeed with "What about....?"

He is in fact the lowest in a long line of low.
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Who gives a **** what a Canadian thinks about our president, hmm? Do you even have a clue what happens down the street from you? Do you pretend to know what's happening in America? Find something to do, at home, hear?
 
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Kobie said:
Yep, just as I thought. You can't quote the post where I defended it, because I didn't. You lied.
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How can you be so versed in the art of deflection not understand that it is a form of defense? I think you know and are just playing dumb.
 
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jmotivator said:
How can you be so versed in the art of deflection not understand that it is a form of defense? I think you know and are just playing dumb.
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Pointing out that the article was quoted out of context is defending the policy? Sadly, you're wrong. Again.
 
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Montecresto said:
Who gives a **** what a Canadian thinks about our president, hmm? Do you even have a clue what happens down the street from you? Do you pretend to know what's happening in America? Find something to do, at home, hear?
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What is this? F&L is extremely well versed in both Canadian and American politics. In fact I often find our Canadian forumites (there are several here) to be more up to date than many of our American members, especially the liberal side.

Also, its not very tolerant of you to blanket smear another nation (and our ally, though I know you dont care about that), you are getting downright rude, man. Control yourself.
 
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jmotivator said:
How can you be so versed in the art of deflection not understand that it is a form of defense? I think you know and are just playing dumb.
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He knows. I have asked him to discuss issues substantively but it does not happen.
 
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US Conservative said:
He knows. I have asked him to discuss issues substantively but it does not happen.
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He does? I would have to disagree, as I don't think he knows much at all.
 
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Kobie said:
Pointing out that the article was quoted out of context is defending the policy? Sadly, you're wrong. Again.
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The quote was not out of context. The OP topic was that the Obama administration is removing the FOIA regulations that have been in place for 30 years, that is what the highlight said.

You decided that the context should include "b-b-but Boooosh!", deflecting the conversation away from the very real truth that it is the Obama administration that is wholly exempting itself from FOIA.
 
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MMC said:
Perfect timing for BO peep, when the Media is looking at BO knowing about Hillary's emails in 2013 and then going on TV and said yeah, they sent emails back and forth.

That Implausible Denability.....huh?
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Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

This latest news should alarm everyone - no matter what side of the aisle you're on! We are paying their salaries, and they are accountable to us, no matter how they feel about it. Politicians in particular should never be allowed to do exactly what they wish with no explanation, human nature being what it is. We the people will pay for this mistake, and there's no doubt about that!

Eliminating checks and balances is a road Mother Nature doesn't allow, and I offer a simple example of poison ivy, which always has the jewelweed growing nearby as an antidote to ivy poisoning... for our protection. Take away the protection and we suffer, and so it shall be.
 
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US Conservative said:
What is this? F&L is extremely well versed in both Canadian and American politics. In fact I often find our Canadian forumites (there are several here) to be more up to date than many of our American members, especially the liberal side.

Also, its not very tolerant of you to blanket smear another nation (and our ally, though I know you dont care about that), you are getting downright rude, man. Control yourself.
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That's because they're Obama hating neocons such as yourself. Birds of a feather. Have you ever come to my defense for the way he speaks to me, every single time he addresses me, hmm. Never mind, I don't need the help.

And there was no blanket smear. It was a pinpoint criticism of one Canadian. Better check your reading. The Guess Who, BTO, Loverboy, Brian Adams, good things to come out of Canada.
 
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Kobie said:
USA Today isn't mainstream media? That's where the OP's link is from.
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Now be honest Kobie.

It's a significant event when a Sec. State isn't playing by the rules, and hasn't executed the proper documentation, and / or has done things that have run afoul of those every agreements that state can't seem to produce in a timely manner.

Not nearly getting as much air time or column inches as a bunch of other, far less significant stuff. Yeah, seems the Biased Lame Stream Media and their editorial decisions are striking again. Might very well be why so many of the electorate are so clueless about how badly the nation is being led.
 
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polgara said:
Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

This latest news should alarm everyone - no matter what side of the aisle you're on! We are paying their salaries, and they are accountable to us, no matter how they feel about it. Politicians in particular should never be allowed to do exactly what they wish with no explanation, human nature being what it is. We the people will pay for this mistake, and there's no doubt about that!

Eliminating checks and balances is a road Mother Nature doesn't allow, and I offer a simple example of poison ivy, which always has the jewelweed growing nearby as an antidote to ivy poisoning... for our protection. Take away the protection and we suffer, and so it shall be.
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Mornin Lady P.
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Yes this should.....but I would take notice how the Media hasn't made it to much of an attention. Especially, when talking about records, emails and transparency.



The rule change means that there will no longer be a formal process for the public to request that the White House voluntarily disclose records as part of what's known as a "discretionary disclosure." Records released by the Office of Administration voluntarily include White House visitor logs and the recipe for beer brewed at the White House......snip~
 
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The move is based on a court ruling from 2009

A: Since it was first established by President Carter in 1977, the Office of Administration responded to FOIA requests under the Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations. The office is no longer required by regulation to respond to those requests.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion-freedom-of-information-act-foia/24906463/

People's angst is misplaced by partisan hatred.
 
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polgara said:
Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

This latest news should alarm everyone - no matter what side of the aisle you're on! We are paying their salaries, and they are accountable to us, no matter how they feel about it. Politicians in particular should never be allowed to do exactly what they wish with no explanation, human nature being what it is. We the people will pay for this mistake, and there's no doubt about that!

Eliminating checks and balances is a road Mother Nature doesn't allow, and I offer a simple example of poison ivy, which always has the jewelweed growing nearby as an antidote to ivy poisoning... for our protection. Take away the protection and we suffer, and so it shall be.
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Absolutely! Is this a republic or not?
 
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Montecresto said:
That's because they're Obama hating neocons such as yourself. Birds of a feather. Have you ever come to my defense for the way he speaks to me, every single time he addresses me, hmm. Never mind, I don't need the help.

And there was no blanket smear. It was a pinpoint criticism of one Canadian. Better check your reading. The Guess Who, BTO, Loverboy, Brian Adams, good things to come out of Canada.
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F&L is a liberal, guy. Now what?
 
Re: White House office to delete its FOIA regulations

Montecresto said:
The move is based on a court ruling from 2009

A: Since it was first established by President Carter in 1977, the Office of Administration responded to FOIA requests under the Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations. The office is no longer required by regulation to respond to those requests.

Explaining the White House FOIA rule repeal

People's angst is misplaced by partisan hatred.
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And this department in the White House complied, even after the ruling until just now.

The fact is the white house is now less transparent, even as it claims to be the most transparent in history. Its laughable.
 
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