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Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

Atiya said:
Too bad she was murdered by her unstable son. If all victims sued gun owners or their estate maybe some decent laws curtailing the lot of so many guns would get passed. What was this woman thinking to house so many guns in her home? Why did she feel the need to be so surrounded? Guess it's too late to find out now.
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Ever heard of the second amendment? She was legally and morally entitled to own and possess the guns. However she should have safeguarded them to keep her mentally ill son from getting his hands on them.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Apples and oranges. The people suing are not the ones dead.
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Why does that matter? People sue when family members are injured or killed. This is no different. Unless you're arguing that only the injured person can sue someone and not next if kin.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
More people are murdered with hammers than with rifles.

As it happens, I own several hammers. None of them are stored in any more secure a manner than to be in my apartment, the door to which is kept locked when neither my wife or I are home, or when we are both in bed. Anyone who broke into my apartment, and searched for a hammer, would probably find one.

If someone steals one of my hammers, and uses it to commit a murder, should I be held liable?
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Gaius46 said:
No but a reasonable person may well take more steps to secure a firearm and therein lies the difference.
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Why should there be a difference?

More murders are committed with hammers than with rifles. It stands to reason that any of my hammers has a greater chance of being used as a murder weapon, than any of my rifles.

If I should be held liable if someone steals one of my rifles, and uses it to commit a crime, should I not at least be equally liable if someone steals one of my hammers and uses it to commit a crime?

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Gaius46 said:
That's the way the system works. Can it be abused? Certainly.

I never said having guns in your house was negligent. Having guns in your house, unsecured, when you live with a violence prone person with mental illness may well be negligent.

As a side note I can't believe anyone would really treat a firearm with the same casualness they'd treat a hammer. Anyone who actually does shouldn't have a weapon.
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Perhaps you should not be allowed to possess a hammer or any other dangerous tool, if you have so little grasp of the potential danger that such a tool represents, if misused.

Or be allowed to drive a car, for that matter.
 
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haymarket said:
I thought killing was one of the main purposes of a gun.
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nope-AR-15s are designed for legal civilian use. Killing might be the byproduct of some of those uses
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Perhaps you should not be allowed to possess a hammer or any other dangerous tool, if you have so little grasp of the potential danger that such a tool represents, if misused.

Or be allowed to drive a car, for that matter.
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The correct comparison would be hammers to all firearms not just rifles.

I'll ask you the same question I've asked someone else. You have a pencil, a hammer and a loaded handgun on your kitchen. A stranger comes into your kitchen. From a safe guarding standpoint do you treat them all the same? Put them all away because you're afraid they'll be used as weapons? Leave them all out? Secure some but not others?
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Is killing a synonym for murder?
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It is part and parcel of it. Firearms were created to shoot people and other living creatures. That was their intended purpose.
 
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TurtleDude said:
nope-AR-15s are designed for legal civilian use. Killing might be the byproduct of some of those uses
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Firearms were created to kill people and other living things.
 
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TurtleDude said:
if they win, hopefully the money will go to the gun maker and gun dealers who were sued in violation of the law and Rule 11
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'Cos they were the real victims of Sandy Hook, after all.
 
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haymarket said:
It is part and parcel of it. Firearms were created to shoot people and other living creatures. That was their intended purpose.
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Still dodging the very simple question, I see.

Is killing synonym for murder?
 
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haymarket said:
It certainly can be depending on the situation and the facts involved.
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Again with the dodge.

It's a very simple question that requires only a "yes" or a "no" answer.

Is killing a synonym for murder?
 
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nota bene said:
You need to visit the Abortion forum and share this theory.
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not in a million years. :mrgreen::2wave:

Its more than enough making occasional forays into gun threads. ;)
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Again with the dodge.

It's a very simple question that requires only a "yes" or a "no" answer.

Is killing a synonym for murder?
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see post 140 where I provided just what you asked for with verifiable evidence showing that MURDER and KILL are synonyms of each other.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Why does that matter? People sue when family members are injured or killed. This is no different. Unless you're arguing that only the injured person can sue someone and not next if kin.
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Mostly I am saying this is a political stunt.
 
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haymarket said:
see post 140 where I provided just what you asked for with verifiable evidence showing that MURDER and KILL are synonyms of each other.
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Verifiable evidence.:lol:

Here it is ladies and gentleman! The cornerstone of the case to sue gun manufacturers is that the guns were designed specifically to MURDER people!:lamo

Good luck with that. If some schmuck like me can destroy that line of attack with one simple question that you have to lie through your teeth to "answer", what do you think would happen in a courtroom with real professionals?

You can't MURDER a duck or a deer or a target.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Sandy Hoax? Could be.
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It seems to me they really tipped their hand by sending the police all the way to Florida to intimidate Halbig. If the story is so solid, why would they make that effort?
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Verifiable evidence.:lol:

Here it is ladies and gentleman! The cornerstone of the case to sue gun manufacturers is that the guns were designed specifically to MURDER people!:lamo

Good luck with that. If some schmuck like me can destroy that line of attack with one simple question that you have to lie through your teeth to "answer", what do you think would happen in a courtroom with real professionals?

You can't MURDER a duck or a deer or a target.
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So when you posed the question to me about if MURDER and KILLING were synonyms for each other - you really did not want an authoritative answer and were just trolling and looking for a fight.

Got it.

Sorry that the thesaurus says I am correct and you are wrong.

You should stop the phony sham of pretending to ask questions if you cannot handle the answers.
 
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haymarket said:
So when you posed the question to me about if MURDER and KILLING were synonyms for each other - you really did not want an authoritative answer and were just trolling and looking for a fight.

Got it.

Sorry that the thesaurus says I am correct and you are wrong.

You should stop the phony sham of pretending to ask questions if you cannot handle the answers.
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And now you are reduced to arguing minutia.:lol:

...and FWIW, this isn't a "phoney sham". Your line of reasoning was built on a lie and I simply exposed it with very little effort. Something that I'm very happy to do whenever I have a little time to... murder.;)
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
And now you are reduced to arguing minutia.:lol:

...and FWIW, this isn't a "phoney sham". Your line of reasoning was built on a lie and I simply exposed it with very little effort. Something that I'm very happy to do whenever I have a little time to... murder.;)
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Not at all. You asked me a direct question and I gave you a very specific answer using verifiable evidence from a thesaurus.

The only thing you help "expose" was that I was correct in saying firearms were invented for killing.
 
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