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Jeb's Email Problem

Even if he did behave within the law (which I'm not knowledgeable enough about Florida state law to say), his handling of emails isn't terribly different from Clinton's.

Maybe it isn't different...maybe it is.

Like I said, I can't read the article so I really don't know what it says he did or didn't do, whether what he did or didn't do is legal or illegal under applicable laws and regulations or whether there is any issue of sensitive or classified information involved.

Look, I don't have any problem with Hillary running all her email correspondence through her own private server. It was certainly allowed under federal law and State Department regulations. I AM concerned that she may have violated State Dept. regulations by not archiving all SD-related emails and that she may have violated other regulations that are punishable as felonies.

I would be equally concerned if Jeb Bush did the same thing. Did he?

In any case, I'm already on record saying that anyone who mixes personal with employer-related emails is being pretty damned stupid.
 
This is just another example of the Bush's penchant for secrecy and belief that the law doesn't apply to them. It proves that his talk about transparency is just a lie.

This will obviously torpedo his run for President

/sarcasm

I understand your sarcasm, but seriously, who cares? I mean, it's not like there isn't anyone else the Republicans can nominate...as is the case with the Democrats. The Republicans haven't pinned all their hopes of winning in 2016 on one person.
 
Well, there is one aspect you didn't take into consideration when comparing the 2. Jeb Bush hasn't been embroiled in a congressional investigation, where his emails represent crutial evidence, where as Hillary's emails are... an investigation that began long before she left office.

Neither is enough to stop the email scandals from petering out.
 
She probably didn't, or (less likely), she may have signed it and no one can recover it now.

That wouldn't surprise me a bit with this Administration. They are by far the most secretive and "do whatever the hell they want" Administration in at least my lifetime.
 
Hard to say. Hillary wouldn't be a wonderful president, but she wouldn't be a terrible one, either. Jeb would absolutely be a nightmare.

Scratch that, reverse it.
 
So he says he's disclosing everything that's related to government business, but the truth is that no one else has any way to confirm it:



Source



Was this illegal, against the rules, or considered improper in Florida at the time.

Frankly, doing it that way is very stupid, now. In the 90's email was just becoming popular, and in the early 2000's we were only learning about the ramifications, so the parallel is far less than perfect
 
I'm not dismissing the server issue, or the questions around Clinton's actions. Just pointing out that the hypocrisy from the scandal mongers is quite telling.

Looks like this may become another Benghazi.

There is no hypocrisy among 'scandal mongers'. Unless you can show the state of Florida has a law that says all official communication must be transmitted via state email servers there is no violation. What IS happening is the mindless democrat sycophants are desperate to find a way to pretend what Hillary did was not that big a deal. IF you can show the state of Florida has such a law, then that would be yet another reason why voters should not select Jeb Bush and in fact he should be disqualified by the GOP from running. IF there is such a law.

Of course...IF that turns out to be the case, democrats will fall all over themselves defending Jeb because really...what difference does it make?

How many times have we heard democrats say they have reviewed all the official email and records on Benghazi and determined there was nothing untoward or inappropriate? On the Fast and Furious crap? On the IRS scandals? Now we find out that the reason why they found nothing is because they were given nothing.
 
Jeb Bush is the only candidate that would cause me to vote for Hillary Clinton.

and hillary is the candidate who would cause me to vote for jeb
 
Even if he did behave within the law (which I'm not knowledgeable enough about Florida state law to say), his handling of emails isn't terribly different from Clinton's.

Since facts should be the pursuit of all:

- What kinds of agency records are subject to the Public Records Act?

(1) Personal e-mail

The Florida Supreme Court has ruled that private e-mail stored in government computers does not automatically become a public record by virtue of that storage. State v. City of Clearwater, 863 So. 2d 149 (Fla. 2003). "Just as an agency cannot circumvent the Public Records Act by allowing a private entity to maintain physical custody of documents that fall within the definition of 'public records,' . . . private documents cannot be deemed public records solely by virtue of their placement on an agency-owned computer." Id. at 154. The Court cautioned, however, that the case before it did not involve e-mails "that may have been isolated by a government employee whose job required him or her to locate employee misuse of government computers." Id. at 151n.2. Cf. Bent v. State, No. 4D10-2726 (Fla. 4th DCA filed September 29, 2010) (recordings of personal telephone calls between minors in jail awaiting trial and third parties made by sheriff's office are not public records when contents of the phone calls do not involve criminal activity or a security breach). Compare Miami-Dade County v. Professional Law Enforcement Association, 997 So. 2d 1289 (Fla. 3d DCA 2009) (personal flight log of pilots paid by county which are required as part of pilot's administrative duties are distinguishable from personal e-mails in City of Clearwater case and are subject to disclosure). Cf. Grapski v. Machen, Case No. 01-2005-CA-4005 J (Fla. 8th Cir. Ct. May 9, 2006), affirmed per curiam, 949 So. 2d 202 (Fla. 1st DCA 2007) (spam or bulk mail received by a public agency does not necessarily constitute a public record).
 
She probably didn't, or (less likely), she may have signed it and no one can recover it now.

part of the separation process at state
she probably e-faxed it to her personal email
gone now; she hit delete
 
and hillary is the candidate who would cause me to vote for jeb

And if McConnell keeps the Senate and Bibi doesn't lose next week, that would give us a war with Iran .
 
If Hillary and Jeb have private email accounts then it's likely that a lot of other elected officials do too. So perhaps there should be an investigation in congress to see how many members have private accounts and if they're complying with the law, too. It would be interesting to know what goes on behind some of those congressional committees...especially the ones that use their investigative powers for political revenge rather than truth seeking.
 
So Jeb's email problem has become a Hillary email thread--not blaming you.

The GOP Senate took their eyes off the Clinton email prize with the Cotton letter.
As you've seen with the lame ways they've tried to walk it back.

And the Ayatollah is correct: USA politics is imploding as we've seen with the GOP undercutting of Obama's foreign policy for 6 years .

part of the separation process at state
she probably e-faxed it to her personal email
gone now; she hit delete
 
Even if he did behave within the law (which I'm not knowledgeable enough about Florida state law to say), his handling of emails isn't terribly different from Clinton's.

Really? What Congressional investigation was Jeb Bush under and did he withhold emails subject to a Congressional subpoena?
 
And if McConnell keeps the Senate and Bibi doesn't lose next week, that would give us a war with Iran .

as if neocon hillary would not participate in a was against iran
 
Well, there is one aspect you didn't take into consideration when comparing the 2. Jeb Bush hasn't been embroiled in a congressional investigation, where his emails represent crutial evidence, where as Hillary's emails are... an investigation that began long before she left office.

What does one have to do with other? You're lame excuse is very telling. partisan hack
 
So Jeb's email problem has become a Hillary email thread--not blaming you.

The GOP Senate took their eyes off the Clinton email prize with the Cotton letter.
As you've seen with the lame ways they've tried to walk it back.

And the Ayatollah is correct: USA politics is imploding as we've seen with the GOP undercutting of Obama's foreign policy for 6 years .

jeb, unlike hillary, does not have an email problem
he was not subjected to the same archival requirements as she
 
as if neocon hillary would not participate in a was against iran

Being choosy about who to vote for gave the USA a 33% turnout in 2014--you saw the results.
Drive up the negatives and drive down voter participation--the oldest and most effective 'Nixon' card.

As we both saw with 1994, especially 2010 and 2014.
It's always the Dukakis/Horton slime machine 24/7--and GOPs getting butthurt when DEMs fire right back .
 
If Hillary and Jeb have private email accounts then it's likely that a lot of other elected officials do too. So perhaps there should be an investigation in congress to see how many members have private accounts and if they're complying with the law, too. It would be interesting to know what goes on behind some of those congressional committees...especially the ones that use their investigative powers for political revenge rather than truth seeking.

I agree with you here, Moot...though it would have to be an independent investigation. Otherwise, nobody would trust the results.

Oh...and don't limit it to Congress. Make it government-wide.
 
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