Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Excon said:

All you are saying is that you do not want to back up what you asserted.

Now if someone comes along and shows you that the law says it only carries only a possibility of life, then what?
Are you going to admit you were wrong?

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Alright Excon, I'll play your little game. " potential" of life". Well all of the several charges he is facing have that same "potential". Have a nice evening. Je-----sus.

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matchlight said:

This person's lawyer is well aware of how important intent--in particular specific intent--is in a case like this. And there are subtle ways to coach your client to say he was shooting at something else--a building, or whatever--and just happened to hit those two cops by accident. Attempted murder requires the same specific intent as murder--meaning the prosecution has to prove that when you acted, you not only intended the bad act, but that you also intended the result of that bad act. So if our Jeffrey only intended to fire a rifle recklessly, he could not be guilty of attempted murder. Obviously attempted murder of a police officer--in fact two of them--presents the biggest problem for his lawyer, and I think that explains how this fairy story of not meaning to hit them has come about.

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He's such a bad shot he hit two cops with both shots he took. Yeah, I can see a lawyer trying to sell that.

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calamity said:

He's such a bad shot he hit two cops with both shots he took. Yeah, I can see a lawyer trying to sell that.

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Has the gun he used in the incident been stolen? No word on that one, but the twenty year old did indeed use the gun. he wasn't from Ferguson but St Louis and anyone following this story knows how much that bears to this case.

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vesper said:

Doesn't matter. Every friggin charge against him carries a life sentence. He can claim anything he wants, but two officers were struck. One still has the bullet logged next to his ear and sounds like he has lost an eye and maybe the hearing out of the ear. You can believe whatever you wish. I find it rather unbelievable that he wasn't directing those shots directly at police.

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Oh, he's ****ed either way, especially since I think he already admitted to having fired the shots.

But it would be at the least interesting to know whether he was firing at the police in the first place, and if not, who he was trying to kill.

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The Mark said:

Oh, he's ****ed either way, especially since I think he already admitted to having fired the shots.

But it would be at the least interesting to know whether he was firing at the police in the first place, and if not, who he was trying to kill.

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I don't have any misgivings or concerns who Williams was aiming at. Cheers!

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vesper said:

Alright Excon, I'll play your little game. " potential" of life". Well all of the several charges he his facing have that same "potential". Have a nice evening. Je-----sus.

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:doh
I assure you, accuracy of information is not a game. Nor should it be for anybody.

All you had to do when asked is say yeah, it carries only a possibility of life, but you obviously did not believe that as it was not what you read.
And no, they do not all have the same potential.

Anyways, on with the accurate information.

Two counts of assault in the first degree. A class A felony.
Firing a weapon from a vehicle. A class B felony.
Three counts of armed criminal action.1[SUP]st[/SUP] offense - not less than 3 years; 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] offense - not less than 5 years; 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] offense - not less than 10 years.



What is funny is that people actually liked your post containing false information.
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Excon said:

:doh
I assure you, accuracy of information is not a game. Nor should it be for anybody.

All you had to do when asked is say yeah, it carries only a possibility of life, but you obviously did not believe that as it was not what you read.
And no, they do not all have the same potential.

Anyways, on with the accurate information.

Two counts of assault in the first degree. A class A felony.
Firing a weapon from a vehicle. A class B felony.
Three counts of armed criminal action.1[SUP]st[/SUP] offense - not less than 3 years; 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] offense - not less than 5 years; 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] offense - not less than 10 years.

Until December 31, 2016--Sentence of imprisonment, terms--conditional release.

558.011. 1. The authorized terms of imprisonment, including both prison and conditional release terms, are:

(1) For a class A felony, a term of years not less than ten years and not to exceed thirty years, or life imprisonment;

(2) For a class B felony, a term of years not less than five years and not to exceed fifteen years;​

[..]



Section: 558.0011 Until December 31, 2016--Sentence of imprisonment, terms--conditional release. RSMO 558.011​

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Alright Excon, that is not what was initially reported on some news sources. So what changes? Nothing. The guy is in deep sh*t guilty. And even according to your account carry a life sentence on multiple counts. I don't know why you have to dig and rip to make your minute point. Was it worth all the hemorrhoids it produces in the process? The guy is toast. And the fact that he was not from Ferguson is even more telling. And I do believe the two police officers shot were not directly members of the Ferguson police force.

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vesper said:

Alright Excon, that is not what was initially reported on some news sources. So what changes? Nothing. The guy is in deep sh*t guilty. And even according to your account carry a life sentence on multiple counts. I don't know why you have to dig and rip to make your minute point.

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Again; Accuracy is not a game.
You even did it again. It doesn't carry a life sentence, it carries the possibility of a life sentence.
There is a difference.
As we can see it can be as little as ten years.

vesper said:

Was it worth all the hemorrhoids it produces in the process?

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I have no idea, how many hemorrhoids to you get?


As for him being in deep ****? Of course he is. That is what happens when you unlawfully harm someone.
Did we really need to state the obvious?


And btw, that is what was reported in the video provided earlier.
It was how I was able to find out the specific laws he was charged with, and gave me the ability to look up the accompanying punishments.

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Excon said:

Again; Accuracy is not a game.
You even did it again. It doesn't carry a life sentence, it carries the possibility of a life sentence.
There is a difference.
As we can see it can be as little as ten years.



I have no idea, how many hemorrhoids to you get?


As for him being in deep ****? Of course he is. That is what happens when you unlawfully harm someone.
Did we really need to state the obvious?

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Well thank you the almighty Excon for reminding me to include the fu**** word "POTENTIAL" in my next post. And thank you for I believe I have truly met a true Richard Cranium.

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vesper said:

Well thank you the almighty Excon for reminding me to include the fu**** word "POTENTIAL" in my next post. And thank you for I believe I have truly met a true Richard Cranium.

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I've heard he's got hemorrhoids, too.

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vesper said:

Well thank you the almighty Excon for reminding me to include the fu**** word "POTENTIAL" in my next post. And thank you for I believe I have truly met a true Richard Cranium.

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You obviously have a problem with being corrected. That isn't my problem, but yours. To avoid such problems I would recommend that you provided accurate information from now on. It saves everybody a lot of time and trouble.

As for this Richard guy you met? It must have been when you were looking into a mirror. Which is also not my problem.

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Excon said:

You obviously have a problem with being corrected. That isn't my problem, but yours. To avoid such problems I would recommend that you provided accurate information from now on. It saves everybody a lot of time and trouble.

As for this Richard guy you met? It must have been when you were looking into a mirror. Which is also not my problem.

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NO Richard, I don't have a problem with correction when it isn't superfluous. Good Evening.

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X Factor said:

I didn't realize there was such a thing. My question is, why should anti cop douchebags get to expect anything from the cops?

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I think possibly the black citizens in ferguson don't want any cops period

Disproportionate # of speeding tickets is wrong, but it's nothing compared to the anarchy that would follow if cops stayed away from those areas. Wonder how long it'd take after the first uninvestigated B&E before they started to cry for more law enforcement...

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vesper said:

I don't have any misgivings or concerns who Williams was aiming at. Cheers!

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What? But isn't knowing that bit of info important?

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vesper said:

NO Richard, I don't have a problem with correction when it isn't superfluous. Good Evening.

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:doh
Still looking in the mirror I see.

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chromium said:

I think possibly the black citizens in ferguson don't want any cops period

Disproportionate # of speeding tickets is wrong, but it's nothing compared to the anarchy that would follow if cops stayed away from those areas. Wonder how long it'd take after the first uninvestigated B&E before they started to cry for more law enforcement...

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I couldn't agree more....But the truth of the matter is that they want the cops to protect them, but not bust them when they are the criminal....I was watching "Lockdown" last night, and on there was a convict in Cincinnati who, on his bio in the beginning read, "Doesn't believe in the concept of police".... what???? Are you kidding me?

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chromium said:

I think possibly the black citizens in ferguson don't want any cops period

Disproportionate # of speeding tickets is wrong, but it's nothing compared to the anarchy that would follow if cops stayed away from those areas. Wonder how long it'd take after the first uninvestigated B&E before they started to cry for more law enforcement...

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What?
Not when they are committing a disproportionate amount.

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The Mark said:

What? But isn't knowing that bit of info important?

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That's the shooter's claim. I find it unbelievable when both shots were just inches away from being deadly for both cops.

The shooter was on facebook. His page is currently inaccessible at this time but some folks did glean some telling tidbits.

Research Thread – Jeffrey L Williams and The Ferguson Protests… | The Last Refuge

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vesper said:

That's the shooter's claim. I find it unbelievable when both shots were just inches away from being deadly for both cops.

The shooter was on facebook. His page is currently inaccessible at this time but some folks did glean some telling tidbits.

Research Thread – Jeffrey L Williams and The Ferguson Protests… | The Last Refuge

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The "FTP" movement. Charming.

How come Eric Holder didn't give the country a report on them?

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The Mark said:

Oh, he's ****ed either way, especially since I think he already admitted to having fired the shots.

But it would be at the least interesting to know whether he was firing at the police in the first place, and if not, who he was trying to kill.

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He did admit it, and he claims he was aiming at someone in the crowd who he was having a "disagreement" with.

So now that we know this, does it make a difference? Does it make his story believable?

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tres borrachos said:

The "FTP" movement. Charming.

How come Eric Holder didn't give the country a report on them?

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Yep, and from one of his posts it appears he was engaged in the looting in Ferguson too.

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vesper said:

Those stats you claim I cherry picked came from the blog by the black author Kevin Jackson. His lastest book, Race Pimping; The multi trillion dollar business of Liberalism.
DOJ pulls a "Lois Lerner" on Ferguson | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net
He's not buying Holder's claims.
Here is an interview with a Sheriff Clarke, a black law enforcement officer and he isn't buying Holders report on Ferguson either.

Now if you want to accept Holder's report as the gospel that is your prerogative.

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The stats the guy pulled out are BS and it really doesn't matter if the author who did it is black or white. And there really is lots of ground between accepting it as Gospel and dismissing the entire thing because shoot the messenger. If someone believes part of the report is made up, point out which part and explain why they think it's made up or not relevant.

As to the sheriff that appeared on Fox, I have no reason to question his integrity or honesty, but a couple of points about what he said. First, he seems like a no BS kind of sheriff. Any bets that the SUPERVISORS under that guy don't feel comfortable sending "disgusting" (his word) racist emails along to their colleagues at work and if they do, they best prepare for a world class chewing out in that guy's office? I'm sorry, but when the tone from the top is casual racism is fine, that just does matter especially in a town, the people you are paid to SERVE, is majority black.

Second, the whole interview was no better than what right wingers are doing on this thread, which is some version of "We can all ignore the report and race issues in America because....HOLDER!!!" The sheriff says he thinks Holder believes ALL white cops are "stone cold racists." There's no evidence that's true and even IF true, not a defense of what is included in the report. It was a pretty disappointing interview to be honest. I'd bet the guy has good things to say on the subject but all he did express was a fairly transparent contempt for Holder. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but the problems with the black community and the FPD didn't start with Holder, so condemning him adds really nothing to the conversation.

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vesper said:

That's the shooter's claim. I find it unbelievable when both shots were just inches away from being deadly for both cops.

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Anything is possible, perhaps, but it does seem unbelievable that two missed shots would just coincidentally happen to hit cops. Would make him one of the unluckiest people on the planet.

Such a shame, too..... Poor guy might have tried to kill someone, missed, and then might get 'unfairly' prosecuted for trying to kill police. Booo hooo :roll:

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tres borrachos said:

He did admit it, and he claims he was aiming at someone in the crowd who he was having a "disagreement" with.

So now that we know this, does it make a difference? Does it make his story believable?

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Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

No. But that apparently doesn't matter to some people. There were only two expert shots to the head, aimed to kill or injure two officers, and I'd say the message was sent. It was not a "disagreement" with a third party, because the shooter was too accurate in his shots, IMO, and the "third party" would have suffered the same injuries as the policemen, if there were a "third party!" Let's dispense with the Bull****! It's not believable....

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polgara said:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

No. But that apparently doesn't matter to some people. There were only two expert shots to the head, aimed to kill or injure two officers, and I'd say the message was sent. It was not a "disagreement" with a third party, because the shooter was too accurate in his shots, IMO, and the "third party" would have suffered the same injuries as the policemen, if there were a "third party!" Let's dispense with the Bull****! It's not believable....

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The first reports I read apparently came from protesters who were there. They were saying that the shots came from 125 yards away with a pistol. If that was the case then the shooter was either the unluckiest person in the world who "accidentally" shot the cops or he was a better shot than anyone on the planet.

I saw the video and heard the shots. The gunman must have been pretty close. I'd guess he was no more than the other side of the street and was probably on a car. The idea that it was anything other than attempted murder is conspiracy fodder.