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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Grant said:
Despite the shootings of two police in Ferguson, and the death of two others in New York, Obama continues to run off at the mouth. The man is a fool.
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Michael Brown attacked a cop, struggled for his gun and got shot dead because of it. That should have been the end of the story. It was the race hustlers who pushed a completely different narrative, promoting lies and slogans, for personal gain.

Sad thing is watching people here who should know better falling for it.
 
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Now...to preface this, I know nothing about this incident other than that someone shot 2 police officers outside a Ferguson police station, during a protest/celebration which was taking place at least partially because of the DOJ announcement prior.

To me it sounds like someone used the crowd as cover so they could shoot police officers.
 
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solletica said:
The retaliation by a victimized minority will likely kick some sense into the civility-starved FPD, as well as the DOJ lawsuit.

Every once in awhile, bad cops need to be spanked.
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So you think the attempted murder of 2 cops is good?
 
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vesper said:
The DOJ's actions from day one in Ferguson helped fuel the riots and discontent.
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Then you have the money-grubbing ****stains like Extortionist Al stirring the pot.
 
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To the tune of let it go.

"Burn it down, Burn it down, let that Hellhole Fry! He we stand! AR15 and a Garand!"
 
Fiddytree said:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/13/us/ferguson-police.html?_r=0

Absolutely senseless violence.

Edit: Tried to edit thread title to "2" instead of "two" after NYT changed the headline. Not sure if it is going to be reflected by the forum yet, but it is appearing so on my edit screen.
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The result of the Race Pimps... Ho's (Holder, Obama, Sharpton)... professional community agitators in concert with the press who failed to report the truth about the officer who shot the thief and thug.

This blood and mayhem is on their hands. They are reaping the fruits of their labors.

I think they... The Ho's... can pat themselves on the back and say... Job well done.
 
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vesper said:
Goooooood Morning F&L

Well for starters, go back to the report in the way they worded covering the stops made on traffic violations. Sounds bad until you discover that the State of Missouri allows up to 30% of revenue from traffic tickets. Ferguson doesn't come close but currently several predominately black cities in Missouri who have black mayors are in violation of state law for over ticketing. The stats that really blow one away are that of Pine Lawn.....who has a black mayor/city council.

Pine Lawn Police Department

Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32

1.42% of population is White

27.5 % of the traffic stops are White

Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.

I looked up the distance between Pine Lawn and Ferguson Missouri, the distance is 4.7 miles.
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Well, that was a nice job cherry picking. In that town about 700 of 800 stops were on the Interstate, so the relevant population isn't the local population, but the percentage of white versus black drivers on the Interstate.

And even in this town where they supposedly target whites, the search/contraband hit rate/arrest rate rate is .96/25/1.32 (whites) and 3.79/14.96/6.42 (blacks). So the search rate was 4 times higher for blacks, the hit rate lower for blacks and the arrest rate about 4 times higher for blacks.

Bottom line is the kind of cherry picking you're doing is why it's illegitimate to use one statistical measure to determine if there's an issue. And that's probably why the report actually looked at dozens of variables, with almost all of them by any measure biased against blacks.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, that was a nice job cherry picking. In that town about 700 of 800 stops were on the Interstate, so the relevant population isn't the local population, but the percentage of white versus black drivers on the Interstate.

And even in this town where they supposedly target whites, the search/contraband hit rate/arrest rate rate is .96/25/1.32 (whites) and 3.79/14.96/6.42 (blacks). So the search rate was 4 times higher for blacks, the hit rate lower for blacks and the arrest rate about 4 times higher for blacks.

Bottom line is the kind of cherry picking you're doing is why it's illegitimate to use one statistical measure to determine if there's an issue. And that's probably why the report actually looked at dozens of variables, with almost all of them by any measure biased against blacks.
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Question to be asked is were the searches based on other criteria like expired plates, invalid driver's licenses, prior convictions, etc. Or were all those searches based solely on race?
 
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JasperL said:
Well, that was a nice job cherry picking. In that town about 700 of 800 stops were on the Interstate, so the relevant population isn't the local population, but the percentage of white versus black drivers on the Interstate.

And even in this town where they supposedly target whites, the search/contraband hit rate/arrest rate rate is .96/25/1.32 (whites) and 3.79/14.96/6.42 (blacks). So the search rate was 4 times higher for blacks, the hit rate lower for blacks and the arrest rate about 4 times higher for blacks.

Bottom line is the kind of cherry picking you're doing is why it's illegitimate to use one statistical measure to determine if there's an issue. And that's probably why the report actually looked at dozens of variables, with almost all of them by any measure biased against blacks.
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Those stats you claim I cherry picked came from the blog by the black author Kevin Jackson. His lastest book, Race Pimping; The multi trillion dollar business of Liberalism.
DOJ pulls a "Lois Lerner" on Ferguson | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net
He's not buying Holder's claims.
Here is an interview with a Sheriff Clarke, a black law enforcement officer and he isn't buying Holders report on Ferguson either.



Now if you want to accept Holder's report as the gospel that is your prerogative.
 
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An arrest has been made.

 
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Excon said:
An arrest has been made.

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Heard something on the radio news about "the public" providing info that led to this person's arrest.

To me that sounds like people who wanted to protest relatively peacefully turned him in, but I might be wrong.
 
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"A 20-year-old man has been arrested in connection with a shooting outside the headquarters of the Ferguson police department that injured two officers, St. Louis County police and prosecutors said today.

Jeffery Williams was arrested Saturday night and charged with two counts of first-degree assault, one count of firing a weapon from a vehicle and three counts of armed criminal action, said St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch. Williams was being held on $300,000 cash bond."

Man Charged in Ferguson Shooting That Injured 2 Police Officers - ABC News

Arrest Made in Connection With Shooting of Two Police Officers in Ferguson - NBC News

Arrest Made in Shooting of Two Ferguson Police Officers | Rolling Stone


- While the investigation is still on going, Williams has not had his day in court, his guilt to charges have yet to be determined, imo they probable got the right person.

- My comment here is probably more appropriate in the bias in media section, I find it interesting Williams race is not mentioned, yet they seem to have no problems stating the race of "white" LEO's when they shoot a minority person. IMO, leaving race out is appropriate, but should be done for all parties involved. Photos are all that is required. The reader can draw their own conclusion.
 
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mike2810 said:
- While the investigation is still on going, Williams has not had his day in court, his guilt to charges have yet to be determined, imo they probable got the right person.

- My comment here is probably more appropriate in the bias in media section, I find it interesting Williams race is not mentioned, yet they seem to have no problems stating the race of "white" LEO's when they shoot a minority person. IMO, leaving race out is appropriate, but should be done for all parties involved. Photos are all that is required. The reader can draw their own conclusion.
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Did they need to mention it when his picture is right there for all to see? :shrug:

While you point out his guilt has yet to be determined, he admitted to his involvement. So that is pretty much an irrelevant distinction.
 
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The Mark said:
Heard something on the radio news about "the public" providing info that led to this person's arrest.

To me that sounds like people who wanted to protest relatively peacefully turned him in, but I might be wrong.
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It could be because they knew he wasn't aiming at the Officers.
 
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Excon said:
Did they need to mention it when his picture is right there for all to see? :shrug:

While you point out his guilt has yet to be determined, he admitted to his involvement. So that is pretty much an irrelevant distinction.
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True , Williams admitted being the shooter. His reasons is to be determined. A news source states Williams was not targeting the LEO's. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. I am leaning towards his excuse is not going to hold up.

As far as the race. Some articles have photos. Some do not. The incident that started this whole mess in Ferguson the news had no problems with photos and narrative to bring out the race of the LEO and the person shot. Seems they are downplaying the "race" card. I actually think that is a good idea.
 
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The stuff is coming in on this Williams character who has admitted to shooting the two police officers. He is from St. Louis and was known as a "regular" protestor in Ferguson. He is also on probation for other criminal activity and during his probation was caught with stolen property. He failed to appear on his court date and evidently has missed the several months of reporting in with his probation officer. He is on social media posting the typical selfies with comments. I'm waiting to hear from Al Sharpton that the guy was struggling to turn his life around.
 
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vesper said:
The stuff is coming in on this Williams character who has admitted to shooting the two police officers. He is from St. Louis and was known as a "regular" protestor in Ferguson. He is also on probation for other criminal activity and during his probation was caught with stolen property. He failed to appear on his court date and evidently has missed the several months of reporting in with his probation officer. He is on social media posting the typical selfies with comments. I'm waiting to hear from Al Sharpton that the guy was struggling to turn his life around.
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There seems to be some question about whether he was actually trying to shoot the police officers, or if they were just in the line of fire.
 
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The Mark said:
There seems to be some question about whether he was actually trying to shoot the police officers, or if they were just in the line of fire.
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Doesn't matter. Every friggin charge against him carries a life sentence. He can claim anything he wants, but two officers were struck. One still has the bullet logged next to his ear and sounds like he has lost an eye and maybe the hearing out of the ear. You can believe whatever you wish. I find it rather unbelievable that he wasn't directing those shots directly at police.
 
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vesper said:
Every friggin charge against him carries a life sentence.
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Shouldn't that read; Carries the possibility of a life sentence?
 
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Excon said:
Shouldn't that read; Carries the possibility of a life sentence?
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Not from what I read Excon, if convicted, all counts carry a life sentence. If you have something else to disprove that, please post it.
 
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vesper said:
Not from what I read Excon, if convicted, all counts carry a life sentence. If you have something else to disprove that, please post it.
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I asked a question to your claim.
Your claim is the one that needs to be backed up with the law.

If you don't want to back up what you claim, just say so.
 
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Excon said:
I asked a question to your claim.
Your claim is the one that needs to be backed up with the law.

If you don't want to back up what you claim, just say so.
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I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you over this. The laws in the State of Missouri for everything violation this man has been charged with comes with a life sentence. Have a nice day.
 
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vesper said:
I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you over this. The laws in the State of Missouri for everything violation this man has been charged with comes with a life sentence. Have a nice day.
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All you are saying is that you do not want to back up what you asserted.

Now if someone comes along and shows you that the law says it only carries only a possibility of life, then what?
Are you going to admit you were wrong?
 
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This person's lawyer is well aware of how important intent--in particular specific intent--is in a case like this. And there are subtle ways to coach your client to say he was shooting at something else--a building, or whatever--and just happened to hit those two cops by accident. Attempted murder requires the same specific intent as murder--meaning the prosecution has to prove that when you acted, you not only intended the bad act, but that you also intended the result of that bad act. So if our Jeffrey only intended to fire a rifle recklessly, he could not be guilty of attempted murder. Obviously attempted murder of a police officer--in fact two of them--presents the biggest problem for his lawyer, and I think that explains how this fairy story of not meaning to hit them has come about.
 
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