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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Wow, you really need to learn to read for comprehension. I wasn't justifying anything, just showing you the inaccuracy of what you are posting. I don't think you really understand racism. It's just this kneejerk nebulous what the cool people say thing that has you so concerned.

Wrong. I actually read the JD's report. There's a trac record of constitutional violations, as well has habitual law breaking by the department. Read it for yourself, and if you have any decency at all, you'll be embarrassed that you've defended the department.
 
My good God.

You have zero understanding of this issue..

It isn't about Wilson...never was.

No wonder this **** never changes, you have reduced years of systemic corruption into a headline

This crap started over a cop shooting someone in self defense. And now...every time a cop shoots a black person...there will be a protest. Screw your systemic corruption. There is no moral high ground from a group that protests BASED ON SKIN COLOR.

I get it. Corruption is bad and racism exists. You don't seem to understand the issue that many people have. They see people protesting and shooting at cops who didn't do anything. The protestors burns a city down. There is no moral high ground there. We all know bad cops exists, but it isn't an excuse to destroy the livelihood of good hard working people. It doesn't matter how much "pent up rage" you have. That isn't an excuse.

You want one side to have the moral high ground? Stop shooting cops and burning **** down and stealing **** in the chaos. Do it through the legal system! Do it peacefully! Even civil disobedience is fine! But burning, stealing, and shooting isn't ok.

You have zero understanding as to why certain people are pissed off. They are pissed off because excuses are being made for pieces of ****. Because there is no real effort to reach across the "aisle." You want that to happen? Give up the scumbags that are destroying your moral high ground. Make it clear that criminal behavior won't be tolerated. Civilian or police. Not just the side you like better

Ps

If you think for one second I'm ok with corrupt cops you are wrong. I want the prosecuted. I want them dealt with. I want the justice system upheld. Not just half. I want color to be irrelevant. You do the crime you do the time. Black, white, or blue.
 
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Police officers are required to follow the law, and they are required to follow a code of ethics. That's just the facts, and I'm sorry that it bothers you that they're required to behave themselves and not be racist. As to the two officers shot, they had nothing to do with the racism that exists in the FPD.
You ever been to Ferguson? Ever witnessed the alleged racism?
 
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They "chose" not to prosecute because their fishing trip couldn't find anything. But they did manage to ruin the man's career in the process.

And I see you too failed to read the report, there's 105 pages documenting the fish they caught. Constitutional violations and laws broken. Why are you defending this ****?
 
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You ever been to Ferguson? Ever witnessed the alleged racism?

I read the ****ing report dude!!
 
This crap started over a cop shooting someone in self defense. And now...every time a cop shoots a black person...there will be a protest. Screw your systemic corruption. There is no moral high ground from a group that protests BASED ON SKIN COLOR.

I get it. Corruption is bad and racism exists. You don't seem to understand the issue that many people have. They see people protesting and shooting at cops who didn't do anything. The protestors burns a city down. There is no moral high ground there. We all know bad cops exists, but it isn't an excuse to destroy the livelihood of good hard working people. It doesn't matter how much "pent up rage" you have. That isn't an excuse.

You want one side to have the moral high ground? Stop shooting cops and burning **** down and stealing **** in the chaos. Do it through the legal system! Do it peacefully! Even civil disobedience is fine! But burning, stealing, and shooting isn't ok.

You have zero understanding as to why certain people are pissed off. They are pissed off because excuses are being made for pieces of ****. Because there is no real effort to reach across the "aisle." You want that to happen? Give up the scumbags that are destroying your moral high ground. Make it clear that criminal behavior won't be tolerated. Civilian or police. Not just the side you like better

Ps

If you think for one second I'm ok with corrupt cops you are wrong. I want the prosecuted. I want them dealt with. I want the justice system upheld. Not just half. I want color to be irrelevant. You do the crime you do the time. Black, white, or blue.



Wrong.

It was triggered by a cop shooting a kid, the cause goes back a lot further.

You haven't read the report, your opinion is meaningless
 
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What your question about a Professional activist? What is the definition of an activist. Now, lets think about that for about 30 seconds. Now what does one do when they become professional and travel from other states to Partake of the Festivities?



Since the protests erupted, people in Ferguson have insisted that the troublemakers are not from this community. Capt. Ron Johnson, the highway patrolman in charge of security here, said as much earlier this week.

"I am not going to let the criminals that have come out here from across this country and don't live in this community define this neighborhood and define what we're going to do to make it right," Johnson says.

In fact, of the 51 people who were arrested Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, only one person was from Ferguson. The rest were from surrounding towns and faraway cities such as Des Moines, Iowa, Chicago and New York.....snip~

Who Are The Protesters Getting Arrested In Ferguson? : NPR

Buddy, I really don't get your point on this. Any American that has read the JD's report should be infuriated. Whether they are residents of Ferguson or Boca Raton.
 
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The JD's report didn't "exhonerate" Mr. Wilson. It states that the justice department chose not to prosecute him.

Oh. Why was that? Why did they decide not to prosecute him? Did that have something to do with the lack of evidence? You are welcome to try and prove he was guilty.
 
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Wrong. I actually read the JD's report. There's a trac record of constitutional violations, as well has habitual law breaking by the department. Read it for yourself, and if you have any decency at all, you'll be embarrassed that you've defended the department.

The report and your reliance on it is a sham tactic on your part. Nor does it have anything to do with your misunderstanding of racism and racists in general. Last I looked we were discussing the shooting of two officers, most likely they were shot by, wait for it, racists. This report thing in this thread is only a weak way to justify to yourself the shooting of these officers.
 
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Oh. Why was that? Why did they decide not to prosecute him? Did that have something to do with the lack of evidence? You are welcome to try and prove he was guilty.

I didn't say he was guilty. I just said that the JD's report didn't exonerate him, nor did it find him innocent. It sought to do neither. And it was due to a lack of sufficient evidence.
 
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The case has been made that Eric Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. That would be a good place to start.

Do you have any evidence that that accusation has affected this report?

I might point out, that in the extensive coverage here, no mention is even made of Holder, the report was the product of professional legal experts from the outside. From reading it, their operational schematic and how they present is anything BUT biased.

Holder IS an asshole, but that has little, if anything to do with Ferguson where the problem started decades ago. It is localized, in bred and has NOTHING to do with the federal political scene.

It is a sociological and criminological nightmare. Period. And again, Americans on this one need to quit fighting the last election over again and start talking about ways to fix it; clearly there is more death and mayhem in the days ahead unless something sane is started now.
 
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And I see you too failed to read the report, there's 105 pages documenting the fish they caught. Constitutional violations and laws broken. Why are you defending this ****?
Because the report was comprised by the most corrupt Justice Department in a generation that's why. Holder will leave the Department of Justice littered with corrupted prosecutions and prosecutors, his own contempt of Congress, numerous Supreme Court reversals, and scathing rebukes from federal judges.

Instead of seeking justice, as he is constitutionally and ethically required to do, Holder has politicized the Department beyond recognition. Instead of enforcing the rule of law and following legal precedent, he has ignored and twisted the law to suit his president. And no one is holding Holder accountable.
 
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The report and your reliance on it is a sham tactic on your part. Nor does it have anything to do with your misunderstanding of racism and racists in general. Last I looked we were discussing the shooting of two officers, most likely they were shot by, wait for it, racists. This report thing in this thread is only a weak way to justify to yourself the shooting of these officers.

Is that all you've got. Would you kindly quote me justifying the shooting of these officers? We don't know who the shooter is, what his race, bias or politics are. That doesn't change the fact that it does nothing to advance the interests of the citizens of Ferguson. And, the two officers that were shot have nothing to do with the racism within the FPD as documented in the report that you won't even read and therefore leaves you arguing from a point of ignorance.
 
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Buddy, I really don't get your point on this. Any American that has read the JD's report should be infuriated. Whether they are residents of Ferguson or Boca Raton.

Yeah and the anger was directed at those in Ferguson.....and now they are taking their frustrations out on other cops. Who don't even live in Ferguson.

Also, they know the head of the Black Panthers was there and calling for violence if necessary as he put it. Which was when this all started up with Wilson.
 
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Because the report was comprised by the most corrupt Justice Department in a generation that's why. Holder will leave the Department of Justice littered with corrupted prosecutions and prosecutors, his own contempt of Congress, numerous Supreme Court reversals, and scathing rebukes from federal judges.

Instead of seeking justice, as he is constitutionally and ethically required to do, Holder has politicized the Department beyond recognition. Instead of enforcing the rule of law and following legal precedent, he has ignored and twisted the law to suit his president. And no one is holding Holder accountable.

Ok. Well if your not going to read the report, I have nothing further to say to you.
 
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Yeah and the anger was directed at those in Ferguson.....and now they are taking their frustrations out on other cops. Who don't even live in Ferguson.

Also, they know the head of the Black Panthers was there and calling for violence if necessary as he put it. Which was when this all started up with Wilson.

So maybe the Panthers have a provocateur out there.
 
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Is that all you've got. Would you kindly quote me justifying the shooting of these officers? We don't know who the shooter is, what his race, bias or politics are. That doesn't change the fact that it does nothing to advance the interests of the citizens of Ferguson. And, the two officers that were shot have nothing to do with the racism within the FPD as documented in the report that you won't even read and therefore leaves you arguing from a point of ignorance.

How would you know, you don't seem to read your own posts. Do you recall posting that officers will encounter no problem as long as they treat everyone with respect? Do I really have to go back and requote the nonsense you believe just because you don't grasp what you're saying here?

And if you're now saying (read YOUR post quoted above) the shooting of the officers had nothing to do with the racism supposedly documented in the report - then why the hell do you keep bringing up the report in this thread about the shooting of two officers?
 
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How would you know, you don't seem to read your own posts. Do you recall posting that officers will encounter no problem as long as they treat everyone with respect? Do I really have to go back and requote the nonsense you believe just because you don't grasp what you're saying here?

And if you're now saying (read YOUR post quoted above) the shooting of the officers had nothing to do with the racism supposedly documented in the report - then why the hell do you keep bringing up the report in this thread about the shooting of two officers?

I have not seen where this shooting had nothing to do with the corruption, not just racism documented in the report. I would be surprised, that without suspects, if anyone was ruling that out, especially since the corruption goes so deep and back so far. This started years ago, Wilson was the match to the powder keg
 
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Maybe you should read it.

No one is justifying the shooting of two policemen.

All should be looking to understand what the **** is going on, and that report will open yours, likely more than what you want. It is key to the riots of last summer, and good reason [not justification] why the shooting took place.

Living in a safe suburb or environment, no one can hope to understand this, it is alien to us. Read that report...all of it, it's findings and conclusions and then let's see if you still see this as just another racism allegation

I lived in St. Louis for three years while I was in law school. I had a girlfriend who lived in the next little town down the road from Ferguson. I drove quite a lot around greater St. Louis, and one of the apartments I lived in was in a neighborhood that was at least half black. I've had enough personal contact with small municipal governments, including their cops, to have a good feel for how they operate. I worked in an office here with a guy who had defended all sorts of police shooting cases for the L.A. City Attorney's office, and through him I met and talked with quite a few cops and had quite a few drinks with them. I know very well they're not all angels, just as I know small town government is often not a model of propriety.

I'm sure you can find cops all over the U.S. who don't much like blacks or don't like some other group. In some places, and Ferguson is probably one of them, the very fact much of the population is black means that most of the criminals--robbers, rapists, drug dealers, child-and-wife beaters, etc.--police have to deal with are black. It would be hard to keep a poor impression of blacks from creeping into your mind under those circumstances--I imagine a cop would have to keep reminding himself of how many nice, decent black people he also encountered in his daily routine.

It would not surprise me at all to learn that cops in a small town like that are not the best, or that they sometimes break the law themselves. Not every police force in the U.S., let alone in any other country, is superbly trained and efficient, nor has it ever been. But whatever misconduct this report documents, it does not seem to support prosecutions by the Justice Dept. for civil rights violations. I have very little faith in anything that comes out of Mr. Holder's Justice Dept., because I have no faith in him. He is a slimy leftist liar, just like the president he serves.
 
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It may be a segue to "community organizer" .

What do you mean, "professional activist". And have you interviewed all the protesters to find out just what their concerns are?
 
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I wouldnt blame the cops for not even going into those neighborhoods anymore. Leave the animals to themselves.

If you are White, or Prosperous, time to leave Ferguson.

They'll start shooting the press next. So the press will leave too.

When there is no one left but the out-of-town agitators, the thugs will only have the multi-generational Welfare sloths to loot, and they haven't got much, so the thugs will pull out...

Leaving.... What?

Ashes?

Destitute urban blacks who may get a welfare check, but there is no store in which to spend it, and smoldering ruins to take the household goods home to...


Good Job protecting the interests of Urban Blacks Democrats!

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So maybe the Panthers have a provocateur out there.

Well its clear Someone (who more than likely doesn't live in the town)..... was there being just that.

Did you watch the video.....hear the shots? Do you think a pistol was used with the range from wherein the police said came from a House which was behind whoever was getting the footage?
 
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I lived in St. Louis for three years while I was in law school. I had a girlfriend who lived in the next little town down the road from Ferguson. I drove quite a lot around greater St. Louis, and one of the apartments I lived in was in a neighborhood that was at least half black. I've had enough personal contact with small municipal governments, including their cops, to have a good feel for how they operate. I worked in an office here with a guy who had defended all sorts of police shooting cases for the L.A. City Attorney's office, and through him I met and talked with quite a few cops and had quite a few drinks with them. I know very well they're not all angels, just as I know small town government is often not a model of propriety.

I'm sure you can find cops all over the U.S. who don't much like blacks or don't like some other group. In some places, and Ferguson is probably one of them, the very fact much of the population is black means that most of the criminals--robbers, rapists, drug dealers, child-and-wife beaters, etc.--police have to deal with are black. It would be hard to keep a poor impression of blacks from creeping into your mind under those circumstances--I imagine a cop would have to keep reminding himself of how many nice, decent black people he also encountered in his daily routine.

It would not surprise me at all to learn that cops in a small town like that are not the best, or that they sometimes break the law themselves. Not every police force in the U.S., let alone in any other country, is superbly trained and efficient, nor has it ever been. But whatever misconduct this report documents, it does not seem to support prosecutions by the Justice Dept. for civil rights violations. I have very little faith in anything that comes out of Mr. Holder's Justice Dept., because I have no faith in him. He is a slimy leftist liar, just like the president he serves.



As a student of laws you should know that anecdotal evidence is not valid.

You have NOT read the report of the experts
 
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Well its clear Someone (who more than likely doesn't live in the town)..... was there being just that.

Did you watch the video.....hear the shots? Do you think a pistol was used with the range from wherein the police said came from a House which was behind whoever was getting the footage?

Yeah, it's poor footage. I heard somebody say it was coming from the hill???? Whatever that means.
 
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