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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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American I fully condem this violence but you just can't always shoot the messenger. I am not trying to attack you or be a race baiter but Holder did not pick up the guns and shoot. Do you really think either the racism in the report was purposely exaggerated or injected to incite violence?
American and Kal'stang don't believe in personal responsibility.
 
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Given who you're speaking to, that says a bunch about who the real pos is. A couple racist cops got shot, why are you not in a more jovial mood?
You are OK with LEOs being shot in the street? And you KNOW these men were racists? Wow.
 
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A State Administering Agency is the state, providing compliance documentation. My former statement stands with an addition: The DoJ does not monitor State and Local police agencies unless there is complaint OR a compliance issue.

And by the way, I never claimed the DoJ DIDN'T do more, I simply needed to verify they are not actively monitoring every state and local police department every hour of the day, which they are not. Again, thanks.
 
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I didn't realize there was such a thing. My question is, why should anti cop douchebags get to expect anything from the cops?

Cops are required to follow a code of ethics not dependent upon what citizens think or do. Are you against that?
 
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What about the purging the town of its racist elements.....and running out the Professional Protestors. Think that could help out to?

Sure. We'll get right on that as well.
 
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And we're back to blaming the cops, and with the clear support of someone who said earlier that it wasn't the cop's fault. Weird.

Cops get shot--blame cops. Crazy. Isn't it?
 
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So if Holder knows them all, he can demand that Ferguson get rid of them. Make them transfer to another PD. Then everything will be fine. No more racism in Ferguson from the cops I'm sure would result in far fewer blacks being arrested and also arrested with force. Because it's obvious that these things only happen because of these racist cops.

Holder does know who they are. And they should be fired! Not transferred to subject more citizens to their racism. And who said that rooting out the racism in the Ferguson police department will cure all that ails the world?
 
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A State Administering Agency is the state, providing compliance documentation.

No,

About SAA's | NCJA
State Administering Agencies (SAAs) are entities within state and territorial governments responsible for comprehensive criminal justice planning and policy development. In addition, these agencies allocate resources statewide and distribute, monitor and report on spending under the federal Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne JAG) program and, in most cases, other grant programs. As required by federal statute, the SAA is designated by the Governor, or in the case of territories and the District of Columbia, the head of the executive branch of government. In total, there are 56 Edward Byrne JAG SAAs across the 50 states, five territories and the District of Columbia. - See more at: About SAA's | NCJA

My former statement stands with an addition: The DoJ does not monitor State and Local police agencies unless there is complaint OR a compliance issue.

And by the way, I never claimed the DoJ DIDN'T do more, I simply needed to verify they are not actively monitoring every state and local police department every hour of the day, which they are not. Again, thanks.

Wrong. The documentation that the SAA's produced are not just tossed in the trash. They are sent to the DoJ which reviews them to ensure the entities (including local PD's) that receive fed money are in compliance with laws prohibiting discrimination.
 
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Sure. We'll get right on that as well.

Especially with the Professional Protestors.....easy to discover they don't live there, huh?
 
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Well that's true.....I just thought most people can tell the difference in color uniforms.

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I still don't get your point. There's simply no excuse for this act of violence, regardless of the uniform colors. It doesn't solve anything, and the two cops that were shot, most likely aren't even among the racist elements in the FPD.
 
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BS. At this point just being white makes the cop a "racist" thanks to the campaign out of this administration that has encouraged race baiting.
Were the two cops just standing outside, one shot in the face the other his shoulder, have a giant Red R on their forehead that identified them as a racist? Then the mob attacked the cops that tried to go to their aid. What a bunch of *&*&& animals.

Sorry. If you're not a racist, and you treat everybody with respect when you engage them, regardless of their race, you have no worries. There's no special campaign against white cops, and your mischaracterizing the JD's report! Did you read the e-mails that were sent by some cops? Is that the scum that you want on the police force?
 
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I didn't realize there was such a thing. My question is, why should anti cop douchebags get to expect anything from the cops?




I'll jump in here.


"anti-cop douche bags" should get the same service and treatment as "pro-cop douchebags" from cops. It's their ****ing job.
 
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No,

Wrong. The documentation that the SAA's produced are not just tossed in the trash. They are sent to the DoJ which reviews them to ensure the entities (including local PD's) that receive fed money are in compliance with laws prohibiting discrimination.

The DoJ doesn't monitor every State and Local police department ever hour of the day. That's the point and it's correct.
 
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I don't recall anyone saying that racists should be retained on forces. Or sexists. Or Catholic haters. Or Muslim haters. Or cops who indiscriminately shoot stray dogs. Or cops who trade sex for letting hookers off.

But if the problems in Ferguson are tied to these racist cops, then it's incumbent upon the DOJ to remove them from Ferguson so the problems that they cause will go away. And presumably the problems that they cause will go away. That's what happens when you remove the root cause from anything.

Very good. Then I see no issue.
 
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I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.

Who said they were all from the same person, hmm? And I know you haven't read the JD's report, or you'd be aware of all the other misconduct as well.
 
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Oh please. Come down from the excessive politically correct pedestal already.

Right, so not being a racist is being politically correct.
 
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Sorry. If you're not a racist, and you treat everybody with respect when you engage them, regardless of their race, you have no worries. There's no special campaign against white cops, and your mischaracterizing the JD's report! Did you read the e-mails that were sent by some cops? Is that the scum that you want on the police force?

Bull****. You think the shooter(s) stopped to get to know the officers before shooting?
 
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Yes, you're right. So remove all these KKK wannabes, and the problem is solved in Ferguson. What is Holder waiting for?

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that silliness, it's not going to make any sense at some point. Clearly, you haven't read the JD's report either, otherwise you'd know that it doesn't conclude that racism in the FPD is the problem for all that ails Ferguson.
 
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And we're back to blaming the cops, and with the clear support of someone who said earlier that it wasn't the cop's fault. Weird.

You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
 
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Nobodies teaching anybody that cops are enemies. Holders report concludes that there are some problems in law enforcement, that there are some bad actors in law enforcement, and that it needs to be dealt with.

Seven e-mails from the JD's report.

November 2008: An e-mail said President Obama would not be president for very long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”

March 2010: An e-mail mocked African Americans through a story involving child support. One line from the e-mail read: “I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment! Month after month, year after year, all dose payments!”

April 2011: An e-mail depicted Obama as a chimpanzee.

May 2011: An e-mail said: “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from. The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.’”

June 2011: An e-mail described a man seeking to obtain “welfare” for his dogs because they are “mixed in color, unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and have no frigging clue who their Daddies are.”

October 2011: An e-mail included a photo of a group of bare-chested women dancing, seemingly in Africa, with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion.”

December 2011: An e-mail included jokes that are based on offensive stereotypes about Muslims.


Are thoughts now crimes in this country? If the entire Ferguson police department had been making jokes and cracks like those all the time, that would not show that any member of it ever broke any law in his treatment any black resident of Ferguson. Some officers there may feel many of those people are not worthy of their personal respect--and I would not blame them--but that does not mean those officers did not do their job properly.
 
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7 emails dating back 4 years and more isn't indicative of much. I assumed there was something more than that?

Trivialize the racist e-mails all you want. You're also not factoring in how many people these filthy e-mails were sent to who had themselves a good laugh as well, and failed to report them. The racism problem in the FPD is bigger than the tip you see. Read the JD's report, instead of speaking from ignorance and appearing to be a racist yourself!
 
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The DoJ is not responsible for a communities "atmosphere". However, they do have a responsibility for monitoring police depts, particularly those with a history of racial discrimination.

But you keep on pretending that the report was nothing but a compilation of statistics if it helps you maintain plausible deniability about the racist practices of the Ferguson PD

Department of Justice report on the Ferguson, Mo. Police Department - The Washington Post

I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are racial issues within the Ferguson police department but anecdotal evidence of racism is probably the worst indicator, especially when the investigation focuses on how the police department abuses minorities. The possibility exists that the police department abuses everyone and minority anecdotes are used in the report because the desired outcome of the report was that the department was racist. I have never been to Ferguson and I'm not making claims about them one way or another, I do believe that the Justice Department is racist under Holder and I wouldn't put anything past them.
 
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