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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Man, if these people bothered to get freaking jobs they wouldn't be out all night causing trouble in the street.
 
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First they announced that Wilson was off the hook, which probably pissed off some people. Then they immediate announced the report results of systematic racism in the police department...............that was irresponsible. He should have known the risk of doing that.

So they shouldn't have announced Wilson off the hook or investigated a possible corrupt police department and then when they found it was in fact corrupt, just sweep it under the rug? Did you read the report and do you agree with how the police department operated?
 
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You're just deflecting from the blatant hypocrisy we're seeing in this thread. Blaming Holder for this is ludicrous. These shooters were murderers all on their own. Funny that the conservatives in this thread want to focus on Holder instead of the shooters. Just another excuse for the standard partisan nonsense.

I see ... I haven't been blaming Holder for everything though he certainly hasn't helped much in the race arena. I see you are now moving away from the moronic comparison with Giffords which was my point that not all situations are the same and forming different opinions based on different situations is reasonable. I can't help how you formed your opinion of hypocrisy but not all people base their opinions solely on ideology and defense of their political views. Sometimes people will go against the grain if it's the right thing to do or say --- you call that hypocrisy, I call it being reasonable.
 
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You to are conflating the demonstration with the attempted murder of a peace officer. The protesters did not shoot at the cops...a person or persons did.

The Ferguson Police are investigating and seeking a person or persons involved....not a protest.

edit: ...Not Holder not race baiters. Remember personal responsibility? The person on persons that shot the police officers is responsible.

Hmmm.....without the protest, the people, or the emotions, the cops would not have been shot.

Groupthink is never a good thing.
 
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Then be specific. What words of Holders specifically led to this incident?

No, I will show my point and not discuss your moving the goal lines. Not all situations, shootings, incidents are the same and therefore must be judged on their own merits, not a blanket ideological spew. Get it?
 
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You're just deflecting from the blatant hypocrisy we're seeing in this thread. Blaming Holder for this is ludicrous. These shooters were murderers all on their own. Funny that the conservatives in this thread want to focus on Holder instead of the shooters. Just another excuse for the standard partisan nonsense.

Neat. I didn't blame Holder for this.

I know you think I'm a partisan and a crazy conservative, and you constantly follow me around the board calling me a right winger and a partisan and a conservative and Fox News watcher and all that, even imagining posts I made a year before I ever joined here. I'm an animal rights activist, pro-SSM, pro-choice, non-religious moderate, which anyone who actually reads my posts knows, meaning that I'm not the right wing nut you fantasize that I am. You have the wrong target in your crosshairs. And it's boring.
 
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So they shouldn't have announced Wilson off the hook or investigated a possible corrupt police department and then when they found it was in fact corrupt, just sweep it under the rug? Did you read the report and do you agree with how the police department operated?

So you're purposely misunderstanding my post? I said the timing was the issue.
 
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While I don't blame Holder for this crime, he certainly hasn't done anything productive or beneficial regarding the social climate around Ferguson.
 
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Neat. I didn't blame Holder for this.

I know you think I'm a partisan and a crazy conservative, and you constantly follow me around the board calling me a right winger and a partisan and a conservative and Fox News watcher and all that, even imagining posts I made a year before I ever joined here. I'm an animal rights activist, pro-SSM, pro-choice, non-religious moderate, which anyone who actually reads my posts knows, meaning that I'm not the right wing nut you fantasize that I am. You have the wrong target in your crosshairs. And it's boring.

Why are you defending against these things, and from HIM of all people? He's a leftwinger, he's going to hate those things no matter what. I wouldn't give him the satisfaction.
 
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How indeed...

And the real tragedy?

I read through this and see a debate about who is the greater racist, and few if any words of sorrow. This whole ****ing story just makes me sad. How many lives lost? How many lives ruined? How many careers destroyed?

To me, these are not police, they are legalized thugs. In reading the report itself, not the biased reporting in the US media I see shame, this has been festering for decades, with cover ups and armed suppression of eye witnesses, videos and on and on.

Who's to blame?

Everyone.

Now, if I may, I need to take a second shower and think about how the deaths of people in the US are secondary to wining arguments



Looks like Town Officials are resigning. Including those that weren't accused of racism.

Yet we have a cop shot in the face from another town and a County Sherriff......who wears a different colored Uniform than those of Ferguson. Protests going on at 2am in the morning.

Even people out using a barbecue.


How much do you think Sharpton and the Press should take the Blame.....with the racist Cops, and most especially.....Eric Holder.
 
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While I don't blame Holder for this crime, he certainly hasn't done anything productive or beneficial regarding the social climate around Ferguson.

A galactic understatement, but you're entitled to your opinion. He's a race baiting hack, who was looking for Wilson to be the smoking gun from the start.
 
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Who? The cops, right?



I was going to say you were in the wrong thread, this actually isn't a cop bashing thread, until you blamed it on...well...cops.

Now it makes complete sense.




I'll also add to my post #135

The officers showed great restraint not simply firing back into the crowd. I know what it's like to be shot at and not able to return volley, it's no fun let me assure you.
 
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Reminds me of Ft Apache, The Bronx.
I say cut the cops loose to clean out the scum. Arm them up with whatever they need then take a flame thrower to the town.

Mornin Crue. :2wave: They didn't have Squads parked around the building and a line of Cops all gunned up surrounding the Building with the Bronx either.

Did you hear the shots? How far was the house from the police station? The one the Police thought the shots came from? Would that be pistol range?
 
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7 emails dating back 4 years and more isn't indicative of much. I assumed there was something more than that?

from the report
Our review of documents revealed many additional email communications that exhibited racial
or ethnic bias, as well as other forms of bias.
Our investigation has not revealed any indication
that any officer or court clerk engaged in these communications was ever disciplined. Nor did
we see a single instance in which a police or court recipient of such an email asked that the
sender refrain from sending such emails, or any indication that these emails were reported as
inappropriate. Instead, the emails were usually forwarded along to others.49
 
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And yet the Justice Department's report of the Ferguson Police department seems to say something different.
From what has come out of the Attorney General's mouth over the past 6 years has done much to inflame race relations. So pardon me if I think a report that he oversaw may not paint an accurate picture.
 
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You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.

What? Do you work for Holder the BO Bot
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Looks like Town Officials are resigning. Including those that weren't accused of racism.

Yet we have a cop shot in the face from another town and a County Sherriff......who wears a different colored Uniform than those of Ferguson. Protests going on at 2am in the morning.

Even people out using a barbecue.


How much do you think Sharpton and the Press should take the Blame.....with the racist Cops, and most especially.....Eric Holder.

How much do you think the NRA should take the blame? This is, after all, what they have defended guns with for years--people rising up against government.
 
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You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.

Given who you're speaking to, that says a bunch about who the real pos is. A couple racist cops got shot, why are you not in a more jovial mood?
 
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How much do you think the NRA should take the blame? This is, after all, what they have defended guns with for years--people rising up against government.



You would have to show this gun was a legal purchase and that laws the NRA backed allowed such a person to get such a weapon.
 
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Man, if these people bothered to get freaking jobs they wouldn't be out all night causing trouble in the street.

No way man.....we got the grill going and we be crowing. Its 2am donchaknow!
 
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And Holder is to blame because he exposed them for what the police force did wrong in that town?

The white (and to some extent also the black) police officers act like a bunch of KKK wannabee cops and an investigation proves the racist nature of that police force and then this is all Holder's fault?

Sorry, but the investigation into the shooting of Brown cleared the officer so that toxic situation was solved by Holder. But Holder cannot be to blame for the fact that the police there is racist.

If there is a toxic situation it is one for blacks in that community due to some idiot cops.

Example, a 32 year old African American man who just played a game of basketball is sitting in his car cooling down from the game that he and friends played in a public park in Ferguson. Then a cop car pulls up behind the man blocking his car. He demands the man's social security number and identification. Without any cause or reason the officer accuses the 32 year old of being a pedophile (because there happen to be kids in the park) and orders the man out of his car for a pat-down (even though there was no evidence to suggest the 32 year old was armed). The officer asks to search the car, the man who knows his constitutional right objected, with the result that he was arrested. This arrest, reportedly, took place at gunpoint. The man was charged with 8 violations of Ferguson's municipal code's.

One of those charges is "making a false declaration" by stating that his name was Mike rather than Michael and giving his current address rather than his old address which was on his drivers license. He also got a ticket for not having his seat belt on when he was sitting in a parking spot with no car on. The man was also charged with having an expired operators license as well as having no operators license. The charges caused African American male to loose his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had been holding down for years.

other example:

March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers “Why do you need to know?” and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest.

other example:

In 2013, FPD stopped a man running with a shopping cart because he seemed “suspicious.” According to the file, the man was “obviously mentally handicapped.” Officers took the man to the ground and attempted to arrest him for Failure to Comply after he refused to submit to a pat-down. In the officers’ view, the man resisted arrest by pulling his arms away. The officers drive-stunned him in the side of the neck. They charged him only with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest. In August 2011, officers used an ECW device against a man with diabetes who bit an EMT’s hand without breaking the skin. The man had been having seizures when he did not comply with officer commands.

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

This is what caused the problems and the toxic atmosphere. The behavior of the police in that town is the reason for the problems, not the report or Holder.

And we're back to blaming the cops, and with the clear support of someone who said earlier that it wasn't the cop's fault. Weird.
 
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How much do you think the NRA should take the blame? This is, after all, what they have defended guns with for years--people rising up against government.

Mornin Declan. :2wave: Did the NRA get out and speak on Race Relations with this issue over Ferguson?

My thought with the NRA.....is they would be playing for both sides. Backing Law Enforcement and Peoples Constitutional Right. Just sayin.
 
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Does Eric Holder have an alibi?
 
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