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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

These Senators were wrong and have harmed the standing and trustworthiness of any US deal, by any US President.

On the contrary - they have demonstrated the weakness of any US President who thinks that he can make major lasting deals unilaterally; and they did it simply by describing reality :).
 
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It was not a one way street.

:shrug: true enough. It seems Democrats are now shocked to discover that Senators, too, have pens, and probably even phones.
 
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He's the President. The higher office always carries the greater obligation for leadership and a good example.

Avoiding the point made.
It works both ways.
 
On the contrary - they have demonstrated the weakness of any US President who thinks that he can make major lasting deals unilaterally; and they did it simply by describing reality :).

On the contrary, they have harmed the office of the president.
 
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Avoiding the point made.
It works both ways.

It does indeed work both ways, but one side has a greater obligation to rise above. He did not, and the result is plain to see.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

:shrug: true enough. It seems Democrats are now shocked to discover that Senators, too, have pens, and probably even phones.

Note, 47 have no foresight. What is you opinion on Cottons so called Bill to imprison relatives?
These Senators were wrong and have harmed the standing and trustworthiness of any US deal, by any US President.
Cotton, the new guy is a freaking wackjob.
Opinion on the below is also requested.

For Tom Cotton, letter to Iran is anything but a ‘fiasco’ - The Washington Post
While in the House in 2013, Cotton introduced an amendment to prosecute the relatives of those who violated sanctions on Iran, saying that his proposed penalties of up to 20 years in prison would “include a spouse and any relative to the third degree,” including “parents, children, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, grandparents, great grandparents, grandkids, great grandkids.” Forget about the fact that the Constitution expressly prohibits “corruption of blood” penalties — just consider that Cotton wanted to take someone who had violated sanctions and imprison their grandchildren. Needless to say, this deranged piece of legislation was too much even for Republicans to stomach, and it went nowhere.
 
On the contrary, they have harmed the office of the president.

If it harms the office of this President to accurately describe his Constitutional powers, then he must be attempting to reach beyond them :)
 
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It does indeed work both ways, but one side has a greater obligation to rise above. He did not, and the result is plain to see.

OK, blame Obama, all his fault.
Really lame.
 
If it harms the office of this President to accurately describe his Constitutional powers, then he must be attempting to reach beyond them :)

Ya think they do not know what his powers are.
It did harm the office. This is down to pure partisan crap.
And they looked to all the world as fools while doing so.
 
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OK, blame Obama, all his fault.
Really lame.

No. Not all his fault, but more his fault than anyone else's. I actually agree with you up to a point.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Note, 47 have no foresight. What is you opinion on Cottons so called Bill to imprison relatives?
These Senators were wrong and have harmed the standing and trustworthiness of any US deal, by any US President.
Cotton, the new guy is a freaking wackjob.
Opinion on the below is also requested.

For Tom Cotton, letter to Iran is anything but a ‘fiasco’ - The Washington Post

I don't know about "harming" the office of the presidency. It's a very odd action that was taken, and certainly harms credibility and standing for the US in general. First the humiliation of the congress bringing in Netanyahu to prove a point to the executive, and now this ****. I'm surprised really, but suppose I shouldn't be, that it's worth this to so many here to get a poke at Obama.
 
Ya think they do not know what his powers are.

Not only that, I suspect they are capable of saying so properly. :)

It did harm the office.

:shrug: If it harmed the administration, then it harmed them precisely to the degree that they were attempting to work beyond their Constitutional Authority.
 
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Aren't you the Author of the Thread " The Right should just give up on the Hillary Bashing " thread ??

No I am not the OP of that thread but did comment there....since it bears merit but since the GOP is desperate can hardly be expected to stop the witch hunts and fishing expeditions etc.........all GOP candidates are double digits behind Hillary and none have her credentials....so mud throwing is all ya got....although they are very talented and experienced mud throwers....LOL
 
Ya think they do not know what his powers are.
It did harm the office. This is down to pure partisan crap.
And they looked to all the world as fools while doing so.

Yes, and they're our fools, Americans, willing to bring shame and embarrassment, to score political points.
 
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So I debunk the popular vote AND the electoral vote rubbish with......pardon the "F" word I know it's not too popular in right wing circles but......FACTS! LOL

Methinks you're now discovering the truth in President John Adams statement: " Facts are stubborn things."

LOL!!

You didn't debunk anything. You simply trotted out some facts and spun them to fit your narrative.
 
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No I am not the OP of that thread but did comment there....since it bears merit but since the GOP is desperate can hardly be expected to stop the witch hunts and fishing expeditions etc.........all GOP candidates are double digits behind Hillary and none have her credentials....so mud throwing is all ya got....although they are very talented and experienced mud throwers....LOL

The New York Times is the " GOP " ??? Lol ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/politics/no-classified-emails-by-clinton-some-experts-are-skeptical.html?_r=0

Yea, we see what her credentials are. Lies, lies, obfuscation and more lies....

Typical Democrat candidate. No surprise there.
 
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LOL!!

You didn't debunk anything. You simply trotted out some facts and spun them to fit your narrative.

You're half right . I did indeed "trot out" some facts ...and they completely obliterated your empty argument. ( in part because they don't "fit your narrative".....but also because, as we all know , reality has a well known liberal bias. )
 
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I would say it's a problem except that the agreement is still being hammered out. It's an active negotiation between Iran and 6 other countries.
Do you believe that Iran would live up to any agreement? I don't.
 
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You're half right . I did indeed "trot out" some facts ...and they completely obliterated your empty argument. ( in part because they don't "fit your narrative".....but also because, as we all know , reality has a well known liberal bias. )

Wow...you are quite practiced in liberal-talking-point-regurgitation. I tip my hat to you.

Now...how about you actually use your brain and think for yourself? I guarantee you'll "feel" better if you do.
 
If it harms the office of this President to accurately describe his Constitutional powers, then he must be attempting to reach beyond them :)

Greetings, cpwill. :2wave:

:agree: Not only the Congress, but when the Supreme Court voted unanimously that he was over-reaching his Constitutional powers, and considering four of them are from his own party, then it must be that only he himself is harming the office he holds! Checks and balances are there for a good reason! :shock:
 
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Do you believe that Iran would live up to any agreement? I don't.

Then just bomb the **** out of them and be done with it.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
nuff said.

LOL !! Your'e Progressive amateur nonsense is so easy to debunk...

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002




"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm


Hey, please keep posting OK. I'm literally begging you to continue parroting this Progressive nonsense you equate to intelligent discussion. There's no better way than to expose the fallacies of the Progressive agenda than to keep one of it's members talking.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

LOL !! Your'e Progressive amateur nonsense is so easy to debunk...

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002




"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm


Hey, please keep posting OK. I'm literally begging you to continue parroting this Progressive nonsense you equate to intelligent discussion. There's no better way than to expose the fallacies of the Progressive agenda than to keep one of it's members talking.


Here's a little help: U.S. Officials Guilty of War Crimes for Using 9/11 As a False Justification for the Iraq War Washington's Blog
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

I'm mentioned multiple times that the Senate advises and consents on foreign policy. If you're going to just quote segments of a long going conversation to argue against some extreme position I didn't take then don't respond.

Except the Administration has decided not to allow the Senate to advise or consent on the deal with Iran. Which is why this letter was timely and proper. :) If the White House wanted Senators to wait until the agreement was at the Advise and Consent phase, then they shouldn't have declared that there would be no such phase.

Republican Congress members visited as well on "fact finding" missions (as per the article). There's also a large difference...in that the Democratic Congress wasn't actively trying to undermine the Bush administration.

Wait - what? That is absolutely what they were trying to do, in Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

The "foul" here was that Bush wanted no engagement with Syria yet Republican Congressmembers were visiting.

As did....REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DURING THAT SAME TIME! Read your own article.

Republican Congressmen didn't take photo ops with Assad, assure him that he would be protected, declare him a reformer, and then announce that Peace Runs Through Damascus.

However, if you want to say that any participation by a Republican invalidates the fact that Democrat leadership were absolutely interfering in the Bush Administration's foreign policy, meet the democrat senator opposing the Obama administration on Iran


The Legislature inserting itself into foreign policy in opposition to the President has a long history, and much like the filibuster, opinions on its' efficacy swing almost 100% when one is in or out of power.
 
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