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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

clownboy said:
It seems to be easy for him. His strategy? Give in, give them whatever they want.
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For his legacy you think or something else?
 
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clownboy said:
It seems to be easy for him. His strategy? Give in, give them whatever they want.
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You've read the agreement have you?
 
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Mycroft said:
That reply by Iran's Foreign Minister reinforces his ignorance of US law...even AFTER being given information about it from our Congressmen. Frankly, I don't see how Obama can possibly conduct serious negotiations with such ill-informed and close-minded people.
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the opposition to the letter from the left is interesting...

Was it not Mr. "I have a pen"? who cancelled the Keystone pipeline?

Mr. Zarif is NOT America's friend. HE is not on your side, these are people who hold grudges for a long, long time. They have a death sentence issued against Canada's ambassador Ken Taylor who smuggled Americans out of Tehran 34 years ago....they do not forget the smallest slight.

Based on the Grubers fear and trembling over this piece of paper issuing a 'warning' to the US, I would say another four years of Democrats will mean the shots will be called in Tehran not DC, as the whole lot of them are frightened over a ****ing letter....."we can't kill them all......run!"
 
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Fearandloathing said:
So you say it was 'stupid" because Iran complained

Hmmm...seems to me, that since Iran is one of Canada's only enemies, having them object to being warned is a good thing and for my country I thhank them.

Does this mean that the foreign policy you defend and support is one of appeasement? That when a nation says "we are building nukes so stuff it" you simply say "OK"?

Sorry, that is not a foreign policy, that is stupidity appearing like an Obama strategy
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First of all, Iran has never claimed to be building nukes....but they might've said "stuff it" after being accused of making them without any proof. Secondly, if the goal is to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon then making an unilateral agreement that provides oversight is much better than just using military force....which could have the opposite effect and cause Iran to build a nuke for defense and defeat the entire point of trying to prevent them building a nuke in the first place.

The GOP schizophrenic foreign policy is as irresponsible as it is stupid. It's so simple a caveman could do it.
 
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Moot said:
First of all, Iran has never claimed to be building nukes....but they might've said "stuff it" after being accused of making them without any proof. Secondly, if the goal is to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon then making an unilateral agreement that provides oversight is much better than just using military force....which could have the opposite effect and cause Iran to build a nuke for defense and defeat the entire point of trying to prevent them building a nuke in the first place.

The GOP schizophrenic foreign policy is as irresponsible as it is stupid. It's so simple a caveman could do it.
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And you believe them....


:lamo



Now I have to ask, if they are NOT building nukes and only building a reactor out of the mist unstable technology available, then why is Obama even negotiating?

They're building nukes...MY government is certain of it.....and I believe Ottawa over "you can keep your plan...."
 
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I fully expect to see a similar statement being made by Obama in the near future.

"We, the German führer and chancellor, and the British prime minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognising that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.

"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German naval agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe. My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British prime minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time ... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."
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Mycroft said:
That reply by Iran's Foreign Minister reinforces his ignorance of US law...even AFTER being given information about it from our Congressmen. Frankly, I don't see how Obama can possibly conduct serious negotiations with such ill-informed and close-minded people.
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The Iran minister is right....domestic US policy has no standing in international law. Nor does the agreement depend on the US to succeed because its a unilateral agreement that includes some of our closet allies and trading partners: UK, France, Germany, Greece, Turkey, China, Russia....

How's it going to look to the world and our allies if Iran adheres to the terms of the agreement but the US renegs on it's part?
 
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Moot said:
First of all, Iran has never claimed to be building nukes....but they might've said "stuff it" after being accused of making them without any proof. Secondly, if the goal is to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon then making an unilateral agreement that provides oversight is much better than just using military force....which could have the opposite effect and cause Iran to build a nuke for defense and defeat the entire point of trying to prevent them building a nuke in the first place.

The GOP schizophrenic foreign policy is as irresponsible as it is stupid. It's so simple a caveman could do it.
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wow

do you really think they will tell the world

"hey you all....we building nukes....what ya gonna do about it?"

are you really this naive?

do you understand what happens if they do achieve their goal, and somehow end up as a nuclear power?

do you think the middle east could ever be the same? Africa? The Baltic states?

It would literally change Iran from a nuisance power into a major player in the world

Yeah...that is what we want......omg for chrissakes.....:roll:
 
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Moot said:
The Iran minister is right....domestic US policy has no standing in international law. Nor does the agreement depend on the US to succeed because its a unilateral agreement that includes some of our closet allies and trading partners: UK, France, Germany, Greece, Turkey, China, Russia....

How's it going to look to the world and our allies if Iran adheres to the terms of the agreement but the US renegs on it's part?
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Constitutionally, it isn't an agreement that our country is bound by if it's not ratified by Congress. THAT is the information that the Senators wanted to make clear to Iran. Their response makes it clear they just don't get it.
 
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Something I just found --

"Hold on, everyone! Just hold on! And feel free to stand down.

Turns out it was, like that one episode of Three's Company, just a simple misunderstanding.

The letter was a JOKE! And Obama is too dumb to get it. A joke.

“The administration has no sense of humor when it comes to how weakly they have been handling these negotiations,” said a top GOP Senate aide.


Get it? A joke. Indeed, it was intended to be "cheeky." And "lighthearted."

ROFL kind of funny, I guess.

"Republican aides were taken aback by the response to what what they thought was a lighthearted attempt to signal to Iran and the public that Congress should have a role in the ongoing nuclear discussions. Two GOP aides separately described their letter as a “cheeky” reminder of the congressional branch’s prerogatives. "




As you were. " -DoLoop
 
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Fearandloathing said:
And you believe them....


:lamo



Now I have to ask, if they are NOT building nukes and only building a reactor out of the mist unstable technology available, then why is Obama even negotiating?

They're building nukes...MY government is certain of it.....and I believe Ottawa over "you can keep your plan...."
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I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
 
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Mycroft said:
Constitutionally, it isn't an agreement that our country is bound by if it's not ratified by Congress. THAT is the information that the Senators wanted to make clear to Iran. Their response makes it clear they just don't get it.
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Somehow I don't think agreements made under international law are protected by the constitution anyway. The ratification and consent process isn't necessary for other country leaders to sign a binding agreement and it isn't for ours, either. If you look at a list of agreements and treaties over the years you will see that many of them were never ratified by the US congress....but they are still binding agreements at the international level.

That's what the Iran minister meant when he said..."the world is not the United States."
 
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gdgyva said:
wow

do you really think they will tell the world

"hey you all....we building nukes....what ya gonna do about it?"

are you really this naive?

do you understand what happens if they do achieve their goal, and somehow end up as a nuclear power?

do you think the middle east could ever be the same? Africa? The Baltic states?

It would literally change Iran from a nuisance power into a major player in the world

Yeah...that is what we want......omg for chrissakes.....:roll:
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OMG, ack...the nukes is comin, the nukes is comin.....nevermind there's zero evidence they exist.... but hey if you're that afraid perhaps I can make you a good deal on a bomb shelter. :lamo

:monkey
 
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Moot said:
I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
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What a surprise!


Of course you would....can't have any new thoughts enter that head!
 
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Moot said:
I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
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Funny thing about that...

The statements you reference (at least, I think you are referencing them...correct me if I'm wrong) were made in 2011 and 2012...3-4 years ago. And, as you point out, those statements don't refer to whether Iran wants to build a bomb or not. In any case, their actions since they supposedly stopped their nuclear activities in 2003 are directly applicable to the production of nuclear weapons...including delivery systems. It doesn't take much of a leap of imagination to figure out their intentions.

Who you choose to believe is, of course, your prerogative. Me? I'll choose not to believe a word Iran says.
 
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Moot said:
I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
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i assume you mean meir dagan when you speak of mossad?

and his comments regarding netanyahu.........

since he has been out of mossad since 2010, and he is trying to position himself into a new leadership in Israel, maybe his comments can be taken with a grain of salt

but go ahead and throw all your eggs into the same basket
 
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Moot said:
I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
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Why wouldnt Iran develop a nuke if they could?
 
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Moot said:
OMG, ack...the nukes is comin, the nukes is comin.....nevermind there's zero evidence they exist.... but hey if you're that afraid perhaps I can make you a good deal on a bomb shelter. :lamo

:monkey
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such drivel really doesnt even deserve a response

but i never said they HAD them.....

but i do know they want them, and what that would do to that area of the world
 
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Moot said:
Somehow I don't think agreements made under international law are protected by the constitution anyway. The ratification and consent process isn't necessary for other country leaders to sign a binding agreement and it isn't for ours, either. If you look at a list of agreements and treaties over the years you will see that many of them were never ratified by the US congress....but they are still binding agreements at the international level.

That's what the Iran minister meant when he said..."the world is not the United States."
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International Treaties and Agreements - International Law

and

Validity and Application Of Treaties - International Treaties and Agreements - International Law

International law doesn't trump our treaty process.

A "binding agreement" is, in fact, a treaty.

A treaty is an official, express written agreement that states use to legally bind themselves.
Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Now...Obama may enter into a "non-binding agreement", but that is not governed by international law.

The existence of a large number of such non-binding documents led the International Law Commission, when developing the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, to consider whether or not such documents should be included within its definition of "treaty" . The Commission decided against their inclusion by incorporating in its definition the requirement that an international agreement must be "governed by 'international law" in order to be a treaty . That this was the Commission's intention is confirmed by legislative history of the article . See Report of the International Law Commission to the General Assembly (1959 2 Y .B. Int. Law Comm . 96-97 (1959).
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65728.pdf
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Previous non-binding agreements that are still in effect are not so because of any consideration for international law, but because it is still in our interests to abide by them.

If, in fact, your assessment of what the Iranian Minister meant with the phrase he used is correct, that only means he really doesn't understand the realities about the US Constitution, treaties or international law. As I said before, I don't see how Obama can conduct a serious negotiation with such an ignorant partner. Instead of castigating the Senators for their informative letter to Iran, he should be thanking them for attempting to make his job easier.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
You could be working for the Peoples Republic of North Korea with that ability to weave imaginary propaganda. But I do admire the fact that, unlike others, you still hold your Obama doll close to the chest when you turn out the lights each night.
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Oh, cram it.

Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration

I love how simple acknowledgement of facts makes me an Obama fan, which I am not.
 
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Mycroft said:
Most??

In 2008, Obama garnered 52.93% of the popular vote. In 2012 it was 51.01%. I don't think anyone would consider those numbers as constituting "most".
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While I'm fully aware that conservatives struggle with math, when exactly did more than 50% NOT equal "most" ?!

Obama also happens to be the first president since 1956 to win the popular vote TWICE.

I'm also aware that many conservatives are "book averse" so you can look it up at this link:

Final Tally Shows Obama First Since

'nuff said.
 
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Fletch said:
Why wouldnt Iran develop a nuke if they could?
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Because the Ayatollah forbids it....


TEHRAN — Iran’s supreme leader said Saturday that his country was not seeking nuclear weapons but added that if Iran ever decided to build them, no “global power” could stop it.

The supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose 2005 edict banning nuclear weapons is regarded as binding in Iran, told a group of visitors to his home in Tehran, the capital, that his country favored the worldwide elimination of nuclear weapons.

“We believe that nuclear weapons must be eliminated,” Ayatollah Khamenei said. “We don’t want to build atomic weapons. But if we didn’t believe so and intended to possess nuclear weapons, no power could stop us.” His comments were posted on his Web site, Khamenei.ir.

American officials say they believe that Ayatollah Khamenei exercises full control over Iran’s nuclear program. On Thursday, he rejected direct talks with the United States while it was “pointing a gun at Iran”; on Saturday he elaborated on the issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/w...-says-iran-not-seeking-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0​
 
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Kobie said:
Oh, cram it.

Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration

I love how simple acknowledgement of facts makes me an Obama fan, which I am not.
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Lol - who knew that political parties meet and discuss how they can win back power after losing an election or how they can thwart the legislative agenda of the other party. I'm sure Harry Reid met with his decimated caucus last November and planned out a strategy of prostration at the alter of Republican policy initiatives.

The funny part is that the Obama acolytes think it's personal and people hate Obama or that they're racists because they oppose his and the Democrat agenda. That's what outs you as a fan boy.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Lol - who knew that political parties meet and discuss how they can win back power after losing an election or how they can thwart the legislative agenda of the other party. I'm sure Harry Reid met with his decimated caucus last November and planned out a strategy of prostration at the alter of Republican policy initiatives.

The funny part is that the Obama acolytes think it's personal and people hate Obama or that they're racists because they oppose his and the Democrat agenda. That's what outs you as a fan boy.
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And the conservative victimization begins. Please point to where I (an "Obama acolyte," in your phenomenally stupid words) said a thing about race.

Don't bother responding to me unless you have something to say that isn't your usual "DURRR OBAMA FANBOY" horse****.
 
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