Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Moot said:

Well, if our allies decide to abide by the agreement and ignore US sanctions then your point would be irrelevant. Just because you missed the point doesn't make it a deflection

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Now thatsa deflection. Truth hurts, eh?

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Moot said:

What is that supposed to prove...that your opinions are indefensible and based on a false premise? :roll:

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Thrilla said:

yes, it was a deflection, you know damned well what i was talking about.. try to be honest for once.

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you say i pledge allegiance to another country and that is "truth" to you?...seriously?

that explain alot.

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A day after releasing a letter that potentially threatened the administration’s negotiations with Iran, some Republicans who signed on are realizing it was a bad call.

Behind the scenes, Republicans are wondering if sending an open letter to Iran’s leaders was the best strategy to keep a bad nuclear deal from being negotiated.

Earlier this week, 47 Republican senators signed a letter warning the Iranian government that many of them would remain in office long after President Barack Obama’s second term was over, meaning any deal reached between the U.S. and Iran could be easily reversed by the next president.

But even among Republicans whose offices have signed the letter, there is some trepidation that the Iran letter injects partisanship into the Iran negotiations, shifting the narrative from the content of the deal to whether Republicans are unfairly trying to undercut the president.

“Before the letter, the national conversation was about Netanyahu’s speech and how Obama’s negotiations with Iran are leading to a terrible deal that could ultimately harm U.S. national security. Now, the Obama administration and its Capitol Hill partisans are cynically trying to push the conversation away from policy, and towards a deeply political pie fight over presidential and congressional prerogatives,” said a Senate Republican aide whose boss signed the letter.

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jmotivator said:

It's a remark on your ludicrous "pledging allegiance" remark. The Republican letter was written because these Senators think that Obama is being far too easy on a rogue state and refusing his constitutional duty to seek advice and consent from the Senate. This isn't pledging allegiance to Iran.

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Moot said:

Calling the president a king....really, is that your idea of honesty? What century did you say you were from?

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Or maybe you take yourself too seriously, Thrilla. That would explain a lot, too.

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Moot said:

Current polls suggest there are lots of conservatives that want that war mongering liar, Netanyahu...or the murderering dictator, Putin... to be their leader instead Obama....so what makes you so different?

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Thrilla said:

we're all allowed to throw bull**** rhetoric around are we not?... at least my comment was about Obama, I could do what you did and attack you personally.

yeah, as a Retired marine , i do take some things pretty seriously... lying about me pledging allegiance to another country is one of those things.... of course, that's probably why you levied this personal attack, knowing i would get bent out of shape... .that's what trolls do.

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Moot said:

Current polls suggest there are lots of conservatives that want that war mongering liar, Netanyahu...or the murderering dictator, Putin... to be their leader instead Obama....so what makes you so different?

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While Vladimir Putin is wildly unpopular in the United States, most Americans see him as a stronger leader than President Obama, according to a YouGov/Economist survey.

Only 12 percent of poll respondents have a very favorable or somewhat favorable opinion of Putin, and nearly 70 percent see him somewhat unfavorably or very unfavorably. Yet, 78 percent consider him as either somewhat strong or very strong.

Obama has a significantly higher favorability rating than Putin (47 percent), but just 45 percent of Americans see him as very strong or somewhat strong. And 55 percent believe the opposite.

Despite this overall perception of Obama as relatively weak compared to Putin, 42 percent of those polled believe that the U.S. president uses “too much power” and 45 percent say he has “exceeded the limits of authority granted” by the Constitution.

Poll: Putin Seen as Stronger Leader Than Obama | RealClearPolitics

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Grant said:

When other ME countries such Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates agree with Netanyahu how does that make him a 'warmonger'? Do you really understand the meaning of the word?

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Mycroft said:

I was quite amazed at this statement and, at first, I simply dismissed it as the ravings of a lefty. But, being a fair-minded person, I decided to do a little research. This is what I found.

There WAS a poll.



However, since the poll says something entirely different than the outrageous blather you spewed, it seems that my first inclination was accurate. Your post is hereby dismissed as the ravings of a lefty.


btw, I didn't do similar research on Netanyahu, so I suppose your ravings might not extend to him. But, unless you provide your own research to prove your point, I'll include him in with your idiocy about Putin.

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beefheart said:

Republicans Admit: That Iran Letter Was a Dumb Idea - The Daily Beast

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Moot said:

Actually the poll supports what I said....so thanks for proving my point....now go get me a cup of coffee.

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beefheart said:

Republicans Admit: That Iran Letter Was a Dumb Idea - The Daily Beast

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However, while some on the Republican side are now rethinking the wisdom of sending a letter, none of the 47 Republican signatories are recanting their support for it or signaling an intent to do so.

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Mycroft said:

The poll says nothing about anyone wanting Putin to be their leader instead of Obama...in fact, Putin received quite unfavorable ratings from Americans.


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Moot said:

It doesn't seem to matter who it is just as long as it's a foreign leader with dictator like qualities and favors pre-emptive war...

"... Don't you wish we had Benjamin Netanyahu as president, instead of Obama? I took a sampling among my friends- all smart, educated business owners. Men of substance. Every one of them said if they had a choice, they'd choose Bibi over Obama for president…of the United States....."

Bibi for President!


"Can we get like Netanyahu, or like Putin in for 48 hours, you know, head of the United States?” - Kimberly Guilfoyle, Fox News cohost.


Conservatives Go Gaga For Bibi As They Trip Over Themselves Praising Netanyahu's Speech

"...There is some division among Republicans who cannot quite decide if they want to fight Vladimir Putin or fornicate with the Russian, but one thing is clear; conservatives think he is a “real leader” and lust for a Republican president like Putin...."

Republicans Have Found Their Dream Leader and His Name Is Vladimir Putin



"I wish that Bibi was our President." - Ann Coulter​

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Moot said:

It doesn't seem to matter who it is just as long as it's a foreign leader with dictator like qualities and favors pre-emptive war...

"... Don't you wish we had Benjamin Netanyahu as president, instead of Obama? I took a sampling among my friends- all smart, educated business owners. Men of substance. Every one of them said if they had a choice, they'd choose Bibi over Obama for president…of the United States....."

Bibi for President!


"Can we get like Netanyahu, or like Putin in for 48 hours, you know, head of the United States?” - Kimberly Guilfoyle, Fox News cohost.


Conservatives Go Gaga For Bibi As They Trip Over Themselves Praising Netanyahu's Speech

"...There is some division among Republicans who cannot quite decide if they want to fight Vladimir Putin or fornicate with the Russian, but one thing is clear; conservatives think he is a “real leader” and lust for a Republican president like Putin...."

Republicans Have Found Their Dream Leader and His Name Is Vladimir Putin



"I wish that Bibi was our President." - Ann Coulter​

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Thrilla said:

I agree... but there's one wrinkle.

the Obama administration has already declared, before the election, he would be bypassing congress on not only the deal, but the sanctions as well.
the Senate wants to play their part in this deal...they've simply been refused.

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donsutherland1 said:

Had the Senate informed the President that it would still play its role rather than sending a letter to a hostile state, I don't think that would have been unreasonable. Afterward, if an agreement is reached and the Senate chose to carry out a vote, again that would be entirely reasonable and not inconsistent with its role vis-a-vis such agreements. That's not what was done and it does not promote an environment conducive to diplomatic efforts.

To what specific terms are the Senators objecting? None. No such terms exist, because there is no agreement right now. Had an agreement been reached and had the Senate found it defective, then that would be the appropriate time for the Senate to act. Moreover, the Senate could well express its position i.e., by a sense of the Senate resolution or other legislation even if the President did not submit the agreement to the Senate for its consideration.

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CanadaJohn said:

Gee, imagine admiring the strength and determination of a leader of a US ally. Oh, the shame. I wonder how many admired Churchill during Roosevelt's Presidency.

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Mycroft said:

Face it...

Obama could have avoided all this conflict he's generated since the last election if he had only faced reality instead of deciding to work against the wishes of Congress from the get-go. I think it's already been said in this thread, but "you reap what you sow".

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Kobie said:

The Senate has essentially stated that any agreement, no matter what it is, will be deemed unacceptable. It is a clear attempt to undermine the president, no matter the outcome.

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Kobie said:

The Republicans could have avoided it, too, if they hadn't decided from day one they were going to screw this guy like no president has been screwed before.

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donsutherland1 said:

And in the long-run, it sets a bad precedent.

At the same time, it also says much about the leadership capacity (or lack thereof) of the Senator who initiated the letter. He was being positioned as a leader. The letter, because it shows little or no understanding/regard for the foreign policy process of the U.S. and implications of damaging it, signals to me that the Senator is anything but a leader. Leaders understand the big picture. They are aware of the consequences of their choices or actions. They understand the importance of timing. The only thing we saw is that the first-term Senator built support among some of his colleagues, albeit not bipartisan support, which is not exactly a big accomplishment in the contemporary partisan atmosphere. But when it comes to the ends of such leadership and its consequences, he fell far short. In short, his displayed a serious leadership deficit and I don't think lack of experience is a big factor, as the issues involved were not policy specific but rather general attributes of leadership.

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