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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?

I didn't see another thread like this when I posted. Perhaps the mods could merge the two if they're similar. Thanks.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?
Indeed.

My read of the negotiations is that Obama is desperate for a foreign policy win for his legacy. We can see this with Cuba and other, where he's failed pretty much on all of them.

Check me if I'm wrong, but there's a long and strong history of bargaining, negotiation in the Bazaar in Persia. Being such, those negotiation skills are probably very sharp and well honed, unlike Obama's negotiating skills, as we've seen.

When those skills and cultural background are presented with a desperate Obama negotiating, it's perceived as a sign of weakness, a sign of the easily exploited.

Sure, the Iranians would like to have a deal where they are allowed nuclear arms and nuclear fuel refinement (precursor to nuclear weapon). Short of that, any delay in further economic sanctions being imposed or the lifting of existing economic sanctions in order to afford their covert nuclear refinement program is a win for them. They aren't losing anything in this process, they have only wins.

It also come to question whether they will actually adhere and honor their commitments in the future. So far they've not. They've missed every deadline, delayed every sequence of steps, and haven't complied with the UN inspectors. So Obama sees fit to trust them?

The GOP Senators, with their letter to Iranian leadership, are expressing their distrust of both the Iranian leadership and Obama.

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?

Nope. But I'm sure that Obama, in his narcissistic arrogance that's displayed from the beginning, finds this severely offensive. I'd hazard a guess that he sees this as little more than racist in it's motivation, where it's nothing of the sort. It's not racist. It's a distinct lack of trust in Obama that the GOP have. Obama has done nothing to earn any trust from the GOP, as all they get from him is a right cross instead of a hand shake. Obama's been spoiling for fighting with congress and the GOP from his very first day in office.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

Maybe thats because even Obama has said that we wont know what is in the agreement until it has already been made. Yay transparency
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

Thats a good point. 'Obama' gave us a piece of **** healthcare law that is so bad even HE wont fully administer it and that was so convoluted the democrats (and their mindless muppets) voted for it and supported it without so much as bothering to read it. People liek...say...YOU are smart enough to understand that Iran has PROVEN they cant be trusted and the president is telling us not to worry about it...they will pass something and then let the American people know what it is after the fact.

So yeah...pardon me for not trusting them...or him. And considering their foreign policy history and the nightmare that the ME became after Obama's support of the celebrated 'Arab Spring' and their stupidity over that little 'JV" team known as ISIS, you will again have to forgive us for being a bit apprehensive.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.

your trust in him is irrelevant.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

Based on the White House's own statements, nobody will until its agreed.

Mark Knoller: "WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification."

So the Republicans are correct, it will be a deal between the current Executive branch and Iran, to be terminated at the descresion of future Executive branch leaders.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.

Republicans don't trust Obama...but they don't trust any Democratic President.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

Yep. The extremists in the GOP and their friends in the conservative entertainment media will never pass up the chance to throw red meat to their foaming at the mouths base. And their base eats it up every single time. But as I pointed out earlier as long as the extremists in the GOP and the conservative entertainment media keeps the base agitated all the time, and about every issue, that prohibits the GOP from being a serious political party anymore.

The GOP has become like the boy who cried wolf. About every single issue.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Maybe thats because even Obama has said that we wont know what is in the agreement until it has already been made. Yay transparency

It's an agreement, it requires negotiation. You don't walk into the meeting dropping an agreement saying "this or nothing". That's an ultimatum.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Thats a good point. 'Obama' gave us a piece of **** healthcare law that is so bad even HE wont fully administer it and that was so convoluted the democrats (and their mindless muppets) voted for it and supported it without so much as bothering to read it. People liek...say...YOU are smart enough to understand that Iran has PROVEN they cant be trusted and the president is telling us not to worry about it...they will pass something and then let the American people know what it is after the fact.

So yeah...pardon me for not trusting them...or him. And considering their foreign policy history and the nightmare that the ME became after Obama's support of the celebrated 'Arab Spring' and their stupidity over that little 'JV" team known as ISIS, you will again have to forgive us for being a bit apprehensive.

Do we really have to go over the disasters of Republican administrations...from Iran Contra to the war in Iraq....the Republican party has been horrendous in foreign policy and the majority of Obama's Mid East problems are a result of those mistakes.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?

Yep, Obama thinks "advice and consent" really means only rubber stamp consent to his "mandate" and that the law of the land is merely a guideline to be amended by "prosecutorial discretion" into what he wishes it to be.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Maybe thats because even Obama has said that we wont know what is in the agreement until it has already been made. Yay transparency

That is usually how agreements are made. Until the hand-shake is done...everything is on the tabe.

Obama has never rejected the leadership of Congress to meet with him and structure a position. Never Have I heard either Boehner or McConnell say they requested to meet with the President on this issue and were denied.

Congress cares so much about this agreement that they are sunning themselves at Spring Break at the moment. Don't you wish they even cared as much as you???

Debt limit is reached March 16th. Who cares. Bashing Obama is fun and Congress is out to lunch.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Thats a good point. 'Obama' gave us a piece of **** healthcare law that is so bad even HE wont fully administer it and that was so convoluted the democrats (and their mindless muppets) voted for it and supported it without so much as bothering to read it. People liek...say...YOU are smart enough to understand that Iran has PROVEN they cant be trusted and the president is telling us not to worry about it...they will pass something and then let the American people know what it is after the fact.

So yeah...pardon me for not trusting them...or him. And considering their foreign policy history and the nightmare that the ME became after Obama's support of the celebrated 'Arab Spring' and their stupidity over that little 'JV" team known as ISIS, you will again have to forgive us for being a bit apprehensive.

I have no trust in Republicans...not only do they lie but they try and re-write history

"Remember, it was Congress that helped bring Iran to the table by putting sanctions in place, actually against — against — the wishes of the administration. Congress was right then and Congress and the American people need to be a part of this discussion, too. That's why I'm acting to place this bipartisan bill on the legislative calendar ... Congress must be involved in reviewing and voting on an agreement reached between this White House and Iran, and this bill would ensure that that happens."

Mitch McConnell with a blatant lie...it was the Obama administration in 2012 that went around getting support for sanctions against Iran. It was Republicans that were talking red-line and military options.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

It's an agreement, it requires negotiation. You don't walk into the meeting dropping an agreement saying "this or nothing". That's an ultimatum.

Yep, that is way different than Obama saying "reform" the immigration law so that it will match my enforcement plan, meanwhile I will just pretend that you did. ;)
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Yep, Obama thinks "advice and consent" really means only rubber stamp consent to his "mandate" and that the law of the land is merely a guideline to be amended by "prosecutorial discretion" into what he wishes it to be.

There is no advise and consent requirement on this agreement. President Obama is not appointing anyone to a position nor is he drafting a treaty.

Congress does not even have to worry their pretty little heads.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?

I will admit that I only heard about this situation for the first time yesterday, so I don't know the full scope of the situation at this point, but if in fact 47 Republican Congresspeople wrote a letter and supported a measure to warn Iran to not work with Obama, then yes there is a problem. I'm going to try to tread lightly here, however, because I don't know the full story at this point. I felt the need to respond to this, however, because I know it's fun to pretend that every Democrat/liberal/socialist/progressive supports everything that Obama has ever done, but that is 100% false. I voted for him both times, I don't regret that, but I also definitely do not support everything that he has done. There are plenty of actions that he has taken that I believe are not helpful to this country.

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?

I'm just curious. Do you believe that Republicans have gone above and beyond, throughout Obama's entire presidency, to try to work with him? Do you believe that the only reason why there is friction within his presidency is because he alone is refusing to be bipartisan? There haven't been any situations at all where Republicans have purposefully shown evidence of being 100% partisan and purposefully refusing to work with him to come to an agreement on an issue?

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.

See, I don't agree with this statement. I believe that he has bothered to earn trust but that people very heavily against him ever having won the Presidency have never tried to accept it. I get it. This country is extraordinarily partisan in nature these days, but I feel the need to call bull**** on the claim that Obama has never tried to work with Republicans and gain trust within this country. I digress, however, seeing as though this post is about this letter that was written.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

There is no advise and consent requirement on this agreement. President Obama is not appointing anyone to a position nor is he drafting a treaty.

Congress does not even have to worry their pretty little heads.

Which means Republicans are correct that its an agreement that can be terminated at anytime.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Yep, that is way different than Obama saying "reform" the immigration law so that it will match my enforcement plan, meanwhile I will just pretend that you did. ;)

Uhh...I see to remember an immigration reform bill passing the Senate and not allowed on the floor to be voted on in the House....and based on all the talk and up or down vote would of meant passage of the bill.

Obstructionism has consequences. Republicans are reaping what they sow.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

There was just another post similar to this posted.

I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?

So you accept this precedent then? If a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader you'll be perfectly happy if a Democrat-controlled congress writes that leader to say, "Oh, hey, by the way, no matter what you guys arrive at we're not going to ratify it because our president doesn't have the authority to negotiate with you...wacka wacka!"
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?

well, I dunno... but I can say with confidence that I am thoroughly entertained by all of this.

as for my opinion on it all.. well, i think the GOP is throwing shots across Obamas bow because he's pretty much left them with little choice but to do so.
in Obama's defense, the GOP hasn't been very.. accommodating.
in the GOP's defense, Obama hasn't been very.. .accommodating...either.
I don't particularly agree with what any of them are doing .. but the common rules of engagement are off the table, and it's entertaining as all hell.

hopefully all of this bull**** will lead people way from the two major parties, but that's a pipe dream... people will still condone the behavior of their side, castigate the behavior of the other, and vote as they always have.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

So you accept this precedent then? If a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader you'll be perfectly happy if a Democrat-controlled congress writes that leader to say, "Oh, hey, by the way, no matter what you guys arrive at we're not going to ratify it because our president doesn't have the authority to negotiate with you...wacka wacka!"

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