Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

iliveonramen said:

Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

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Montecresto said:

IOW, you believe Netanyahu's lie that the deal being negotiated by the P5+1 paves the way to Iranian nuclear weapons?!?!

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ProgressivPower said:

For most law abiding Americans, Obama "earned" their trust TWICE: Once in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

From day one the GOP has moved in fascistic-style goose step fashion to obstruct any initiatives taken by this duly elected President -and the people and nation be damned! The GOP has indeed long ago now transgressed mere civility or respect for the office: starting with the outrageously improper shouting out of "You Lie!" while a president addresses congress , a countless litany of cheap personal attacks; repeatedly shutting down the government of the United States and playing chicken with the nation's "good faith and credit"....to now the unprecedented invitation to a foreign leader to criticize the president's foreign policy on the floor of the House AND, even more despicably sending an open letter to a foreign government designed to undermine the president's constitutional right to practice diplomacy......can you imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had done such a thing to a Republican president?!

What ever happened to "Politics stops at the waters edge." ????

For well over fifty years now the GOP has consistently been on the wrong side of history: wrong about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Minimum Wage, GI Bill, Unemployment , Civil Rights (voter suppression etc.) , Women's Rights, LGBT Rights, Healthcare, etc. ad nauseam....their behavior during the Obama Administration adds yet another tawdry, embarrassingly unpatriotic chapter to their already soiled legacy ....."Party of Lincoln", indeed. History will not look fondly upon their destructive, border-line treasonous behavior.

These Republicans are indeed a disgrace to the federal government which they so, ironically, despise.....and have engaged in a deliberate attempt to undermine sensitive diplomatic negotiations with very high stakes: some , including myself would indeed call it treason....and that is precisely what the GOP would call it were the shoe on the other foot.
Over the past six plus years now, the GOP has wrought far more destruction to this nation than Bin Laden, himself, could have ever imagined possible.

If Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or even Ike could see today's Republican Party, they would never stop vomiting.

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Kushinator said:

If the guy shat jobs out of his ass, you and your crew would still complain that the pay stinks. There is nothing this President can or could do that would garner bipartisan support.

Why?

Because he won... twice.

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gdgyva said:

right now, i dont trust Obama at all.....many are just like me

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gdgyva said:

well.....

lets see

first we had obamacare.....we had to pass it to find out what was in it

recently we had the fcc ruling on the internet.....again so secretive....no one allowed to know anything about it

do you understand the word "trust?"

right now, i dont trust Obama at all.....many are just like me

he has made his mistakes with Israel...and now he is possibly giving its biggest enemy nukes?

pardon us if we arent just quiet, and asking for more.....

there are so many things i dont like about this president.....but probably tops on my list

"my administration will be the most transparent in the history of the office" or something very similar to that

really.....transparent? and now you just expect us to shut up and let him negotiate?

really? are you that freaking naive?

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iliveonramen said:

So an agreement with the intent of stopping Iran from gaining nuclear weapons assists and encourages them in gaining nuclear weapons? This may become a security council resolution with all major world powers agreeing to it.


As for Executive agreements...George W Bush was going to use an Executive Agreement to commit US troops to Iraq long term, Executive agreements have been used to commit us to the protection of nations (Eisenhower and Spain)...which means of course if attacked we go to war on their behalf.

Executive agreements have a long history of being used for some major foreign policy decisions.

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CanadaJohn said:

Gee, imagine admiring the strength and determination of a leader of a US ally. Oh, the shame. I wonder how many admired Churchill during Roosevelt's Presidency.

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iliveonramen said:

Yeah...was talking about the deal with Iran. Granted...non-binding vs binding isn't exactly clear because it may become a legally binding Security Council Resolution...but, it's a non-binding agreement.

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Mycroft said:

LOL!! Now THAT was funny!!

Heck, if Obama shat jobs out of his ass I wouldn't complain...but I WOULD be amazed that he was actually able to do something constructive...especially by shatting. I'm guessing a whole lot of Americans would be amazed right along with me, given his job approval numbers.

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Fearandloathing said:

Please stay with the facts...

The "agreement" which has been REJECTED by Iran, Britain, Canada, France and NATO, does not in any way try to stop "Iran from gaining nuclear weapons..."


The reason it has been rejected is because it only DELAYS production of nuclear bombs for ten years.......

you can't claim honesty and trust when you mislead ..

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iliveonramen said:

Actually...it supposedly may include a sunset provision...as in .....Iran adheres to the agreement and then is treated like any other non-nuclear country. it doesn't give them nuclear weapons.

In fact...the Bush administration when they were talking about negotiating with Iran stated that a sunset deal made sense and would be apart of any nuclear deal they made with Iran.

Wherever you got that misinformation you should probably stop using them as a news source.

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Moot said:

That's like saying Obama is weak president and then complaining he has too much power.



GOP is turning into party of schizoids.

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Fearandloathing said:

"....it supposedly may ..."


There supposedly is gold on the moon, maybe

:lamo:lamo

When you have no facts, make up..maybe

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ProgressivPower said:

For most law abiding Americans, Obama "earned" their trust TWICE: Once in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

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ProgressivPower said:

From day one the GOP has moved in fascistic-style goose step fashion to obstruct any initiatives taken by this duly elected President -and the people and nation be damned! The GOP has indeed long ago now transgressed mere civility or respect for the office: starting with the outrageously improper shouting out of "You Lie!"

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ProgressivPower said:

while a president addresses congress , a countless litany of cheap personal attacks; repeatedly shutting down the government of the United States and playing chicken with the nation's "good faith and credit"

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ProgressivPower said:

....to now the unprecedented invitation to a foreign leader to criticize the president's foreign policy on the floor of the House AND, even more despicably sending an open letter to a foreign government designed to undermine the president's constitutional right to practice diplomacy

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ProgressivPower said:

......can you imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had done such a thing to a Republican president?!

What ever happened to "Politics stops at the waters edge." ????

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ProgressivPower said:

For well over fifty years now the GOP has consistently been on the wrong side of history: wrong about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Minimum Wage, GI Bill, Unemployment , Civil Rights (voter suppression etc.) , Women's Rights, LGBT Rights, Healthcare, etc. ad nauseam....

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ProgressivPower said:

their behavior during the Obama Administration adds yet another tawdry, embarrassingly unpatriotic chapter to their already soiled legacy ....."Party of Lincoln", indeed. History will not look fondly upon their destructive, border-line treasonous behavior.

These Republicans are indeed a disgrace to the federal government which they so, ironically, despise.....and have engaged in a deliberate attempt to undermine sensitive diplomatic negotiations with very high stakes: some , including myself would indeed call it treason....and that is precisely what the GOP would call it were the shoe on the other foot.
Over the past six plus years now, the GOP has wrought far more destruction to this nation than Bin Laden, himself, could have ever imagined possible.

If Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or even Ike could see today's Republican Party, they would never stop vomiting.

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Kushinator said:

If the guy shat jobs out of his ass, you and your crew would still complain that the pay stinks. There is nothing this President can or could do that would garner bipartisan support.

Why?

Because he won... twice.

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Kushinator said:

Job approval ratings swings on emotion. What does America say about its chief lawmaking body?

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Mycroft said:

LOL!! Now THAT was funny!!

Heck, if Obama shat jobs out of his ass I wouldn't complain...but I WOULD be amazed that he was actually able to do something constructive...especially by shatting. I'm guessing a whole lot of Americans would be amazed right along with me, given his job approval numbers.

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Moot said:

That's like saying Obama is weak president and then complaining he has too much power.



GOP is turning into party of schizoids.

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cpwill said:

Here is the text of the letter:

It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.​

Please point out where you feel their understanding of governance is so sharply mistaken?

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Moot said:

The thing that makes that letter so shameful is that Iran had to school those 47 idiot senators on their own Constitution and international law. I'll bet Tehran had a good laugh over that.....

“I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law,”

“I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States. The conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by U.S. domestic law."

The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations......"

Iran's Foreign Minister To U.S. Senators: 'The World Is Not The United States'​

I keep thinking the GOP couldn't possible get any more stupid and then they surprise me by proving they can. But this time I think they've finally crossed the line from juvenile party shenanigans into a lethal threat to our national security. If they think they can interfere or prevent our president from doing the job he was legally and constitutionally elected to do and get away with it, then we've got a bigger problem here than just ISIS.

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Moot said:

The thing that makes that letter so shameful is that Iran had to school those 47 idiot senators on their own Constitution and international law. I'll bet Tehran had a good laugh over that.....

“I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law,”

“I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States. The conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by U.S. domestic law."

The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations......"

Iran's Foreign Minister To U.S. Senators: 'The World Is Not The United States'​

I keep thinking the GOP couldn't possible get any more stupid and then they surprise me by proving they can. But this time I think they've finally crossed the line from juvenile party shenanigans into a lethal threat to our national security. If they think they can interfere or prevent our president from doing the job he was legally and constitutionally elected to do and get away with it, then we've got a bigger problem here than just ISIS.

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Kushinator said:

Job approval ratings swings on emotion. What does America say about its chief lawmaking body?

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Moot said:

The thing that makes that letter so shameful is that Iran had to school those 47 idiot senators on their own Constitution and international law. I'll bet Tehran had a good laugh over that.....

“I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law,”

“I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States. The conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by U.S. domestic law."

The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations......"

Iran's Foreign Minister To U.S. Senators: 'The World Is Not The United States'​

I keep thinking the GOP couldn't possible get any more stupid and then they surprise me by proving they can. But this time I think they've finally crossed the line from juvenile party shenanigans into a lethal threat to our national security. If they think they can interfere or prevent our president from doing the job he was legally and constitutionally elected to do and get away with it, then we've got a bigger problem here than just ISIS.

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Mycroft said:

That reply by Iran's Foreign Minister reinforces his ignorance of US law...even AFTER being given information about it from our Congressmen. Frankly, I don't see how Obama can possibly conduct serious negotiations with such ill-informed and close-minded people.

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