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Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Tesla is researching how to make a much cheaper model.

If they are currently researching, then it's probably not out on the market for purchase yet either.

Hey, I wish them the best, and I hope that they succeed. I even hope that the market accepts it, and make it a successful product.

Can you imagine? Next to no maintenance for the life of the vehicle (well except after 4-5 years replace all the batteries), never to the gas pump, but to the plug. Most people treat their cars like appliances (yeah, I'm a car guy, so not me), now it'll be one.

Should Tessla be able to pull that off, there's be a market stampede to buy them, and great pressure on the rest of the industry to produce similar products of equal or better quality, performance, comfort, etc. And best of all, the government doesn't have to do much if anything. Perfect, I'd call it.

Oh, of course more generation capacity would have to be put online pretty darn quickly. No one is going to accept rolling brown outs because the other 1/2 of town are all charging their cars at the same time!
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

If they are currently researching, then it's probably not out on the market for purchase yet either.

Hey, I wish them the best, and I hope that they succeed. I even hope that the market accepts it, and make it a successful product.

Can you imagine? Next to no maintenance for the life of the vehicle (well except after 4-5 years replace all the batteries), never to the gas pump, but to the plug. Most people treat their cars like appliances (yeah, I'm a car guy, so not me), now it'll be one.

Should Tessla be able to pull that off, there's be a market stampede to buy them, and great pressure on the rest of the industry to produce similar products of equal or better quality, performance, comfort, etc. And best of all, the government doesn't have to do much if anything. Perfect, I'd call it.

Oh, of course more generation capacity would have to be put online pretty darn quickly. No one is going to accept rolling brown outs because the other 1/2 of town are all charging their cars at the same time!

The cheaper ones aren't out yet, no. But AFAIK, the high-end models are doing extremely well.

Also, the guys behind the company aren't dummies. They'll figure out how to make a cheaper car at some point. It's even possible that Detroit or Japan may beat them to it. Believe me, they're trying.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

This is an entirely separate treaty from the NPT.

what makes it different?
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

what makes it different?

You see they ratified the NPT and now they are creating an entirely new treaty that needs to be ratified. What kind of question is this?
 
For some reason my post is not taking paragraph breaks - it all becomes a running text so I'll use dashes to separate my paragraphs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"United States Senators Indicate that the US is Incapable and not to be Trusted With Negotiations" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are foreign headlines being printed right now, no kidding. Why are the American people allowing these 47 Senators even one more second in a United States office? Can we impeach them please, and try them for treason? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------These 47 senators are TRAITORS, period, full stop. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At the very least they are felons under the Logan Act. "Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The only problem with it is that three years in prison is not enough punishment for these traitors. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To write a letter to another country - an enemy country, actually - to warn them that dealing with the Executive Office of the United States is not in their best interest, is complete and utter treason. What the heck were they thinking? To score some domestic lame political points, they jeopardize the reputation of the United States abroad? -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------They have more than demonstrated they are UNFIT for the positions we elected them to (I mean, not we, but some of us, the dumbest bunch, because I didn't vote for any of them). Not to mention they are seemingly unhinged and possibly will be even more dangerous in the next sophomoric stunt they are certain to pull if not reigned in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is A DISGRACE!!! Nothing in our history compares to this. These people need to be dragged out of Congress and thrown in prison!! And to think that three of them are trying to run for POTUS! Idiots! Morons!
 
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Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

You see they ratified the NPT and now they are creating an entirely new treaty that needs to be ratified. What kind of question is this?

and what they are negotiating differs from the provisions of the NPT in what ways?
 
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and what they are negotiating differs from the provisions of the NPT in what ways?

It has nothing to do with the NPT in ANY way it has to do with lifting sanctions and limiting nuclear enrichment. Your assertion that because the NPT was ratified that this new and entirely separate treaty l\does not need to be ratified is utter nonsense. It would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome Statute does not need to be. :roll:
 
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OK, fine. Tessla's are niche market cars at a premium price, at least from what I've heard.

If they are, with or without the help of the government, why should government spend the money? Couldn't / shouldn't those public monies be used somewhere else on something else?

I'd think so.

Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?
 
This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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O doesn't have to worry about Congress--he can negotiate directly w/AIPAC. Congressional Repubs are subordinate to AIPAC and are required to obey all its orders.
 
O doesn't have to worry about Congress--he can negotiate directly w/AIPAC. Congressional Repubs are subordinate to AIPAC and are required to obey all its orders.

Yep yep those sneaky JOOZ controlling the government. :roll:
 
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It has nothing to do with the NPT in ANY way it has to do with lifting sanctions and limiting nuclear enrichment. Your assertion that because the NPT was ratified that this new and entirely separate treaty l\does not need to be ratified is utter nonsense. It would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome Statute does not need to be. :roll:

are the negotiations not about curbing iran's opportunity to become a member of the nuclear weapons club? that's the NPT. an agreement already ratified by the USA. now we are exercising our responsibility as a nuclear-wielding NPT signatory to assure another signatory remains in compliance with that same agreement
now, explain for us again how this has nothing to do with thwarting iran from acquiring nuclear weapons capability
 
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I'd think so.

Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?
you may be correct
but i would not discount the long term future of hydrogen powered fuel cells
would eliminate the need to upgrade our power plants/grid to supply the additional electric demand for autos
 
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you may be correct
but i would not discount the long term future of hydrogen powered fuel cells
would eliminate the need to upgrade our power plants/grid to supply the additional electric demand for autos

The problem with this technology is it isn't good at high power draw, so batteries are still needed in the loop. The other issue is keeping inpurities out of the membranes. It'll take time to get them to the point you're talking about.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

I'd think so.

Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?

Seems to have already been established via historical precedent.

7 Times Democrats Advised America's Enemies to Oppose the President - Breitbart

5 times Democrats undermined Republican presidents with foreign governments | WashingtonExaminer.com

Somewhere between 5 and 7 times.

So let's skip all the one sided fauxrage from the administration and the Democrats as exactly that, what it really is.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Seems to have already been established via historical precedent.

7 Times Democrats Advised America's Enemies to Oppose the President - Breitbart

5 times Democrats undermined Republican presidents with foreign governments | WashingtonExaminer.com

Somewhere between 5 and 7 times.

So let's skip all the one sided fauxrage from the administration and the Democrats as exactly that, what it really is.

If the Democrats have done it, then it must be OK.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

If the Democrats have done it, then it must be OK.

No, but it certainly lets all the air out of their faux outrage balloon.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

No, but it certainly lets all the air out of their faux outrage balloon.

I don't think an open letter to the Iranians is a particularly good idea. I think it would have been a better idea to do an op-ed or a senate resolution. But Obama has decided to bypass congress for the last two years of his term, so he and his dem allies cant get too outraged if the congress decides to bypass him.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

are the negotiations not about curbing iran's opportunity to become a member of the nuclear weapons club? that's the NPT. an agreement already ratified by the USA. now we are exercising our responsibility as a nuclear-wielding NPT signatory to assure another signatory remains in compliance with that same agreement
now, explain for us again how this has nothing to do with thwarting iran from acquiring nuclear weapons capability


You're spewing utter nonsense, this is an entirely new treaty and requires an entirely new ratification, it would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome statute does not need to be ratified or because NAFTA was passed by Congress that CAFTA did not need to be ratified by Congress, once again you're talking nonsense.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

You're spewing utter nonsense, this is an entirely new treaty and requires an entirely new ratification, it would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome statute does not need to be ratified or because NAFTA was passed by Congress that CAFTA did not need to be ratified by Congress, once again you're talking nonsense.

no, what it would be like is signatories of the geneva convention convening with a rogue signatory to bring them back into compliance
 
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No, but it certainly lets all the air out of their faux outrage balloon.
When the Democrats pull some stupid stunt, and the Republicans are full of faux outrage, at least we can say that the Democrats did it too.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

If the Democrats have done it, then it must be OK.

The headlines of the linked stories are, shall I say, bad jokes - with little relationship to the actions of the 47. But then one has to do a bit of the Google to discover actually what happened in the past. As one commenter on another thread stated -- "I don't click on links I don't know" -- good way to stay ignorant, refuse to examine reality because you don't have a decent antivirus program on your computer.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

no, what it would be like is signatories of the geneva convention convening with a rogue signatory to bring them back into compliance

Umm no, this is about limiting enrichment and lifting sanctions, your assertions are pure nonsense and not even the White House is making this argument, they're just calling it an agreement/deal as if it's not a treaty, tell us sport if this is not a separate treaty then why does the agreement need to be made in the first place? :roll:
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

The headlines of the linked stories are, shall I say, bad jokes - with little relationship to the actions of the 47. But then one has to do a bit of the Google to discover actually what happened in the past. As one commenter on another thread stated -- "I don't click on links I don't know" -- good way to stay ignorant, refuse to examine reality because you don't have a decent antivirus program on your computer.

I was unaware that explaining the Constitution to a foreign government equates to undermining US foreign policy, oh wait I guess it does if the POTUS thinks he's a king.
 
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