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Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Travis007 said:
sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..
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Well, the U.S. Funds proxy wars. And if you look at it from the other side, say Yemen's, it would be considered 'terror'.

Pumping more oil is not the solution. It's just postponing a problem.Middle East oil will be easier to extract for a long time, and the rest of the world will be giving them money for a long time.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
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We can do a lot to expidite the development, and to stop encouraging fossil fuels.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, the U.S. Funds proxy wars. And if you look at it from the other side, say Yemen's, it would be considered 'terror'.

Pumping more oil is not the solution. It's just postponing a problem.Middle East oil will be easier to extract for a long time, and the rest of the world will be giving them money for a long time.
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sure... didnt Obama just fumble away Yemen?..when a few month sback he said it was "the model" of what his policies have solved..its so hard to type as Im laughing
 
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Threegoofs said:
We can do a lot to expidite the development, and to stop encouraging fossil fuels.
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please for our enjoyment tell us how most electricity is generated and from what, to power electric "green" cars....
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
It will happen sooner than you think, and it gets closer all the time. Don't forget, this is the first time since the 1950s that the US has become a net exporter of oil.

Expect gasoline-free vehicles within the next few decades.
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LOL.

The U.S. Is nowhere near a net exporter of oil. Most of the stuff we export is exported because we don't have the ability to refine it here.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_wkly_dc_nus-z00_mbblpd_w.htm


And we have gasoline free vehicles now. And a hydrogen powered one coming on the market soon.
 
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Now GOpers are saying the letter was meant as a joke while the 7 rational ones who refused to sign up are speaking out.

Republicans Admit: That Iran Letter Was a Dumb Idea

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, did not sign the letter.

“I didn’t think it was going to further our efforts to get to a place where Congress would play the appropriate role that it should on Iran,” Corker told The Daily Beast. “I did not think that the letter was something that was going to help get us to an outcome that we’re all seeking, and that is Congress playing that appropriate role.”
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Threegoofs said:
LOL.

The U.S. Is nowhere near a net exporter of oil. Most of the stuff we export is exported because we don't have the ability to refine it here.

U.S. Imports & Exports


And we have gasoline free vehicles now. And a hydrogen powered one coming on the market soon.
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Excuse me: I should have said "exclusively gasoline-free vehicles."
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
Excuse me: I should have said "exclusively gasoline-free vehicles."
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Yeah. They exist.

In fact, Iran has the largest fleet of CNG busses in the world.
 
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Montecresto said:
Iran would be claiming victory while the radiation was settling about what use to be Tehran right after an Israeli nuclear strike!
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Well, no argument there - I just find it interesting that in this case they may actually be right and not just propagandizing.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yeah. They exist.

In fact, Iran has the largest fleet of CNG busses in the world.
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Okaaayyyy. . . Exclusively gasoline-free vehicles on the new car market in the U.S. As in, no more gas-powered vehicles available for purchase. Clear enough now?
 
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Threegoofs said:
They sound just like the GOP.

Not a coincidence.
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Ah, so equivocating the GOP with the biggest suppliers of worldwide terrorism. It's things like that which prevent your posts from garnering any credibility... :lamo
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
It will happen sooner than you think, and it gets closer all the time. Don't forget, this is the first time since the 1950s that the US has become a net exporter of oil.

Expect gasoline-free vehicles within the next few decades.
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Am I'm all for it. This is, after all, the only planet we have, so we had better take good care of it. And on whole, I think we are.

I just see no need to force it to happen at the point of a government gun, swimming upstream the whole way, forcing the market to do something that it won't or can't. Better to use the market to make it happen when the time and the technology are 'right'.

Besides, we already have electric vehicles available in the market, such as the Nissan Leaf and it's competitors. Just that the market hasn't accepted them, and their sales are pretty lousy.
 
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Threegoofs said:
We can do a lot to expidite the development, and to stop encouraging fossil fuels.
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True. But there's a balance to be struck between forcing the market with the government gun (or trying to), and encouraging the market.
Heavy handedness, heavy regulations, excessive tax credits, etc. would trend to the former.
 
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Ockham said:
Well, no argument there - I just find it interesting that in this case they may actually be right and not just propagandizing.
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That's because you like what they're saying. It props your meme. Otherwise what comes out of Iran cannot be trusted.
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
Okaaayyyy. . . Exclusively gasoline-free vehicles on the new car market in the U.S. As in, no more gas-powered vehicles available for purchase. Clear enough now?
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Yes. But that's a lot different from your original statement.

But regardless, we can speed that up and should have been doing it over the last 30 years.
 
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Ockham said:
Ah, so equivocating the GOP with the biggest suppliers of worldwide terrorism. It's things like that which prevent your posts from garnering any credibility... :lamo
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But they do have credibility. Though the GOP is by no means the only party to use terrorism to advance US corporate interests.
 
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Ockham said:
Ah, so equivocating the GOP with the biggest suppliers of worldwide terrorism. It's things like that which prevent your posts from garnering any credibility... :lamo
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Well, some would equate the GOP as being the biggest supplier of worldwide terrorism.

I realize that's difficult for you to hear, and even more challenging for you to comprehend, but it's not a fringe view elsewhere in the world.

For an example, see here:

https://www.iraqbodycount.org
 
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eohrnberger said:
True. But there's a balance to be struck between forcing the market with the government gun (or trying to), and encouraging the market.
Heavy handedness, heavy regulations, excessive tax credits, etc. would trend to the former.
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I guess you'd rather spend money on military defense of oil supplies. That way you can pretend it's about freedom and not oil and profits.
 
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Montecresto said:
But they do have credibility. Though the GOP is by no means the only party to use terrorism to advance US corporate interests.
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I think I'm done here then.... :lamo
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, some would equate the GOP as being the biggest supplier of worldwide terrorism.

I realize that's difficult for you to hear, and even more challenging for you to comprehend, but it's not a fringe view elsewhere in the world.

For an example, see here:

https://www.iraqbodycount.org
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See this is why I also laugh hysterically at those at the far right who claim Obama is the antichrist. Your posts however show the far left view and it's always good for a chuckle. Thanks!
 
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