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Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

jmotivator said:
No, it is Iranian assets that were frozen after the US Embassy was over run in 1979. But it sure has all the feel of the US payments to North Korea for not developing a bomb... which they used to develop a bomb.
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Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

Now the problem is this:

Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

Now the problem is this:

Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
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Congress declared they won't approve of the agreement?.... when did this happen?
 
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Thrilla said:
Congress declared they won't approve of the agreement?.... when did this happen?
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47 Senators did anyway. That's enough to scuttle any deal that requires a 2/3 vote isn't it?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

Now the problem is this:

Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
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I think, I don't know but I think, the agreement will mandate inspections of all nuclear power facilities and uranium enrichment plants in return for the lifting of sanctions in the international marketplace. So, even if the Senate votes against any agreement, if the other five nations approve the document it will simply mean the US loses some relevancy in the Middle East.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
47 Senators did anyway. That's enough to scuttle any deal that requires a 2/3 vote isn't it?
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they haven't said they won't approve of it in the end... they just want to their say in it before it goes into effect.... unfortunately, that's something Obama has specifically said he won't allow them.

he's empowered to negotiate on his own, no doubt about it.. it's his job... but he's taking things a bit far by purposefully telling Congress they will have no part in it.

it's all a bunch of bull****.... between Congress and Obama, all I see is a bunch of spoiled bratty babies that refuse to play well with others
 
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humbolt said:
Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In 1984 Elections
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If you're going to go that route you can't omit Nixon and his actually treasonous intervention into Vietnam negotiations, and interventions that might have killed many thousands of U.S. soldiers. We've recently been blessed with the tapes of LBJ explaining that to Dirksen. Or that Reagan was negotiating with Iran to keep the hostages until after the 1980 elections.
 
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Somerville said:
I think, I don't know but I think, the agreement will mandate inspections of all nuclear power facilities and uranium enrichment plants in return for the lifting of sanctions in the international marketplace. So, even if the Senate votes against any agreement, if the other five nations approve the document it will simply mean the US loses some relevancy in the Middle East.
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I hope you're right on both counts. An international agreement that would mandate inspections would be the best option. As for Thrilla's observation:

Thrilla said:
they haven't said they won't approve of it in the end... they just want to their say in it before it goes into effect.... unfortunately, that's something Obama has specifically said he won't allow them.

he's empowered to negotiate on his own, no doubt about it.. it's his job... but he's taking things a bit far by purposefully telling Congress they will have no part in it.

it's all a bunch of bull****.... between Congress and Obama, all I see is a bunch of spoiled bratty babies that refuse to play well with others
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Let's hope that there are some adults in the negotiations who will do what must be done.
 
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JasperL said:
If you're going to go that route you can't omit Nixon and his actually treasonous intervention into Vietnam negotiations, and interventions that might have killed many thousands of U.S. soldiers. We've recently been blessed with the tapes of LBJ explaining that to Dirksen. Or that Reagan was negotiating with Iran to keep the hostages until after the 1980 elections.
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No politicians should be going outside of America for solutions to domestic issues. Not Ted Kennedy, not these 47 senators, not Richard Nixon, none.
 
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Montecresto said:
No politicians should be going outside of America for solutions to domestic issues. Not Ted Kennedy, not these 47 senators, not Richard Nixon, none.
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I agree! I was just giving credit to Reagan and Nixon where credit was due.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Dittohead not! said:
Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.
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Oh sure, it would have been a bargaining chip had we held it as a condition of complying with a deal. But just giving it to them means it can't be used for leverage.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Well we haven't spent trillions in a war that ends up destabilizing a region. That's much better than the last Republican in charge of foreign policy.

As for Europe and Russia, not sure exactly what Republicans are pushing for that Obama's not doing.
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yea..its "Stable " now that Obama fumbled away Iraq by not getting a SOFA..and is playing into Irans hostile arms
 
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Iran can NOT be Trusted


Obama can NOT be Trusted


Iran is notorious for being ruthless negotiators and liars.. and THEY WON ALREADY.. this was all about "buying time" to get the Soviet Nuke plants to the point that they can not be stopped... This is why the Ukraine is in play also at this time..
 
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Travis007 said:
Iran can NOT be Trusted

Obama can NOT be Trusted

Iran is notorious for being ruthless negotiators and liars.. and THEY WON ALREADY.. this was all about "buying time" to get the Soviet Nuke plants to the point that they can not be stopped... This is why the Ukraine is in play also at this time..
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OK, let's assume you're right. Now what? We can't negotiate with liars, so we fire up the bombers?
 
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JasperL said:
OK, let's assume you're right. Now what? We can't negotiate with liars, so we fire up the bombers?
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we keep that option on the table and ramp up sanctions as high as we can, we cut off all banking and commerce.. Iron Clad...we supporr regime change and tell them we will work to at all cost to have their regime destroyed.. we tell Putin if he will not support that and help we will prosecute them over the Ukraine to the max...

we tell Iran we support Israel 100% and will assist and support them to th max to destory the Nukes..


we tell Iran that we will again enter Iraq so we can set up attack points and bases , infrastructureto attack them...

This is why Obama failed us and lost all leverage by leaving Iraq... Obama is an ENEMY OF THE USA
 
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JasperL said:
OK, let's assume you're right. Now what? We can't negotiate with liars, so we fire up the bombers?
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so you Libs want to just sign anythign so Obama can again claim a false and dangerous "victory"?

Obama is not fit to negotiate a Burger King menu..
 
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Travis007 said:
we keep that option on the table and ramp up sanctions as high as we can, we cut off all banking and commerce.. Iron Clad...we supporr regime change and tell them we will work to at all cost to have their regime destroyed.. we tell Putin if he will not support that and help we will prosecute them over the Ukraine to the max...
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Well, regime changed has worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq, so I can see why you'd advise us to go down that road for the third time. I'm pretty sure the next regime will love us, we will likely be greeted as liberators. :roll:

we tell Iran we support Israel 100% and will assist and support them to th max to destory the Nukes..

we tell Iran that we will again enter Iraq so we can set up attack points and bases , infrastructureto attack them...

This is why Obama failed us and lost all leverage by leaving Iraq... Obama is an ENEMY OF THE USA
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OK, so that sounds like a workable plan.
 
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Travis007 said:
so you Libs want to just sign anythign so Obama can again claim a false and dangerous "victory"?

Obama is not fit to negotiate a Burger King menu..
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No, not anything.
 
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Just in case anyone was wondering about the nature of the administration's negotiations with Iran:

Kerry: Iran deal 'not legally binding' | WashingtonExaminer.com
The Obama administration won't submit any deal limiting Iran's nuclear ambitions to Congress for approval because it won't be legally binding, Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday.

"We've been clear from the beginning we're not negotiating a legally binding plan. We're negotiating a plan that will have a capacity for enforcement," he told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
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Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
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sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..
 
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Threegoofs said:
Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
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If the US in any way assists, encourages, or induces Iran to gain nuclear weapons, we are in violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
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Travis007 said:
sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..
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I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
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It will happen sooner than you think, and it gets closer all the time. Don't forget, this is the first time since the 1950s that the US has become a net exporter of oil.

Expect gasoline-free vehicles within the next few decades.
 
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