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Boko Haram swears formal allegiance to ISIS

An Op/Ed from the Washington Times by retired Navy Three Star James “Ace” Lyons . . . CINCPACFLT
“A strategy, but not a pro-U.S. One”

By James A. Lyons - - Monday, February 9, 2015

Part 2 of the Op/Ed

His September 2012 speech to the U.N. General Assembly, where he stated in reference to the Benghazi debacle that "the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," showed where his sympathies lie. What most Americans don't understand is that the Libyan war was unnecessary because Col. Moammar Gadhafi was willing to abdicate. New secret tapes from the Pentagon clearly undermine the claim of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that there was an impending humanitarian crisis in Benghazi. After just a 45-minute meeting with Muslim Brotherhood spokesman, Mahmoud Jibril, in the Paris Westin Hotel, Mrs. Clinton was convinced of the need to go to war in Libya. She chose to ignore all the advice of our military and intelligence leaders that did not support her determination to go to war.

Gen. Carter Ham, the AFRICOM commander, was actually negotiating at the time with key Gadhafi confidants for a 72-hour truce. This has been verified by several credible sources, including then-Rep. Dennis Kucinich. As the tapes show, Mrs. Clinton wanted a war regardless of the fact that no U.S. Interests were at stake, and regional stability could be threatened by our intervention. In fact, Mrs. Clinton is apparently the one who ordered the Pentagon to cease negotiations. With the incestuous relations between key administration officials and the major TV networks, this has not been reported or has been underplayed.

The net effect of Mrs. Clinton's policy decision was that we switched sides on the global war on terrorism and provided arms and material support to al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood-controlled militias. Some of these were the same militias that later attacked our facilities in Benghazi, killing four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Fortunately, Rep. Trey Gowdy's select committee investigating the Benghazi tragedy has indicated that it will review these new tapes before calling Mrs. Clinton to testify.

It was during the Libyan war that the Obama administration declared its new "leading from behind" strategy, which signaled our withdrawal from our world leadership role. The unilateral disarmament of our military forces in a world undergoing monumental change made no sense but certainly was welcomed by our enemies and the Islamic supremacists. Our precipitous withdrawal from Iraq certainly can be viewed as an "appeasement" signal to Iran in Mr. Obama's senseless quest for any type of nuclear weapons agreement with the evil regime of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The concessions might already border on treason.

The latest move by the Obama administration — hosting a group of leaders aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood at the State Department, whose objective is to obtain support for the overthrow of Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi — was unconscionable. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt shortly thereafter announced a call for a "long, uncompromising jihad." We should not forget that it is President el-Sissi who has called for the reformation of Islam. In fact, as a follow-on effort, leading Sunni clerics should establish a forum to revise interpretation of Islam's 7th century violent Koranic verses. This would be a dramatic act since it has not been tried in more than 1,300 years.

The character of the Obama administration is very clear — never more so than with the continued release of hardened terrorists from Guantanamo Bay. The limited air strikes against the barbaric Islamic State should be seen as further evidence as to where White House sympathies lie. With the administration's disastrous immigration policies and the resettlement of an unknown number of Muslims throughout the country, Congress must act now to preserve our Constitution and the American way of life. As a first order of business, both the House and the Senate should start censure proceedings against Mr. Obama for his unconstitutional acts.

• James A. Lyons, a U.S. Navy retired admiral, was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations.
Ever more military people are beginning to speak out. Have you read this yet? Stephen Hayes and Tomas Joscelyn: How America Was Misled on al Qaeda
 
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Needless to say, this isn't a very positive development for Democrats considering how far they have their heads up their politically correct asses. If you can't see how Islam is the common thread that links these terrorists together, you're going to allow millions more to be killed or enslaved and allow them to attack us here, in our cities.

This is bad news for Boko Haram.

We are working on legislation that is directed at fighting ISIS wherever they reside. They just painted a giant bullseye target on their own chests. Morons.
 
I agree completely. Sherman had it right, I think, when he said you cannot refine war--that it is all hell. Peace cannot come until the enemy has been whipped thoroughly enough that he has no doubt he is beaten. And you are right to say it is their minds which must be changed. I would not care if every Muslim on earth hated this country, if they had all been taught better than to try to do anything about it.

I wonder if warfare has changed in any significant way in the last 150 years?

A View From the CT Foxhole: An Interview With Captain Robert A. Newson
 
I wonder if warfare has changed in any significant way in the last 150 years?

A View From the CT Foxhole: An Interview With Captain Robert A. Newson

I can just imagine Sherman drilling into his men the importance of politeness and restraint in winning over the good people of the South to the idea that the Johnnies were their common enemy. I can see some Union captain teaching his company how they must always compliment the tea, cornbread, or whatever else might be offered to them at some house, must smile all the time, and must treat all crops, livestock, buildings, and persons with the utmost respect as part of Sherman's "hearts and minds" campaign.

I have the greatest respect for men like Captain Newson, but I have to wonder if they have not got into the habit, maybe because of what their superior officers have taught them, of overthinking what they are doing. If this elaborate Petraeus-style finessing of the locals works so well, why is al Anbar the way it is now? What happened to all the elaborate work that gave rise to The Awakening and the turn for the better things took in Iraq in 2007? And what happened to all those divisions of Iraq troops we spent so much time and effort training? It seems the U.S. can't even scrape up a couple brigades of them in the whole country that are willing and able to fight.
 
The problem is, we all know that doesn't work. People used to pretend that air dropping bacon on them would stop them in their tracks. It won't. They'll just change their beliefs so it isn't a problem anymore. That's what they did with bacon, some imam just declared that if it wasn't voluntary, it didn't count.

They can't change their belief when it comes attaining their place with their Allah and in their heaven. Oh and they never got rid of their childhood fears of the Djinn coming for them in the night.....and in the dark. Where they tremble with fear.
 
This is bad news for Boko Haram.

We are working on legislation that is directed at fighting ISIS wherever they reside. They just painted a giant bullseye target on their own chests. Morons.
They don't seem too concerned. They've just invaded Chad in order, I believe, to unite in Libya. Meanwhile, long after the carnage began and hundreds of thousands have died, and the hashtag protests by the First Lady had their expected effect, they are 'working on legislation'. Islamic terrorists needn't fear because Obama won't even admit to their existence.
 
They don't seem too concerned. They've just invaded Chad in order, I believe, to unite in Libya. Meanwhile, long after the carnage began and hundreds of thousands have died, and the hashtag protests by the First Lady had their expected effect, they are 'working on legislation'. Islamic terrorists needn't fear because Obama won't even admit to their existence.

Heya Grant. :2wave: Do you think those on the left picked up that news today of ISIS kidnapping some foreigners again? You know how they like to miss things purposely.
 
Heya Grant. :2wave: Do you think those on the left picked up that news today of ISIS kidnapping some foreigners again? You know how they like to miss things purposely.
Hi MMC!!

Yes, and more beheadings as well. The news coming out of there is tough to read and the photographs are among the worst since the capture of the concentration camps in WWII. Many have wondered how the world could have allowed those camps to exist and now we have an idea.

Isis 'executes scores of women for refusing to marry militants', Iraq ministry claims - Middle East - World - The Independent

Unbelievable Story of Mass Graves; ISIS Deadly Legacy in Iraq + Index
 
Just tackle the US citizens who are members of ISIS.
 
Just tackle the US citizens who are members of ISIS.

No can do RDS :2wave: .....the lames wont even come round my hood. Besides tackling wont do any good. You need to use methods that capture their attention span.

Well to tell the truth.....even Farrakan can't walk around here without special protections from the State and government.
 
They can't change their belief when it comes attaining their place with their Allah and in their heaven. Oh and they never got rid of their childhood fears of the Djinn coming for them in the night.....and in the dark. Where they tremble with fear.

Of course they can and they do. Clearly you're not at all familiar with how religions actually operate in the real world.
 
Of course they can and they do. Clearly you're not at all familiar with how religions actually operate in the real world.

Oh I am quite familiar.....the kind that was always up close and out in front. Not just looking at them with a view, from behind someone or from where one thinks they are safe.
 
This is bad news for Boko Haram.

We are working on legislation that is directed at fighting ISIS wherever they reside. They just painted a giant bullseye target on their own chests. Morons.

They may have painted the bullseye, but Obama will still maintain one of 2 positions: ignore the problem or do very little to stop it.
 
They may have painted the bullseye, but Obama will still maintain one of 2 positions: ignore the problem or do very little to stop it.

Yes. Obama is such a horrible, horrible, terrible, evil, communist, fascist do-nothing meany isn't he?
 
Yes. Obama is such a horrible, horrible, terrible, evil, communist, fascist do-nothing meany isn't he?

That's giving him way too much credit.
 
ODS... it's what killing this forum as it saps logic and rationality right out of any debate.
 
It didn't kill it when it was BDS... but it's touching how much you care for the forum.

I care about debate. I sure wish you did instead of you constantly focusing on one upsmanship throw away one liners. BTW... I was never at this forum during the Bush administration. But don't let that get in the way of your trolling me.
 
I care about debate. I sure wish you did instead of you constantly focusing on one upsmanship throw away one liners. BTW... I was never at this forum during the Bush administration. But don't let that get in the way of your trolling me.

You've never cared about debate, your posts were hackish even back in the PCF days. You're posts don't rate more than one liners sorry....
 
You've never cared about debate, your posts were hackish even back in the PCF days. You're posts don't rate more than one liners sorry....

You might want to remember where you are in this website.
 
You might want to remember where you are in this website.

I know very well where I am. Now, would you like to talk about the topic or continue whining about ODS?
 
I can just imagine Sherman drilling into his men the importance of politeness and restraint in winning over the good people of the South to the idea that the Johnnies were their common enemy. I can see some Union captain teaching his company how they must always compliment the tea, cornbread, or whatever else might be offered to them at some house, must smile all the time, and must treat all crops, livestock, buildings, and persons with the utmost respect as part of Sherman's "hearts and minds" campaign.

I have the greatest respect for men like Captain Newson, but I have to wonder if they have not got into the habit, maybe because of what their superior officers have taught them, of overthinking what they are doing. If this elaborate Petraeus-style finessing of the locals works so well, why is al Anbar the way it is now? What happened to all the elaborate work that gave rise to The Awakening and the turn for the better things took in Iraq in 2007? And what happened to all those divisions of Iraq troops we spent so much time and effort training? It seems the U.S. can't even scrape up a couple brigades of them in the whole country that are willing and able to fight.

It may also be that the Civil War was a different type of warfare from what we face today.
Have we entirely discounted that possibility yet?

We may need more information before we toss aside the advice of people who have actual first hand experience.
Well, I and other people may. Your mileage may vary on that point.
 
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