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Obama and Others at Selma

Look who is changing the goal posts. You originally challenged me to find marches and protests against black on black crime, but now that you have them you suddenly want to change up.

Huh huh.
 
So you are moving the goal post?

I was talking about the vast majority of the black population in this country that have white, i.e. European, genes in them.

You are the one who wants to be meticulous about this. If they are part white then they are part white - that has been your sentiment. It is a fact after all.

Genetic percentages vary no matter how close a relative of a different race is. You can have a black mother and white father and end up with more genetic make up from your father. Making your genetic percentage primarily white.

Genetically speaking, mammals are more like their fathers -- ScienceDaily


Genetically Speaking, You're More Like Your Dad - D-brief

That's just bizarre. 2+2 is not 5, never will be, no matter how many links and kooks you get to back it up. Get it?
 
That's just bizarre. 2+2 is not 5, never will be, no matter how many links and kooks you get to back it up. Get it?

So again, and I love that you are ducking and dodging - You have concluded that the vast majority of african americans are also white americans and by doing so have rendered the term "black" useless.

That is your logic. If it's bizarre, and yeah it kind of is, that's no fault of my own. You made up this new standard by which we determine who is black and white.

By your logic - no one really is Black. This is not "liberal" logic - this is me corning a conservative and you are so inept now at arguing your own point that you have essentially become a broken record. Repeating yourself over and over again ad nauseam- but despite the rote rhetoric you are not really saying anything.

How sad.
 
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And your comment about you somehow magically knowing if ancestors didn't suffer under "bigotry and oppression, nor did any of them fight against" is pretty dumb.

That "linkage" doesn't contradict anything I posted whatsoever, does it, as that is a family tree that is of a different branch from any generations earlier.
 
So again, and I love that you are ducking and dodging - You have concluded that the vast majority of african americans are also white americans and by doing so have rendered the term "black" useless.
That might not be as bad as Blacks always being portrayed, and used politically,as victims.

The President mentioned Ferguson, where the DOJ found no wrongdoing by the officer charged, and never mentioned places like Chicago, where hundreds of Blacks are being murdered by other Blacks. This hypocritical selective outrage is not doing either community any good. It's jusy turnng people on each other, with the new White Privilege concept being an example.
 
Yeah, you got a page full of anti-cop protests because that is what is currently in the news and being covered by the major networks.

"Beyond the data, there’s the anecdotal evidence. And in short, it’s easy to find examples of marches and demonstrations against crime. In the last four years, blacks have held community protests against violence in Chicago; New York; Newark, New Jersey; Pittsburgh; Saginaw, Michigan; and Gary, Indiana" (Black community is concerned with black-on-black crime: Suggesting otherwise is ignoring the facts.)

Look here as well, it includes a number of links to blacks people protesting black-on-black crime. (Why Don't Black People Protest 'Black-on-Black Violence'? - The Atlantic)

For NJ more recently look here (In Newark, an anti-violence rally takes over intersection | NJ.com) and Chicago look here (Anti-violence activists protest across city, including at Obama home - Chicago Tribune)

EDIT: And look here for more NJ black-on-black crime protests (Elizabeth anti-violence protesters stage die-in, while shots fired 2 miles away | NJ.com)

And while they may be categorized as anti-gun violence protests, we know that it is anti black-on-black crime as these places are majority black towns.
"About 200 people gathered and marched in Hyde Park and Kenwood Wednesday night, marching through the neighborhood and ending a short time after gathering in front of the Obama family home."

:lamo

Its a veritable STORM of protest.

And this one is a gem...

"While about 20 protesters blocked the street in front of police headquarters in a demonstration against violence, officers responded to a reported shooting elsewhere in the city." Awesome. 15 minutes after a handful staged a die-in, the bangers showed them how to do it right. And that was the end of THAT protest.

"Dorie Miller Housing Development residents were reluctant to join a protest march Saturday afternoon, but eventually, more than 50 people congregated in front of a makeshift memorial where 19-year-old Andre Blissitt of Indianapolis was shot and killed Tuesday night."

That tactic has been tried several times...posting the links to the enormous awareness and conscience movements across the country. The problem is...they show a group of 20 in 2007, 19 in 2008, 35 in 2006....they are weak, poorly attended, ineffective. Wahoo...6 people showed up carrying a placard somewhere...they 'care'.

:lamo
 
So again, and I love that you are ducking and dodging - You have concluded that the vast majority of african americans are also white americans and by doing so have rendered the term "black" useless.

That is your logic. If it's bizarre, and yeah it kind of is, that's no fault of my own. You made up this new standard by which we determine who is black and white.

By your logic - no one really is Black. This is not "liberal" logic - this is me corning a conservative and you are so inept now at arguing your own point that you have essentially become a broken record. Repeating yourself over and over again ad nauseam- but despite the rote rhetoric you are not really saying anything.

How sad.

Wow, you are really grasping at straws now! This is getting good... what else did I say now? Hang on, let me get some popcorn and you can continue. Or just smarten up and stop.
 
That might not be as bad as Blacks always being portrayed, and used politically,as victims.

The President mentioned Ferguson, where the DOJ found no wrongdoing by the officer charged, and never mentioned places like Chicago, where hundreds of Blacks are being murdered by other Blacks. This hypocritical selective outrage is not doing either community any good. It's jusy turnng people on each other, with the new White Privilege concept being an example.

Clearly the over-hype of black oppression is politically motivated. However, that has no bearing on the insanity of arguing Obama is not Black because his mother was white. His physical appearance alone voids that argument.

Now, are there people of mixed race who do not look Black? Yes. Would I classify them as not Black. Yes. Is the president on of them? No.
 
Clearly the over-hype of black oppression is politically motivated. However, that has no bearing on the insanity of arguing Obama is not Black because his mother was white. His physical appearance alone voids that argument.

Now, are there people of mixed race who do not look Black? Yes. Would I classify them as not Black. Yes. Is the president on of them? No.

Ah, so we judge what race you are (at least the left does) based on skin color, and screw your factual racial make up. Nice.
 
Ah, so we judge what race you are (at least the left does) based on skin color, and screw your factual racial make up. Nice.

Well, to get technical we are all human race. But, we do judge color on...color.
 
Well, speak for yourself on that one.

Well, you're free to judge color on genes...but, that would make you colorblind, something which I suspect you are not consistent.
 
Clearly the over-hype of black oppression is politically motivated. However, that has no bearing on the insanity of arguing Obama is not Black because his mother was white. His physical appearance alone voids that argument.

Now, are there people of mixed race who do not look Black? Yes. Would I classify them as not Black. Yes. Is the president on of them? No.
I agree 100% but also believe that too much s made of skin color. I'm on the side of MLK who had a dream that people should be judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.


Perhaps rather than skin color society should be looking at the differences in culture and how that might be play a role in people's lives. As we know there are many positive aspects of the Black culture which everyone loves (and the White side could use more of that!) but there is that dark side also, as mentioned earlier re Chicago.
 
He is the first Black president. Don't be obtuse.

That said, this whole "woe is the Black man in the US" thing is getting stale. If Blacks really gave a ****, they would stop killing each other.

I thought Bubba was the first black president. :lol:
 
Wow, you are really grasping at straws now! This is getting good... what else did I say now? Hang on, let me get some popcorn and you can continue. Or just smarten up and stop.

Oh. Look at you - your rebuttals are comprised of nothing but juvenile banter now. This is my first time bothering with you - but I've seen your previous "debates", if we can even call them that, you usually give up so easily and then hide behind feigned nonchalance. Nothing new here. I'll accept your concession that you said something stupid that would utterly render the terms "black" and "white" meaningless and that you acknowledge that you were called out on it.
 
Are you talking about people that are mostly black, and have other races mixed in? Because I am not. I am talking about Obama, touted as the first black president, who is just as much from the white race as he is from the black race.

In my opinion he is not the first back president, that is reserved for an actual majority black person that gets elected president.

Your opinion and a dollar and a half will get you a cup of coffee. In the United States, people self-identify as to race, within reason. If a person with a black parent identifies himself as "black", he's black, end of story.

End of story.
 
Oh. Look at you - your rebuttals are comprised of nothing but juvenile banter now. This is my first time bothering with you - but I've seen your previous "debates", if we can even call them that, you usually give up so easily and then hide behind feigned nonchalance. Nothing new here. I'll accept your concession that you said something stupid that would utterly render the terms "black" and "white" meaningless and that you acknowledge that you were called out on it.

Looks like you are the one that said something factually wrong, stupid to use your jargon, and you refuse to admit it and are, quite obviously, trying to twist the entire argument.

You know that I stated that Obama is as much white as he is black, you refused to accept that, because you so desperately want him to be just black, forget the white part. And you just can't bare to face the facts. You just make yourself look worse with every post.

So go ahead, take me to task, show me what I posted that was wrong, not the twists and turns that you are trying to attribute to me.
 
I'm not sure why February is Black History Month, but this is what I think of as relevant and important to commemorate and note when I think of Black History. Perhaps March would be a better month, so the history of this event and what led to it can be carried forward and discussed.

To those who question if President Obama is black because he has a white mother, that's just asinine in my view. Your entire ancestry is part of who you are and your heritage. My family traces back to English, Irish and French - perhaps why we fight so much - but all of it is part of all of us. It's petty to claim Obama isn't the first black President.

Perhaps the people in Ferguson, Missouri could take a cue from the people who marched to Selma, Alabama 50 years ago, in peace and harmony, with love in their hearts and no weapons in their hands or hate on their agenda. They might find some compromise and solutions if they did.

Great post CJ !!!!!
 
Looks like you are the one that said something factually wrong, stupid to use your jargon, and you refuse to admit it and are, quite obviously, trying to twist the entire argument.

I did no such thing, but if you can go ahead an quote my egregious and fallacious posts.

You know that I stated that Obama is as much white as he is black, you refused to accept that, because you so desperately want him to be just black, forget the white part. And you just can't bare to face the facts. You just make yourself look worse with every post.

Again I said no such thing - "I want obama to only be black", quote me on that.



So go ahead, take me to task, show me what I posted that was wrong, not the twists and turns that you are trying to attribute to me.

I already did take you to task.

I mean just look at the transformation. You went from bemoaning liberals to being a conservative cowering behind deflections. Good luck trying to make me look bad, but from my vantage point that person is you.
 
I already did take you to task.

I mean just look at the transformation. You went from bemoaning liberals to being a conservative cowering behind deflections. Good luck trying to make me look bad, but from my vantage point that person is you.

I'm not trying one bit, you're doing a great job on your own! LOL
 
Yep. Racism is cured. There is basically no such thing as racism anymore. /sarcasm

Oh there is. There is a whole party of political belief centered on how minorities cannot succeed without the help and guidance of rich white people. A whole political ideology that says "You are not smart enough, good enough or able to get ahead in life without our benevolent care, guidance and support."

I happen to find that ideology repugnant myself, but you... embrace it.
 
Oh there is. There is a whole party of political belief centered on how minorities cannot succeed without the help and guidance of rich white people. A whole political ideology that says "You are not smart enough, good enough or able to get ahead in life without our benevolent care, guidance and support."

I happen to find that ideology repugnant myself, but you... embrace it.

That's why blacks vote for dems. Because dems are racist against them and apparently African Americans are too stupid to know this. Nice spin. :lamo
 
Watching all the outrage that Obama is celebrating Black History Month really is amazing. :lol:

It's par for the course. The guy can't fart without DP's righties losing their collective ****.
 
That's why blacks vote for dems. Because dems are racist against them and apparently African Americans are too stupid to know this. Nice spin. :lamo

It's not spin, it's fear.

It's an immoral system IMHO:
"Vote for us, we'll give you free stuff and support because you can't do it on your own and those mean republicans will take it away"
Whole generations of blacks have come through the system being told that they CANNOT succeed or get by without the Government hand outs.

And that, is sad.
 
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