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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

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roguenuke said:
Spiders could easily crawl next to me while I change my clothes. In fact, it is more likely to have a spider in the women's locker room of a gym than a transgendered woman, especially one that could be easily identified as a "man".
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Don't argue minutia. We're talking about men in the women's locker room and where lines are crossed.

Leave the spiders to little miss muffet.
 
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roguenuke said:
You don't know that. There are plenty of women who are very masculine, and could look like her.
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I've met a large number of women in my life, some pretty, some not so much, some very feminine, not so much.

I've never met a woman who looks so obviously male.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

If you're going to claim that there is a such a thing as a woman, (a genuine woman, not a fake “trans woman”) who looks like that, then I think it's on you to prove it.
 
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roguenuke said:
The "big hairy ass dude in a dress" didn't even stick around long enough to see anyone, nor did she change in the changing room.
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That is immaterial-the woman was already freaked out, and she was really kicked out of the gym.
 
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So I was discussing this with a co-worker.

I was going to say that there's no "normal" pigeonhole to place transgendered persons in, which is why they are disturbing to many persons.

However, I started off with "there's no convenient slot..."







Lets just say that conversation did not go as planned...:lamo
 
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The Mark said:
Physical appearance and DNA do not determine who is male or female.
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Ahh DNA precisely DOES determine who is male or female. You can cut off or suture on anything you'd like-it does not change your genes.
 
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The Mark said:
How do you know this?
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It's common sense.

I'm a white middle-aged man. That is the unalterable reality of what I am. I have no ability to choose to be otherwise, and it would be madness to sincerely claim to be otherwise.

If I claimed to “identify” as black, no rational person would agree that I am black.

If I claimed to “identify” as a teenager, no rational person would agree that I am a teenager.

If I claimed to “identify” as a woman, no rational person would agree that I am a woman.

If I claimed to “identify” as a platypus, no rational person would agree that I am a platypus.

If I claimed to “identify” as a paramecium, no rational person would agree that I was a paramecium.

For some odd reason, certain elements of our society have demanded, and many of foolishly complied with this demand, that reason and common sense be thrown out with regard to “gender”, and that otherwise rational people must embrace what can only honestly be described as outright madness, by agreeing that a man who “identifies” as female is a woman.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I've met a large number of women in my life, some pretty, some not so much, some very feminine, not so much.

I've never met a woman who looks so obviously male.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

If you're going to claim that there is a such a thing as a woman, (a genuine woman, not a fake “trans woman”) who looks like that, then I think it's on you to prove it.
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Pretty much most female body builders look very masculine, especially with clothes on.

Nosa Irabor's Blog: 14 Incredible Very Muscular Women

Weird Pictures: Don't Mess With These Female Bodybuilders
 
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Eww..all that work to look awful.

Many of those women did not get like that naturally btw. Still, who the **** would date that? Just no.
 
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US Conservative said:
That is immaterial-the woman was already freaked out, and she was really kicked out of the gym.
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Four days later for refusing to stop harassing other gym members/guests about the policy, and claiming that the policy put women in danger by allowing people like the "man" she saw in the locker room (hanging up or picking up her purse) to enter the locker room. It is simply not true. She nor anyone else is in any more danger by allowing transgendered women in the locker room than by just allowing cisgendered women in the locker rooms.
 
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US Conservative said:
Because they take hormones or work their bodies until its own hormone production is altered.

Any other red herrings?
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Haha..exactly. She is trying to defeat an argument against transsexuals by referring to women that took hormones. She might as well not even bother if that is her argument.
 
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roguenuke said:
Four days later for refusing to stop harassing other gym members/guests about the policy, and claiming that the policy put women in danger by allowing people like the "man" she saw in the locker room (hanging up or picking up her purse) to enter the locker room. It is simply not true. She nor anyone else is in any more danger by allowing transgendered women in the locker room than by just allowing cisgendered women in the locker rooms.
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She wasn't harassing anyone-she was warning other women in the locker rooms.
 
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roguenuke said:
Pretty much most female body builders look very masculine, especially with clothes on.

Nosa Irabor's Blog: 14 Incredible Very Muscular Women

Weird Pictures: Don't Mess With These Female Bodybuilders
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Argumentum Ad Photoshop.

Not even a very good job of Photoshopping.

Looks like they mostly collected images of crack whores, and a few men, and photoshopped their heads on to female bodybuilders' bodies. The bodies, in spite of their musculature, are very obviously female, in a way that “Carlotta Sklodowska” very obviously is not. Don't know why they photoshopped different heads on to those bodies, but whatever the reason, it doesn't support your argument.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you've failed even to approach a standard of ordinary proof. The fact that you would even try to pass off such obvious fakery pretty well destroys your claim.
 
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Henrin said:
Haha..exactly. She is trying to defeat an argument against transsexuals by referring to women that took hormones. She might as well not even bother if that is her argument.
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She has a transgender sibling, these are the hoops she has to jump through.
I'd respect her more if she at least appeared to understand the validity of the other view.
Instead we get this.
 
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Henrin said:
Eww..all that work to look awful.

Many of those women did not get like that naturally btw. Still, who the **** would date that? Just no.
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US Conservative said:
Because they take hormones or work their bodies until its own hormone production is altered.

Any other red herrings?
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Henrin said:
Haha..exactly. She is trying to defeat an argument against transsexuals by referring to women that took hormones. She might as well not even bother if that is her argument.
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No amount of hormones, steroids, or working out would produce those results. Those are Photoshopped fakes.
 
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US Conservative said:
She wasn't harassing anyone-she was warning other women in the locker rooms.
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She was reported by other members for harassing them. And she was making a claim against a guest, that she was a danger to others, because she was able to enter the women's restroom but not born a woman.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Argumentum Ad Photoshop.

Not even a very good job of Photoshopping.

Looks like they mostly collected images of crack whores, and a few men, and photoshopped their heads on to female bodybuilders' bodies. The bodies, in spite of their musculature, are very obviously female, in a way that “Carlotta Sklodowska” very obviously is not. Don't know why they photoshopped different heads on to those bodies, but whatever the reason, it doesn't support your argument.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you've failed even to approach a standard of ordinary proof. The fact that you would even try to pass off such obvious fakery pretty well destroys your claim.
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Even if they are shopped, Ive seen others, and footage of competitions. There are women out there that look like this, or close to it.
 
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US Conservative said:
Because they take hormones or work their bodies until its own hormone production is altered.

Any other red herrings?
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Your point about hormones is the red herring, which you tossed in to cover the stench of your failing argument
 
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US Conservative said:
Because they take hormones or work their bodies until its own hormone production is altered.

Any other red herrings?
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They would still be allowed in the women's restrooms/locker rooms even if the policy was that you had to go into the one of the sex you were born as. Plenty of women might mistake any of those women for a man, especially in something other than a bikini.
 
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sangha said:
Your point about hormones is the red herring, which you tossed in to cover the stench of your failing argument
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You can't make rogues argument and then refer to another group of people that take hormones. You might as well be running in a circle.
 
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Transphobia (or much less commonly transprejudice) is a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings against transsexuality and transsexual or transgender people, based on the expression of their internal gender identity Sounds like many people in this thread.
 
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Henrin said:
You can't make rogues argument and then refer to another group of people that take hormones. You might as well be running in a circle.
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He knows. Their argument has no basis. They are just saying things now.

Where are the "rape culture" crowd on a man in the womens locker room?

Why was the ACTUAL woman slut-shamed for not being comfortable with this?

And whats with the sexist view that the only thing that makes a woman a woman being
a dress and makeup?
 
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Of course there is always Janet Reno. She really does look like a man, especially with that hair cut. (Number 8 on this list shows a good picture representing her masculinity.)

Ten Famous Women Who Might Be Men

In fact, a good number of these women are pretty hermaphroditic.
 
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US Conservative said:
He knows. Their argument has no basis. They are just saying things now.

Where are the "rape culture" crowd on a man in the womens locker room?

Why was the ACTUAL woman slut-shamed for not being comfortable with this?

And whats with the sexist view that the only thing that makes a woman a woman being
a dress and makeup?
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All of this, brought to you by the side that likes to falsely accuse those of us on the right of waging a “war on women”.
 
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US Conservative said:
He knows. Their argument has no basis. They are just saying things now.

Where are the "rape culture" crowd on a man in the womens locker room?

Why was the ACTUAL woman slut-shamed for not being comfortable with this?

And whats with the sexist view that the only thing that makes a woman a woman being
a dress and makeup?
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Who said the person had to wear a dress or makeup? Those are simply seen as things that are "feminine". It is why generally women who don't wear dresses or makeup (such as myself) are referred to as "tomboys".
 
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