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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

They are displaying irrational fear and sexism. Most men are not a danger to women. The vast majority of men are not a danger to women.

A man who claims to be female, and insists on going into women's dressing facilities, cannot be assumed to be harmless. Such behavior is prima facie proof that he is, at the very least, severely disturbed, and lacking in respect for appropriate social boundaries. If someone is so inclined to violate such boundaries to that extent, then there is no reason to assume that he will stop there.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

A man who claims to be female, and insists on going into women's dressing facilities, cannot be assumed to be harmless. Such behavior is prima facie proof that he is, at the very least, severely disturbed, and lacking in respect for appropriate social boundaries. If someone is so inclined to violate such boundaries to that extent, then there is no reason to assume that he will stop there.

Yes, she can. There is no evidence to say otherwise, not even statistics support another assumption as far as her threat level is concerned. It is simply irrational fear and misguided beliefs that cause people to get upset about this. There is no actual evidence that transgendered people using the restroom/locker room/changing room of their identified gender puts anyone in danger from them.
 
PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Yes, she can. There is no evidence to say otherwise, not even statistics support another assumption as far as her threat level is concerned. It is simply irrational fear and misguided beliefs that cause people to get upset about this. There is no actual evidence that transgendered people using the restroom/locker room/changing room of their identified gender puts anyone in danger from them.

There is nothing irrational at all irrational about my assumption;.

It already violates established and widely-accepted boundaries of decency for a man to be in a woman's locker room.

Any decent man would never go there. One who would, there's no rational reason to assume that he'll stop there, without crossing even farther into inappropriate behavior, if he thinks he can get away with it.


On another note, the sick pervert who started this particular controversy has reopened his Facebook page to public view. I invite anyone to view it for themselves, and see just what sort of sickness it is that you are defending.

https://www.facebook.com/carlotta.sklodowska

I have to admit that I had a bit of doubt when I saw this gem being passed around, but sure enough, there it is on his own web page, straight from the pervert's mouth.

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There is nothing irrational at all irrational about my assumption;.

It already violates established and widely-accepted boundaries of decency for a man to be in a woman's locker room.

Any decent man would never go there. One who would, there's no rational reason to assume that he'll stop there, without crossing even farther into inappropriate behavior, if he thinks he can get away with it.


On another note, the sick pervert who started this particular controversy has reopened his Facebook page to public view. I invite anyone to view it for themselves, and see just what sort of sickness it is that you are defending.

https://www.facebook.com/carlotta.sklodowska

Apparently his favorite books include "Sex Tips for Girls" and "Candy Girl: A Year in the Life of an Unlikely Stripper
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Disgusting.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Apparently his favorite books include "Sex Tips for Girls" and "Candy Girl: A Year in the Life of an Unlikely Stripper
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Disgusting.

And that's the sort of scumbag that Roguenuke, et. al. think should be allowed into the women's facilities where our mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, and such will be undressing and showering.

And it's we, on the right, who are often accused of waging a “war on women”.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

And that's the sort of scumbag that Roguenuke, et. al. think should be allowed into the women's facilities where our mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, and such will be undressing and showering.

And it's we, on the right, who are often accused of waging a “war on women”.

How can anyone say the actual woman had her membership revoked was wrong for not wanting to be around this guy?
"sex tips for girls"? Really?
 
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I am seeing an interesting/worrying possibility here.

How do you determined when someone who is physically male or female, yet claims to be mentally the opposite sex, a neutral sex, or something else.

Is telling the truth?

Would anyone lie about that?
A few, probably...


I see four options here.

  1. An individual is allowed in the restroom/changing room/group shower/whatever assigned to the sex they claim to be. This would of course include those who change sex randomly, at random times. Yes, they exist. Or at least according to an interview I heard on NPR, for whatever that's worth.
  2. No group showers/restrooms/etc.
  3. Everyone uses the same room, regardless of gender. Private rooms available for those who wish to use them.
  4. We discover a way to tell which sex a person is mentally, and let them use a restroom/changing room/whatever depending on what that may be.


That doesn't really help at all.


However, one thing I am fairly sure of - determining sex by physical attributes or even DNA is not an accurate method.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I am seeing an interesting/worrying possibility here.

How do you determined when someone who is physically male or female, yet claims to be mentally the opposite sex, a neutral sex, or something else.

Is telling the truth?

Would anyone lie about that?
A few, probably...


I see four options here.

  1. An individual is allowed in the restroom/changing room/group shower/whatever assigned to the sex they claim to be. This would of course include those who change sex randomly, at random times. Yes, they exist. Or at least according to an interview I heard on NPR, for whatever that's worth.
  2. No group showers/restrooms/etc.
  3. Everyone uses the same room, regardless of gender. Private rooms available for those who wish to use them.
  4. We discover a way to tell which sex a person is mentally, and let them use a restroom/changing room/whatever depending on what that may be.


That doesn't really help at all.


However, one thing I am fairly sure of - determining sex by physical attributes or even DNA is not an accurate method.

We could simply not care. Provide separate restrooms/changing rooms/locker rooms for the genders/sexes, and possibly a third one for families (as several places have, especially for restrooms), and simply allow anyone to enter. The vast majority of people will use the room designated for their gender/sex. Why? Because that is what they are used to. Because that is what they feel most comfortable using. It isn't about the people around us either. You could leave someone alone, being the only person in the entire building, and they would still use the restroom/changing room designated for the gender/sex they identify as because that is what we are used to and therefore feel most comfortable with, people being grouped by "gender/sex" in certain things. But we also recognize, if only subconsciously, that this identification when it comes to others is based almost exclusively on physical attributes and assumptions others make about the physical aspects of others. This is why I will always direct people to the "designated" fitting room at my work based on how they present themselves, despite knowing that they can use either one without even having to identify as the sex they are entering.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

We could simply not care. Provide separate restrooms/changing rooms/locker rooms for the genders/sexes, and possibly a third one for families (as several places have, especially for restrooms), and simply allow anyone to enter. The vast majority of people will use the room designated for their gender/sex. Why? Because that is what they are used to. Because that is what they feel most comfortable using. It isn't about the people around us either. You could leave someone alone, being the only person in the entire building, and they would still use the restroom/changing room designated for the gender/sex they identify as because that is what we are used to and therefore feel most comfortable with, people being grouped by "gender/sex" in certain things. But we also recognize, if only subconsciously, that this identification when it comes to others is based almost exclusively on physical attributes and assumptions others make about the physical aspects of others. This is why I will always direct people to the "designated" fitting room at my work based on how they present themselves, despite knowing that they can use either one without even having to identify as the sex they are entering.

YOU dont care. You have said your family member is transgender.

That does not mean others dont.
 
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YOU dont care. You have said your family member is transgender.

That does not mean others dont.

I haven't cared since before I found out I had a transgendered sibling.

And so what if others care? They need to get over it. If they can't handle changes in societal norms, that is their problem. They will adapt or not. It likely won't change their lives that much for that long. Society changes. Social norms change. It is part of life.
 
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I haven't cared since before I found out I had a transgendered sibling.

And so what if others care? They need to get over it. If they can't handle changes in societal norms, that is their problem. They will adapt or not. It likely won't change their lives that much for that long. Society changes. Social norms change. It is part of life.

So your premise is that somehow you are the arbiter of who has legitimate concerns, and in this case, its not the people concerned about the husky man with the dress hanging out in the womens locker room?
 
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So your premise is that somehow you are the arbiter of who has legitimate concerns, and in this case, its not the people concerned about the husky man with the dress hanging out in the womens locker room?

What about the husky woman in a overalls hanging out in the women's locker room?
 
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What about the gay guy hanging out in the mens sauna?

There you go. So what's the big deal about the husky man in a woman's dress?
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

So your premise is that somehow you are the arbiter of who has legitimate concerns, and in this case, its not the people concerned about the husky man with the dress hanging out in the womens locker room?

A legitimate concern would have to be based on some sort of evidence that a person is a danger to others, not simply beliefs based on personal biases and stereotypes and comfort zones. This is why we put sex offenders on sex offender lists, but not simply your neighbor, all teachers and coaches, you, homosexuals, transgendered people in general, those without children over a certain age, people who are past 50 and never married, or all Asians. Because there is no evidence that any of these groups actually are a danger to people, while there is evidence that those convicted of sex related offenses are a potential danger to other people.
 
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A legitimate concern would have to be based on some sort of evidence that a person is a danger to others, not simply beliefs based on personal biases and stereotypes and comfort zones. This is why we put sex offenders on sex offender lists, but not simply your neighbor, all teachers and coaches, you, homosexuals, transgendered people in general, those without children over a certain age, people who are past 50 and never married, or all Asians. Because there is no evidence that any of these groups actually are a danger to people, while there is evidence that those convicted of sex related offenses are a potential danger to other people.

Listen to yourself-"legitimate concerns", "so what", "they need to get over it". :doh
Other people see things differently than you. Do you want some beardo glaring through your window while you shower?
 
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Listen to yourself-"legitimate concerns", "so what", "they need to get over it". :doh
Other people see things differently than you. Do you want some beardo glaring through your window while you shower?

And if it is their shower, restroom, locker room, they are free to not allow people in. There are some states where they wouldn't have a choice, but very few. Even if this changes, you could simply just make your gym completely private, like the YMCA. Then you get to make that determination for yourself, especially if you can state the separation as a religious tenet. Or you could just simply change/shower at home.

Why would someone who is uncomfortable with their body or not okay with pretty much anybody seeing them naked leave their window open while they were naked in their tub? Hell, why in the hell would you put a window in your bathroom if you are that uncomfortable with such things? Not that I think its okay for someone to be a "peeping Tom", but then I also judge people on their intent. They could have simply been looking to see if anyone was home, because who knows perhaps they ran over the cat, and not realized that the person was stupid enough to leave the window wide open in their bathroom while buck naked.

I actually went around topless more often than not at home while I was breastfeeding my first son. My husband would be more concerned about people seeing me than I was. I really don't care. It is just a breast and much more convenient to leave it out to feed the baby when first starting out than to constantly be putting it back into a bra. Heck, it wasn't really that comfortable to have anything touching them at that time.

Of course, no one has yet to explain to me why someone who is uncomfortable with the possibility of certain people seeing them naked can't just use a private stall. If someone actually purposely goes out of their way to then see your naked body, you have a legitimate claim of being harassed, no matter the sex, gender, sexual orientation, etc. of that person. It even works the other way too. Or you could simply find a gym that doesn't hold such a policy. Instead of complaining that the gym you go to, but you don't own has this policy.
 
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Im not a woman. I can see why they'd feel unsafe.

I am, and I can't. They are being irrational. Good thing most women aren't actually like these women who have shown how sexist they can be.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Listen to yourself-"legitimate concerns", "so what", "they need to get over it". :doh
Other people see things differently than you. Do you want some beardo glaring through your window while you shower?

If they don't like it, they can go to another gym
 
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Im not a woman. I can see why they'd feel unsafe.

All I am saying is that a woman could pose a the same type of danger as a man.
 
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I am, and I can't. They are being irrational. Good thing most women aren't actually like these women who have shown how sexist they can be.

I'd love to bring you in behind a man that just strolls into a womens locker room.

You can explain to the police and the women why its not a problem, and that they are being irrational. :roll:
 
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I'd love to bring you in behind a man that just strolls into a womens locker room.

You can explain to the police and the women why its not a problem, and that they are being irrational. :roll:

Some transgendered women have been able to win beauty pageants and you would have a hard time telling them from a genetic woman. What if such a transgendered woman was in a woman's locker room?
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

All I am saying is that a woman could pose a the same type of danger as a man.

Oh I absolutely know, the stats on female abuse are stunning. And even if they aren't as strong as men generally, they are still pretty strong.
 
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