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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

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And the guy wasn't transgender and a woman could just as easily do the same thing. The real solution? Don't make open stalls where those people can be seen while inside actually changing.

No, the solution is, don't create a problem in the first place.
 
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No, the solution is, don't create a problem in the first place.

There is always going to be a problem. Either the problem will be in the men's locker room or the women's locker room. And there is no real reason why they can't simply go in the locker room they identify as, particularly if you don't see their parts at all while they are in there (which was the case here).
 
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*CRICKETS*
Nobody has answered this still, what should PF have done after the lady complained and then they informed her of her equality policy?

At the very least, they should have apologized, and immediately refunded her money. But really, they shouldn't have such a stupid policy in the first place.
 
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These qoutes of hers really does sum up this lady perfectly:

“This is about me and how I felt unsafe. I should feel safe in there.”

"I don’t care what you are; I don’t care if you’re gay, lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom.”
Yes, they do. They reveal her for the reasonable woman she is.
 
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At the very least, they should have apologized, and immediately refunded her money. But really, they shouldn't have such a stupid policy in the first place.

No. She broke the rules by harassing other gym members for 4 days then refusing to stop. I think they should have refunded that month's gym membership fee (which should be able $10 for Planet Fitness) and any prepaid membership fees if she had simply said "well then I don't want to be a member of this gym anymore". But that isn't what she did. She threw essentially a tantrum, making it her personal crusade to talk crap about a transgendered woman who she only saw once, and it wasn't even while either of them was naked or half dressed (from the reports I have seen).
 
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1.)i'll be blunt.
2.)Society we live in separates the sexes, not the "gender".
3.)transgenderism, is a disorder and a delusion. Others should not have to suffer to accommodate those suffering from a mental issue.
4.)Personally if an adult is happier modifying themselves to mimic the other gender, all the power to them. I also support the businesses rights to deal with that as they wish.
5.)But neither the "gym" or the lady, are in the wrong here imo.
6.) And if the "gym" had told the transdgendered that they COULDN'T use that locker room, they would be within thier rights.

1.) please do
2.) sometimes they do sometimes the dont. but since you brought this up can you tell us the difference and support that claim.
3.) your meaningless opinion that is not relevant to the topic. Does this mean handicap people should not be allowed in the restroom too? or anybody thats been diagnosed as bi-polar, manic depressive etc? oh wait, even though its just your OPINION that transgender is a delusion and mental disorder let me guess. Those other mental disorders are magically ok right? lol
4.) good thats what this person and PF did.
5.) the lady is in the wrong for her bigotry, not the initial complaint, not disagreeing but her bigotry.
6.) yes in this case that is true
 
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1.)At the very least, they should have apologized
2.) and immediately refunded her money.
3.)But really, they shouldn't have such a stupid policy in the first place.

1.) who said they didn't apologize? also she obviously wouldnt have been happy with that
2.) no need to refund her money, but they could have offered if they wanted to.
3.) its only your opinion its stupid. Where should the transgender go?
 
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Yes, they do. They reveal her for the reasonable woman she is.

yes resonable women think its all about them, they own the locker room, transgenders are a dangerous and that thier "feelings" should make the rules for a company they dont own LMAO
sounds very reasonable

what if there was a person that felt exactly the same about the woman in question? whould that be reasonable too?
 
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Do they still sell google glass? I have an idea! ;)

see like i said, it will be a entertaining story and unlike the person in the OP, you will be breaking the law
 
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1.) please do
2.) sometimes they do sometimes the dont. but since you brought this up can you tell us the difference and support that claim.


One has a pee pee, the other does not, simply cutting off or adding a pee pee doesn't change the sex you are. "gender" is a psychobable construct designed to confuse and obsfucate hard biology.

3.) your meaningless opinion that is not relevant to the topic. Does this mean handicap people should not be allowed in the restroom too? or anybody thats been diagnosed as bi-polar, manic depressive etc? oh wait, even though its just your OPINION that transgender is a delusion and mental disorder let me guess. Those other mental disorders are magically ok right? lol


One is male, thinks they are female, they aren't though, sorry, run what you brung, play the hand you are dealt and all that.


4.) good thats what this person and PF did.

I have no problem with PF, as I said, I was shocked they had "mens" locker rooms at all.

It should be up to the business. Same with if they wanted to exclude the irish, mexicans, blacks or whites specifically. It should be up to the business.


5.) the lady is in the wrong for her bigotry, not the initial complaint, not disagreeing but her bigotry.

Bull****, she like others, simply doesn't accept the PC bull**** thats forced down our throats.... what bigotry? specifically.


6.) yes in this case that is true


I think the societal acceptable answer is from a business standpoint, would be to add "gender neutral" locker rooms, etc/
 
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see like i said, it will be a entertaining story and unlike the person in the OP, you will be breaking the law



Why? Why would I be "breaking the law"? specifically/. (ok forget the google glass).
 
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1.) One has a pee pee, the other does not, simply cutting off or adding a pee pee doesn't change the sex you are. "gender" is a psychobable construct designed to confuse and obsfucate hard biology.
2.)One is male, thinks they are female, they aren't though, sorry, run what you brung, play the hand you are dealt and all that.
3.)I have no problem with PF, as I said, I was shocked they had "mens" locker rooms at all.
4.) It should be up to the business. Same with if they wanted to exclude the irish, mexicans, blacks or whites specifically. It should be up to the business.
5.)Bull****, she like others, simply doesn't accept the PC bull**** thats forced down our throats.... what bigotry? specifically.
6.)I think the societal acceptable answer is from a business standpoint, would be to add "gender neutral" locker rooms, etc/

1.) interesting, so **** everything else lets just go by your opinions
2.) more meaningless opinions that the medical and science field arent on board with
3.) thats good and i never said you did
4.) well luckily thats not how this country works because people have rights
5.) you can call it bull**** all you want fact remains its bigotry. The assumption that the transgender makes it unsafe is bigotry. I always laugh at the forced down our throats line , its very telling. nothing is being forced down your throat.
6.) so add a 3rd locker room for who? what does this fix based of the lady;s concern, why is that locker room not a safety risk by the same standards some of stated here?
 
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Why? Why would I be "breaking the law"? specifically/. (ok forget the google glass).

you can't video record people in the locker room, that would be a violation of privacy.
A super kick ass lawyer might be able to get you off if you NEVER showed anybody and there was never any intent but to use it for yourself . . . maybe . but thats like TV super lawyer there lol
 
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Do they still sell google glass? I have an idea! ;)

If this were legal to do now, then why haven't more men simply hired women to go into the women's changing rooms/locker rooms, wearing these glasses or simply recording the women in there for them? Hell, some women could simply do it, for either their own pleasure or to make a buck off of it.
 
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1.) interesting, so **** everything else lets just go by your opinions

From Disorder to Dysphoria: Transgender Identity and the DSM-V | Articles | dot429
Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is
Paul McHugh: Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution - WSJ


I can give you thousands of these, but I would be wasting my time, I think.

2.) more meaningless opinions that the medical and science field arent on board with

See above.


3.) thats good and i never said you did
4.) well luckily thats not how this country works because people have rights

Oh wait, so now YOU want to "discriminate" or allow businesses to "discriminate" if they want to the transgendered, but not the irish?

Whats the difference in YOUR mind?


5.) you can call it bull**** all you want fact remains its bigotry. The assumption that the transgender makes it unsafe is bigotry. I always laugh at the forced down our throats line , its very telling. nothing is being forced down your throat.

This is something you made up in your head.

If it's biologically a male, it should go in the mens room, and vice versa, unless the business decides otherwise, holding such an opinion is not bigotry, you seemed to agree with me for a moment. What happened?


6.) so add a 3rd locker room for who? what does this fix based of the lady;s concern, why is that locker room not a safety risk by the same standards some of stated here?


Dunno, Just telling you what I think society as a whole would accept. Remember I don't actually care.
 
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From Disorder to Dysphoria: Transgender Identity and the DSM-V | Articles | dot429
Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is
Paul McHugh: Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution - WSJ

I can give you thousands of these, but I would be wasting my time, I think.

See above.

Oh wait, so now YOU want to "discriminate" or allow businesses to "discriminate" if they want to the transgendered, but not the irish?

Whats the difference in YOUR mind?

This is something you made up in your head.

If it's biologically a male, it should go in the mens room, and vice versa, unless the business decides otherwise, holding such an opinion is not bigotry, you seemed to agree with me for a moment. What happened?

Dunno, Just telling you what I think society as a whole would accept. Remember I don't actually care.

Wanted to point out that from your articles, you essentially have one conservative psychiatrist who agrees with you, despite having three articles pertaining to transgenderism. Dr. Paul McHugh is the one who wrote the article for the Wall Street Journal link and the one mentioned in the first article as working at Johns Hopkins. He has a history of being biased against gay and transgendered people.

The Wall Street Journal displays shocking ignorance about LGBTQ issues.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

From Disorder to Dysphoria: Transgender Identity and the DSM-V | Articles | dot429
Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is
Paul McHugh: Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution - WSJ

1.)I can give you thousands of these, but I would be wasting my time, I think.
2.)See above.
3.)Oh wait, so now YOU want to "discriminate" or allow businesses to "discriminate" if they want to the transgendered, but not the irish?
4.)Whats the difference in YOUR mind?
5.)This is something you made up in your head.
6.)If it's biologically a male, it should go in the mens room, and vice versa
7.) unless the business decides otherwise
8.) holding such an opinion is not bigotry
9.) you seemed to agree with me for a moment. What happened?
10.)Dunno, Just telling you what I think society as a whole would accept. Remember I don't actually care.

1.) yes you would be because i could give you NEWER ones and a 1001 that disagree along with ors like apa etc :shrug:
I wonder how many articles we could find saying alzheimer's, sexual orientation, bi-polar etc were thought to wrongly be something else? lol
I could find stuff that says you never operate on the heart too.
2.) yes see above
3.) wow you like to make a lot of stuff up huh LMAO
can you quote where i said "i" want to allow anything. I have not made comment about such an issue to you.
4.) now this i can answer, there is no different in my mind based on facts, Neither should be discriminated against.
5.) yes i agree the safety issue was made up in peoples heads and its silly and bigoted.
6.) opinion
7.) currently it is up to them in many areas
8.) never called that opinion bigoted, not once
9.) i still agree, "feeling" transgender should be somewhere else is not bigoted, thinking they impact safety is bigoted
10.) gotcha so you dont really have a solution then just throwing spaghetti, maybe some of the people with the bigoted views and totally up in arms about this can answer
 
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1.) yes you would be because i could give you NEWER ones and a 1001 that disagree along with ors like apa etc :shrug:
I wonder how many articles we could find saying alzheimer's, sexual orientation, bi-polar etc were thought to wrongly be something else? lol
I could find stuff that says you never operate on the heart too.
2.) yes see above
3.) wow you like to make a lot of stuff up huh LMAO
can you quote where i said "i" want to allow anything. I have not made comment about such an issue to you.
4.) now this i can answer, there is no different in my mind based on facts, Neither should be discriminated against.
5.) yes i agree the safety issue was made up in peoples heads and its silly and bigoted.
6.) opinion
7.) currently it is up to them in many areas
8.) never called that opinion bigoted, not once
9.) i still agree, "feeling" transgender should be somewhere else is not bigoted, thinking they impact safety is bigoted
10.) gotcha so you dont really have a solution then just throwing spaghetti, maybe some of the people with the bigoted views and totally up in arms about this can answer





again, not PC, if your a d00d who thinks your a girl, to the point you want to do sex surgery, you are suffering from a delusion.

and "Sex reasignment surgery" is false advertising, doods that become girls and vice versa have superficial plumbing changes. no ovaries. uterus, et al. no prostate for the others.

It's really just for looks to satisfy a delusion..


Forcing others to accept your delusion, really isn't the answer to me. AS far as your "scientists", err psychologists, as seen here, what they claim as "proof" is always theory.
 
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1.)again, not PC, if your a d00d who thinks your a girl, to the point you want to do sex surgery, you are suffering from a delusion.
2.)and "Sex reassignment surgery" is false advertising, doods that become girls and vice versa have superficial plumbing changes. no ovaries. uterus, et al. no prostate for the others.
3.)It's really just for looks to satisfy a delusion..
4.) Forcing others to accept your delusion, really isn't the answer to me.
5.) AS far as your "scientists", err psychologists, as seen here, what they claim as "proof" is always theory.

1.) if you say so but many orgs and PhDs and common current practice disagree
2.) meaningless to the topic but yes you just cant give a guy ovaries. some women dont have them either or get them removed :shrug: gain meanignless to the topic
3.) see #1
4.) there is no force and nobody has to "accept" it
5.) they arent mine they just are
 
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1.) if you say so but many orgs and PhDs and common current practice disagree
2.) meaningless to the topic but yes you just cant give a guy ovaries. some women dont have them either or get them removed :shrug: gain meanignless to the topic
3.) see #1
4.) there is no force and nobody has to "accept" it
5.) they arent mine they just are





So... uhm which public bathrooms should the transgendered use?

If you are biologically the opposite, isn't demanding to use the wrong bathroom forcing your delusion on others?
 
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So you have seen a girl at the gym? As in a small girl? If you haven't seen a boy at the gym, then why would you assume that there are children at all in the women's locker rooms? There isn't likely to be girls at the gym if there are no boys at the gym. (Now, I've seen young boys and young girls at the gyms I've been to, but those have also been on base gyms.)

When did I say that I have seen girls at the gym?

She is no more protected from those things by banning men than by allowing them in. No one has shown any evidence that men and women sharing public, monitored (attendant or people nearby) locker rooms protects women more than just allowing women in there. This is especially true when the main method of determining if someone is male or female is observation. There is not a pecker checker at the door. They don't do DNA testing to determine if someone has male or female chromosomes. They don't even ask for an ID that shows legal sex before anyone may enter the locker rooms.

You wouldn't mind... fine. Got it. Many do. You feel safe getting naked in a group of men. Great. Got it. Most women don't. That is why they are covering themselves and changing out of view. Hell... you are arguing to just strip wherever and whenever because statistics show that you are safe. Great. Got it. Problem is that many, and I, have valid opinions. We don't want to change in front of the opposite gender. Basically... get over it.

No. She is being called a "bigot" because of her reaction to her own discomfort about the transgendered woman being in the locker room. It is her reaction, her assumptions that a transgendered woman, who may still physically be a man, is a higher threat to her or other women than another woman using that locker room is without any actual evidence of this. It would be the same as saying that allowing black women into the locker room makes her uncomfortable because she views them as a higher threat to her than white or Asian women. There is no evidence of this being true, but she still believes it. And if she reacted in a similar fashion to the gym "allowing" blacks in the locker room she uses, she would have no support and be called out for her bigotry right away.

Wrong. She doesn't want a "MAN" in the woman's locker room. Show a quote of hers complaining solely about her disapproving of a transgendered person and you will have a point... until then you should really stop this line of argument because you are 100% wrong.

The reaction to the discomfort is where she becomes bigoted, not the discomfort itself.

Excuse me but that is crap. You guys are arguing that it is the discomfort. Everybody reacts and if you are claiming that she did not want a transgendered in but did not complain about it that THAT would make her not guilty of bigotry that is retarded... people are bigots regardless of their expressing it.

She is not a bigot for disliking a transgendered in there but she is a bigot because she "Expressed it"?
 
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1.)So... uhm which public bathrooms should the transgendered use?
2.)If you are biologically the opposite, isn't demanding to use the wrong bathroom forcing your delusion on others?

1.) thats the question i asked you and you avoided cause you said you don't care. I am personally fine with those who are making the journey to be a woman using woman facilities and vice versa. So whats your answe
2.) of course not how could it be? interracial marriage exists right now, do people still not accept it? yes. Thats because there is ZERO force to accept it just like this
 
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*CRICKETS*
Nobody has answered this still, what should PF have done after the lady complained and then they informed her of her equality policy?
Evacuate the changing room and call in a demolition team to blow it up.
 
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So its okay for that "creepy male pedophile" to be in the men's changing room, with young boys? Because essentially, that is what you are saying. That man could still leer at children (boys) and make them feel uncomfortable. And anyone can make anyone else feel uncomfortable, even when they don't do anything at all.

Under Planet Fitness's insane gender identity neutral policy, I don't suppose it matters. He could go into either locker room and molest children. Personally, I would not allow a known pedophile in either locker room. I would not allow a cross dresser in either. My concern is for the majority of the members....not the rare freaky pervert that walks in.
 
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We can hope that this will bring us finally to a much-needed turning point. As a society, we have made a great deal of “progress” (for wrong-wing values of that word) toward accepting and embracing all manner of sexual deviance, perversion, and immorality.

It's easy to accept any evil, if one doesn't expect to be affected directly by it.

But I think it will always be the case that most women are never going to be comfortable having strange men present where they are undressing; and as more and more women realize that accepting the sickness and madness of “transgenderism” means accepting that men (and not even normal men, at that, but men who are overtly sexual deviants of a disturbing sort) being allowed into their dressing areas; I think more and more women are going to become much less accepting of this particular sickness. And along with these women, so will turn the opinions of their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, and other men who care about the well-being of the women in their lives.

Men pretending to be women, and being allowed into women's dressing areas, I hope and expect, will be the bridge too far for the pervert-rights movement; that will turn the tide of public opinion away from the madness and evil that it has been embracing, and back in the direction of common sense and common decency.

The funny thing is that it was not all that long ago that the politically correct left was up in arms over men invading womens personal space. Political correctness seems to be evolving at insane levels.
 
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