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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Actually it is, even if they aren't the one naked other women will be changing in there and may not want a man in the locker room. You don't get to dictate what someone else should be comfortable with. Fact remains they are a man in a women's locker room, and it's not an unreasonable discomfort for women to feel uncomfortable with a male in there where they may be changing.

Doesn't matter. And they have no right to be "comfortable" every minute they are in the locker room. There are plenty of women who are uncomfortable getting naked around other women, seeing other women naked, or having other women stare at them. Not saying they don't feel uncomfortable, only that it is irrational for them to feel in danger and unreasonable for anyone to believe that their comfort takes any kind of precedence to other people's right to be in a restroom/locker room.
 
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Yes I am sure I am hahahah. Upset initially, yes maybe, after it was explained to her thats that. If she don't like it tough. Her bigotry doesn't get to make the rules as she found out.

It's not bigotry. It's a man in the woman's locker room.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Yes, just like “morality is relative”.

Solid digestive waste from a male bovine.

Morality is relative, whether you want to recognize it or not.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

It's not bigotry. It's a man in the woman's locker room.

Which the owners of the gym allow. Don't like it, don't go back to the gym. That simple.
 
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I'll say it again, as a woman I would in fact be caught off guard and concerned if I didn't know about the policy even though I know myself and I would have read them since I'm paying money to join. I would have observed if the situation needed it, and I probably would have went to the front desk to find out what was going on. Once I was told that the front desk is aware and the person was a transgender I would have been perfectly fine with the situation. What's the concern after that? If I feel uncomfortable I can not go in when they are in there, change at home or in a bathroom stall, change in the private changing stalls or not go to that gym. What I wouldn't do is think that the company has to listen to me and do what I say and think its about me, nor would I think safety was an issue since transgenders are no more dangerous than anybody else.
 
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It's not bigotry. It's a man in the woman's locker room.

It is bigotry because she assumes the transgender person is dangerous or they impact safety. That is in fact bigotry.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Which the owners of the gym allow. Don't like it, don't go back to the gym. That simple.

Yes, Planet Fitness is free to be idiotic in the extreme, and the woman is right to be upset about it. So you think this moronic policy is going to be good for business?
 
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Morality is relative, whether you want to recognize it or not.

This is where that error leads.

Without an objective standard, “morality” becomes meaningless. Just a way for anyone to declare that what he wants to do or defend is “moral”, and that what he doesn't want to do or defend is “immoral”.
 
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Yes, Planet Fitness is free to be idiotic in the extreme, and the woman is right to be upset about it. So you think this moronic policy is going to be good for business?

Pervert Fitness will surely gain a lion's share of the “creepy old men who like to dress up as women and go into the women's locker room” crowd. Do you think that will make up for the female customers that they will lose over such a policy? Me, neither.
 
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It is bigotry because she assumes the transgender person is dangerous or they impact safety. That is in fact bigotry.

No, it is cautious to be wary of people with mental disorders. Contrary to popular mythology, libs don't get to make up definitions for words. They still have meaning, in spite of your best attempts. Furthermore, there is no way to distinguish a real "transgender", from a pervert simply exploiting this idiotic policy.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

This is literally a stupid post. Almost 100% across the board.

I didn't say you claimed he was dangerous so yes you are making stuff up.

Then you write very poorly because you said: Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect. The rest of your post is just obnoxious.

The topic is "assuming danger" and you follow that with a sentence about me with more about danger... you talk about hate and bigotry and then immediately make a statement about how I don't care about them...THEN you make a third sentence that changes the point/topic.

What I did say is that it is obvious you don't care about transgender people.

My comments here have nothing to do with the guy being a transgendered individual and everything about being a man. Your assumptions on how I view transgendered people are based off of nothing... you are just making **** up because I have not made any comments about them other than positive ones.

ALso I still have never called you a hateful bigot, but you are free to keep repeating try to make a point on it even though it never happened.

That is why I used the term, "implied". Look it up. Dictionaries on the Internet are easy to find and use.
SO yes your argument is woefully lacking intellectually since you made it up. hahahaha

Yes I already know that stuff you are making up is insipid and odious tripe. Feel free to discuss what I really said though.

Seriously? This is like a second-rate third-grade come back.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

No, it isn't. There is no "danger" of any kind to the woman for a "man" or transgendered woman being there. A woman can look at her, stare at her, cat call her, bother her, leer at her, or anything else a "man" or transgendered woman "might" do.

For **** sake... the term was "protecting" as in protecting her from any of the situations that I mentioned. Yes, a woman or a child can do that stuff too but if you don't understand the difference between that and a man then I don't know what to say. That being said who the **** cares because a man should not be in a woman's locker room. I don't give a flying **** about some the opinions out there that act as if changing in front of other genders is not a big deal... most people I would say think that it is a big deal and that is why they go to their respective locker rooms and not the opposite gender's locker room. If a woman does not want a man in her locker room because she feels it isn't safe that is valid because men do in fact do things that are unsafe to women. The fact that it probably will be absolutely fine is irrelevant.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

It's not bigotry. It's a man in the woman's locker room.

What I love is how she is insulting this woman, slandering her according to Layla's logic, after Layla accused this woman of slandering the transgendered man. :lol:

...and we are witnessing a classic tactic, Attack those that disagree with you. She disagrees with this woman so she calls her a bigot. The woman has to defend bigotry accusations when the entire point is NOT about a transgendered man in the woman's room... it is just about a man in the woman's room.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

If I feel uncomfortable I can not go in when they are in there, change at home or in a bathroom stall, change in the private changing stalls or not go to that gym.

Wow. And here you are admonishing her for bigotry when you are exibiting bigotry yourself! WTF? :lol:

LaylaWindu
It is bigotry because she assumes the transgender person is dangerous or they impact safety. That is in fact bigotry.

You argue that there is no danger or issues of safety and if you do argue that there is it is bigotry...

... Ooooops, Bodi got you. :lol:

Let's see how you try to get out of this one.
 
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So its okay for that "creepy male pedophile" to be in the men's changing room, with young boys? Because essentially, that is what you are saying. That man could still leer at children (boys) and make them feel uncomfortable. And anyone can make anyone else feel uncomfortable, even when they don't do anything at all.

I have never EVER seen a "boy" at the gym... ever.
 
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...and we are witnessing a classic tactic, Attack those that disagree with you. She disagrees with this woman so she calls her a bigot.

As I said before, it's a standard wrong-wing defense of any otherwise indefensible argument—just claim that any who oppose that argument are bigots, and that any opposition to the failing argument is based on bigotry.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Not one person has made that claim that know of.

You have repeatedly... she feels uncomfortable that a man is in the female locker room and you are calling her a bigot because of it.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

As I said before, it's a standard wrong-wing defense of any otherwise indefensible argument—just claim that any who oppose that argument are bigots, and that any opposition to the failing argument is based on bigotry.

Agreed 100%
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You argue that there is no danger or issues of safety and if you do argue that there is it is bigotry...

... Ooooops, Bodi got you. :lol:

Let's see how you try to get out of this one.

Don't you know that calling out a wrong-winger on her blatant inconsistency is an act of bigotry?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

That person had just as much right to be there as she did since that is a decision of Planet Fitness's and not here. Her "concerns" don't need addressed and her concerns are what is sad. Her concern was there was a man in there, her concerned was addressed when the front desk told her that they know and he is transgender. Any concerns after that are of her own invention. She has nothing to successfully sue on but I'd like to see her try. I'm sure some hateful group will back her and pay for it.

No a man has no right to a women's locker room.
Nope her concerns of not having men in a womens locker room are 100% valid.

nope they failed to provide a safe area for her to change her clothes.

she does see above.
nope no such thing as a hate group for not wanting men in womens locker rooms.

If I heard of a man in my daughters locker room I would file a protest with the school and call the police to arrest the kid.
no boy or man has a right to be in a locker room full of women.

however this is the way of a morally bankrupt society.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Planet Fitness can also solve this controversy by creating a third locker room for transvestites...
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

For **** sake... the term was "protecting" as in protecting her from any of the situations that I mentioned. Yes, a woman or a child can do that stuff too but if you don't understand the difference between that and a man then I don't know what to say. That being said who the **** cares because a man should not be in a woman's locker room. I don't give a flying **** about some the opinions out there that act as if changing in front of other genders is not a big deal... most people I would say think that it is a big deal and that is why they go to their respective locker rooms and not the opposite gender's locker room. If a woman does not want a man in her locker room because she feels it isn't safe that is valid because men do in fact do things that are unsafe to women. The fact that it probably will be absolutely fine is irrelevant.

She is no more protected from those things by banning men than by allowing them in. No one has shown any evidence that men and women sharing public, monitored (attendant or people nearby) locker rooms protects women more than just allowing women in there. This is especially true when the main method of determining if someone is male or female is observation. There is not a pecker checker at the door. They don't do DNA testing to determine if someone has male or female chromosomes. They don't even ask for an ID that shows legal sex before anyone may enter the locker rooms.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I have never EVER seen a "boy" at the gym... ever.

So you have seen a girl at the gym? As in a small girl? If you haven't seen a boy at the gym, then why would you assume that there are children at all in the women's locker rooms? There isn't likely to be girls at the gym if there are no boys at the gym. (Now, I've seen young boys and young girls at the gyms I've been to, but those have also been on base gyms.)
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You have repeatedly... she feels uncomfortable that a man is in the female locker room and you are calling her a bigot because of it.

No. She is being called a "bigot" because of her reaction to her own discomfort about the transgendered woman being in the locker room. It is her reaction, her assumptions that a transgendered woman, who may still physically be a man, is a higher threat to her or other women than another woman using that locker room is without any actual evidence of this. It would be the same as saying that allowing black women into the locker room makes her uncomfortable because she views them as a higher threat to her than white or Asian women. There is no evidence of this being true, but she still believes it. And if she reacted in a similar fashion to the gym "allowing" blacks in the locker room she uses, she would have no support and be called out for her bigotry right away.
 
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