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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

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No idea...

Which restroom would androgynous transgendered people use? What if you think they are one gender/sex, and get it wrong?
 
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In my opinion....neither.

Not good enough. Most facilities have two choices, men or women. They have to use one. You don't get to exclude them from public facilities, especially when those facilities are owned by businesses that have policies that say people can use whatever facility they wish or sincerely identify as.
 
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Which restroom would androgynous transgendered people use? What if you think they are one gender/sex, and get it wrong?

My understanding is that androgynous people have male and female characteristics... not anatomy, or lack of anatomy.
 
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My understanding is that androgynous people have male and female characteristics... not anatomy, or lack of anatomy.

That is the point. In reality, we judge people based on their appearances, those generally nonsexual feminine or masculine characteristics, body types, hips, hair, cheek bones, chest size, clothing, makeup, etc., things that indicate a specific gender. It would be rather easy for someone to not know truly which restroom or changing room or locker room such a person belonged to because they could easily go in either based on how they are dressed, present themselves. Most would be too busy questioning their own judgement to challenge.
 
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That is the point. In reality, we judge people based on their appearances, those generally nonsexual feminine or masculine characteristics, body types, hips, hair, cheek bones, chest size, clothing, makeup, etc., things that indicate a specific gender. It would be rather easy for someone to not know truly which restroom or changing room or locker room such a person belonged to because they could easily go in either based on how they are dressed, present themselves. Most would be too busy questioning their own judgement to challenge.

I would say that if somebody has had a sex change operation or if you can't tell if they are a man who now looks like a woman it wouldn't matter.

The guy in this thread though, big hairy chested guy?... use the men's room.
 
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I would say that if somebody has had a sex change operation or if you can't tell if they are a man who now looks like a woman it wouldn't matter.

The guy in this thread though, big hairy chested guy?... use the men's room.

And the simple fact is that you really don't know for sure without seeing the penis or none, not by pure looks. You are assuming based on looks. And you have no business knowing what is really under anyone's dress, pants, etc.
 
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I bet you would if one walked into the woman's changing rooms though... right?



Last thing I would assume is that they are a sexual predator... not being one does not mean they are welcome in a female changing room though.

The room is owned by the business, not women in general. So if the business says they are welcome in whichever they identify as, that is up to the business. And women using that room can either accept that or find somewhere else to change or workout if they don't like the policy.
 
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The room is owned by the business, not women in general. So if the business says they are welcome in whichever they identify as, that is up to the business. And women using that room can either accept that or find somewhere else to change or workout if they don't like the policy.

Yep... understood. As long as they are aware of the policy...
 
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Yep... understood. As long as they are aware of the policy...

She was made aware of it. Right after that, if she had wanted to cancel her membership, she should have been allowed to do so with no hassle, even getting the money back for that month, particularly if it wasn't info given to her when she joined.
 
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She was made aware of it. Right after that, if she had wanted to cancel her membership, she should have been allowed to do so with no hassle, even getting the money back for that month, particularly if it wasn't info given to her when she joined.

Not prior to seeing a man come into and change in the locker room she wasn't...
 
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Not prior to seeing a man come into and change in the locker room she wasn't...

Oh well. And we don't know if there wasn't information about this. I don't tell every person who enters our dressing rooms or restrooms that we allow anyone to use either one. Corporate policy.
 
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Did she slander the MAN that was caught using the Womens dressing room ? How did she slander him ??

And expecting to feel safe, secure in a dressing room set up for your gender has nothing to do with bigotry. I thought people on the left were pro-women.

The Transgender community is trying to bully its way into relevance and or using guilt to force people into compliance and I guarantee, that's going to backfire. Calling people " bigots " and other hateful insults doesn't increase sympathy or awareness.

On the contrary. It instills a sense of contempt for a group of people who are in the extreme minority, which the Transgender community is. You may think your making progress, but the reality is your breeding contempt and complacency.

There was nothing " hateful " about what she did, but you have no problem throwing slanderous terms of our own to try and minimize her right to feel safe and secure in a WOMENS dressing room. That overt hypocrisy doesn't go unnoticed.

You will never get true equality and respect through bullying and calling people " bigots " and hateful. What you WILL do is create a new level of contempt that never existed before and it will based on the fact that the Transgender agenda involves pro-active insults and accusations that amount to bullying.

Yes she slandered him because she said his presence makes it unsafe. She's not a bigot because she wants to feel safe she is a bigot because she thinks the presence of a transgender makes it unsafe. I'm a woman and nothing in this story would make me question my safety if I was a member there.. So there was no insult she did indeed act like a bigot, if she finds that insulting simply don't act that way. Equality is progress and those that are bothered by it will just have to figure it out just like with woman and minorities before this issue. So there is no "bullying" going on and those that have contempt over equality policies are the ones with the issue.
 
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This cracks me up!
I read a couple articles on this and Planet Fitness did the right thing. After the lady was notified of the companies policy, not only from the front desk but from headquarters she had two choices. Stop going or accept the policy. To continue to complain and demand special treatment and to claim there's a danger and to approach other members for the next four days is what got her membership pulled and rightfully so. I agree she made a complete ass of herself and her membership being pulled was of her own actions.

She stated " I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom."

so basically she wanted it to be her way or no way, her personal subjective comfortably level needed to be the policy in her eyes. Well the fact is its not "HER" locker room, Its planet fitness's locker room.

EDIT: just read another article claiming she was asked to stop approaching people and discussing the transgender member (which others complained her activities), she would not agree so that was the final straw. :shrug:

Well she definitely made an ass of herself. Stomping her feet and holding her breath that much over an issue that is obviously hers is pretty pathetic. I know if she would have approached me I would have thanked her for the info, if I didn't know, but then that would have been it. And if I she approached me again or I heard her slandering this person I would have definitely complained about her actions.
 
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Pre-op Trans need to be self aware and considerate of others, post op trans should be treated as the gender they are.

I agree and others must also be considerate. This lady was not.
 
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Not wanting men in the women's locker room is "making an ass of herself"? Only in liberal lala land. Or, Layla land, in this case. :roll:
That's funny since I'm an independent who clearly has many right leanings. She made a huge ass of herself for how bigoted she is and how much she complained over nothing. She didn't complain that there are unauthorized men in the locker room she tried to insist that this person was dangerous with no evidence of such hateful claims. That makes her an ass. This person did nothing to her, her situation is created by her own ignorance or prejudices.
 
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This lady was setting them up to get sued. I would have banned her too.

It's possible she was going to try that but I'm not sure what she has to "successfully" sue over. People try to sue for everything nowadays.
 
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umm no the guy thinking he has the right to go into a womens bathroom is what is screwed up. the fact that you fail to address this women's concern and right to be upset with having a man in her locker room is what is sad.

this women should sue. the gym failed to provide a safe and protective environment for women by allowing men to enter the women's locker room.

That person had just as much right to be there as she did since that is a decision of Planet Fitness's and not here. Her "concerns" don't need addressed and her concerns are what is sad. Her concern was there was a man in there, her concerned was addressed when the front desk told her that they know and he is transgender. Any concerns after that are of her own invention. She has nothing to successfully sue on but I'd like to see her try. I'm sure some hateful group will back her and pay for it.
 
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I am right in the middle....

The complaining woman had a point. A "transgendered" person is not a cross dresser. If this individual was as she describes, the intent of fair access has been breached. What is to stop anyone from donning bra and pantyhose and getting a cheap thrill. The gym needs a better policy on what constitutes access to the women's change room, or perhaps investigate a third change room if that demographic is so important to them.

On the other hand, she is an asshole. You do not go behind people's backs and campaign to get them tossed out, that's junior high crap. And if, as the story alludes, they received complaints about her they were right to take action, AFTER having addressed her about the issue.

Transgendered is the new issue, and it raises numerous issues. It takes a long time, I understand, to make the transition, surgery etc. Where do they go in the meantime and how should business and government react? This business reacted badly and left the impression that transgendered have more say than regular people, and that any old dude can dress up and join as a woman.

I have no problem if people think the policy could be improved, hats reasonable. As for some perv getting a cheap thrill that could happen anywhere. I agree with you she is an asshole and her actions her childish.
 
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Her comments were not hateful nor bigoted. She is complaining that there is a man in the woman's locker room. I don't care what he "feels" his gender is. He is free to feel that he is a woman, dress like a woman and do whatever he wants that is legal.... as a woman. A man should not be allowed in the woman's locker room though. Calling her a bigot is just ignorant and disrespectful...

I would not want a woman that feels like a man in the men's locker room either. I want to be able to chill out. A woman taking her shirt off and showing her breasts would not be relaxing... after a workout I want to chill in the sauna or shower and have some cave time. Last thing a man wants during cave time is a woman around. Well, women want to chill without men around and feel safe and secure being naked, changing, whatever.

I would not stand by if a boy felt like a girl and used my daughters locer room for a second. Ignorant fools and PC idiots could label me a bigot all they like but that boy will not be in with my girls. I will contact the school, the board, the district, the media. I would stand in front of the girls room and make it clear that he is not allowed in as well.

Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect. The rest of your post is just obnoxious.
 
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I would have called the police and cancelled my membership.
How am I to know this is a transgender and not a pervert pretending to be? Put in a family bathroom or something, but don't make me worry about my safety. Transgenders don't come with certificate.

Well the police wouldn't have done anything because there was no crime.The membership is yours and you can cancel it . . . maybe. Might only have the option not to renew it. How do you know anybody isn't a pervert, do any of us have certificates that just stupid.
 
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My apologies for anything I missed, seems this board has way more traffic than I'm used too and posting on the weekend can quickly get me lost hahaha. I'll do my best to keep up but it seems every time I log in I got like 20 quotes and 20 likes.
 
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That's funny since I'm an independent who clearly has many right leanings. She made a huge ass of herself for how bigoted she is and how much she complained over nothing. She didn't complain that there are unauthorized men in the locker room she tried to insist that this person was dangerous with no evidence of such hateful claims. That makes her an ass. This person did nothing to her, her situation is created by her own ignorance or prejudices.

Yeah, sure you are.

This person was a man in the women's locker room. She had every right to be upset.
 
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Not good enough. Most facilities have two choices, men or women. They have to use one. You don't get to exclude them from public facilities, especially when those facilities are owned by businesses that have policies that say people can use whatever facility they wish or sincerely identify as.

Well.......Planet Fitness can do as they wish. Finding out about their ludicrous "gender neutral" locker room policy has led me to cancel my membership, just since I read about it on this thread. But then I am a traditional American male who does not jump onto modern political correctness bandwagons. Take care.
 
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Oh well. And we don't know if there wasn't information about this. I don't tell every person who enters our dressing rooms or restrooms that we allow anyone to use either one. Corporate policy.

What's next? Just one locker room/restroom labeled "Men/women/whatever"?
 
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Yes she slandered him because she said his presence makes it unsafe. She's not a bigot because she wants to feel safe she is a bigot because she thinks the presence of a transgender makes it unsafe. I'm a woman and nothing in this story would make me question my safety if I was a member there.. So there was no insult she did indeed act like a bigot, if she finds that insulting simply don't act that way. Equality is progress and those that are bothered by it will just have to figure it out just like with woman and minorities before this issue. So there is no "bullying" going on and those that have contempt over equality policies are the ones with the issue.

If you are a woman, and the presence of a creepy perverted man, such as this one, in a locker room where you are undressing, does not make you feel unsafe and uncomfortable, then you are not representative of women in general. The vast majority of women would be very uncomfortable in such a situation, and very rightly so, and it is entirely unfair to characterize them as “bigots” for being so.

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