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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You would have to prove the facility didn't take action for legitimate complaints.
There need not be any complaints. The idea is to have a reasonable policy in place to avoid the situation altogether.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

There need not be any complaints. The idea is to have a reasonable policy in place to avoid the situation altogether.

There is a reasonable policy in place, people can use the facilities they most identify as. If they do something that violates some actual rule, which would include harassment of some sort, then that can be complained about as a legitimate problem, and they can be addressed, including having their membership revoked or being asked to leave and not return (if a guest).
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.) you mean ONE woman.
how many guys do you think would complain that he is in the mens locker room dressed as a man and theres a VERY solid chance he likes looking at men in a sexual way

in fact since you want to talk about danger levels
who do you think is safer
A.) the women in the ladies locker room with the transgender man dressed as a woman pre or post opwho is attracted to men
B.) the transgender man attracted to men dressed as a woman pre or post op in the men in the mens locker room

2.) biologically yes he is also transgender and may not even have a penis and is most likely attracted to men. A gay, black, chrisitina man is also a man but they are also gay, black christian etc etc
the topic is about transgender
3.) transgender men? id like to see that statistic
also if we are going off of statistic to equate EXTRA meanings should we not have male coaches, doctors teachers etc that will be dealing with girls? I mean thats what I coach, i coach girls, maybe i shouldnt be allowed cause you know, stats say men are more likely sexual predators. come on Bodi you are better than that
4.) so a transgender man that wants to go into the girls locker room is a pervert? based on what?
5.) and you are free to argue that as they would be free to deny you membership
6.) they arent in danger nor need protecting in this case so im good
thier feelings i still dont care about when they are nonsensical and bigoted

if you can show me the increased danger youll have something

1. It isn't all about physical safety... you are making it that way.
2. The topic is about safety
3. I didn't say transgendered men... that is your thing. I am talking about people feeling safe. There are rules in society for valid reasons...
4. Wow, talk about an invalid tangent. :lol:
5. Not bigoted in the slightest. That is ignorant and you know it. Not wanting a man in the woman's locker room is not bigoted and it is insulting that people claim that it is ...
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

There is a reasonable policy in place, people can use the facilities they most identify as. If they do something that violates some actual rule, which would include harassment of some sort, then that can be complained about as a legitimate problem, and they can be addressed, including having their membership revoked or being asked to leave and not return (if a guest).

As long as they make that very clear from the get go to potential clients... othewise they should have to give a full refund of everything spent and pay a fine.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

So, do those who object to a transgender woman or man being in the locker room of the gender they identify with also object to children of the opposite gender accompanying their parents into the locker rooms too? How old would you cut them off? What about those with disabilities?

There are generally disabled bathrooms and children should be able to accompany parents depending on circumstance. To use the toilette probably 5 or younger... kindergarten. To be cared for by a single parent in a mall rather than be left alone out by the store probably older.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Their feelings on whether they are safe are their own issue, not those who are not doing anything different than anyone else would be doing in a locker room. It is reasonable for them to feel unsafe if anyone, male or female, threatens them in some way. It is really not reasonable for a woman to feel unsafe just because there is a transgender woman or even a man in the locker room with them, especially when the majority of such places have many people in a locker room at a time. That is their own paranoia that is the problem.

Not paranoia. Just reasonable levels of feeling safe. Like I said, I would not want a woman in the mens room for any reason.
 
PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Don't know. The woman said that it was obvious he was a man, despite the wig and blush. From what I read, it doesn't sound as if the complaining woman saw any parts.

Here's a picture of the sick pervert who started it.

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He's wearing a dress, a wig, and an ill-fitting padded bra, but anyone can see that this is not a woman at all, but a creepy-looking man, in drag.

Shame on Pervert Fitness for letting him in the women's locker room, and disregarding the comfort, safety, and well-being of their female clients. That is absolutely inexcusable.
 
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PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You would have to prove the facility didn't take action for legitimate complaints.

The action that they took for a legitimate complaint was to disregard, and eventually ban, the person who had the complaint.
 
PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

This isn't Separate But Equal with black schools and white schools or a woman's gym and a men's gym, which is legal byt the way... this is gender locker rooms at a both gender gym. Nobody is saying woman can't join or use certain fitness machines... they are saying men can use women's locker rooms. Having separate locker rooms is not discrimination and you know it. :lol:

Well, actually, it is discrimination, but some discrimination is legitimate, proper, and necessary; and the separation of men's and women's dressing facilities certainly falls under that category.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

What would that accomplish?

Apparently There's concern about "taking their word for it." The only way I can think to fix that is to have someone check your junk.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1. It isn't all about physical safety... you are making it that way.
2. The topic is about safety
3. I didn't say transgendered men... that is your thing. I am talking about people feeling safe. There are rules in society for valid reasons...
4. Wow, talk about an invalid tangent. :lol:
6. Not bigoted in the slightest. That is ignorant and you know it.
7. Not wanting a man in the woman's locker room is not bigoted and it is insulting that people claim that it is ...

1.) there isnt any extra safety concerns based on transgender
2.) no the topic is about transgender because thats what about 4 people isnt is the risk to safety, but so far nobody has been able to prove that claim
3.) so then you quoted a meanignless state, exactly
4.) i agree dont use them no more, you brought up perverts, this topic isnt about perverts
6.) yes in fact bigoted by definition, and i agree her comments were ignorant too
7.) good thing thats not what the topic is nor what was called bigoted

what is in fact bigoted is saying this transgender presences alone factually decreases their safety levels, that is in fact bigoted, ignorant and laughable since it voids logic
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I read elsewhere that a trans person who believes she might have triggered the raging teacup storm isn't a member, but visited twice with a friend, wearing leggings and a baggy tee. Nobody complained at the time.

That last sentence is quite obviously not true. Someone did complain, quite legitimately. Her complaint was disregarded, and eventually, she was kicked out for it.

So Pervert Fitness sacrificed a good, paying customer, to cater to a sick freak who wasn't even a paying member.
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Here's a picture of the sick pervert who started it.

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He's wearing a dress, a wig, and an ill-fitting padded bra, but anyone can see that this is not a woman at all, but a creepy-looking man, in drag.

Shame on Pervert Fitness for letting him in the women's locker room, and disregarding the comfort, safety, and well-being of their female clients. That is absolutely inexcusable.

the words in this post are more examples of bigoted views/judgments
the safety wasn't disregarded in any rational, logical or factual way.
if you disagree simply post the facts that prove it was
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

to cater to a sick freak who wasn't even a paying member.

who is the sick freak bob?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Apparently There's concern about "taking their word for it." The only way I can think to fix that is to have someone check your junk.
Perhaps you don't fully understand the policy. Planet Fitness is fine with a man walking around the women's locker room with his obviously male junk out there for everyone to see, so long as that man says that he identifies as female.
 
PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Agreed. I think you are like me... want to be transgendered, or whatever (as long as you don't harm others, pay your taxes, etc) then fine. Go for it. Good for you. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. In many ways I am happy that they are happy with themselves. Want to then take your gender confusion and push it on others and then complain when they don't like it... THAT is the crap that I can't stand.

I can remember when the cry of the wicked was “Don't force your morality on me!”

Now, the wicked force their immorality on everyone else.

That's what happens when you give in to evil, drawing a line, and hoping they'll stop there. They don't stop.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Not paranoia. Just reasonable levels of feeling safe. Like I said, I would not want a woman in the mens room for any reason.

Why? Would men like you not protect them? Do you think it is okay for men to attack in some way a woman in the men's locker room? Do you think it is okay for men to attack other men in the men's locker room?
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I can remember when the cry of the wicked was “Don't force your morality on me!”

Now, the wicked force their immorality on everyone else.

That's what happens when you give in to evil, drawing a line, and hoping they'll stop there. They don't stop.

what force? lol
can you please provide a factual example of that force now
after that please provide factual examples of immorality here and evil here . . .thanks bob
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Perhaps you don't fully understand the policy. Planet Fitness is fine with a man walking around the women's locker room with his obviously male junk out there for everyone to see, so long as that man says that he identifies as female.

How would they know before that person was already in the locker room?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)there's nothing apparent about it in this story. One lady complained, was given an answer and complained some more and broke policies herself until herself booted
it was not inevitable THAT would happen
2.) uhm in this case its still not an issue except fot eh lady that got herself booted
3..) thats possible, reading policies could have also did that . . maybe
4.) guess that possible too but there no evidence of it, theres more evidence the lady that got the boot wanted the spotlight

If it weren't an issue we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I just think that changes are happening and it's better to make them happen smoothly and easily. Try to prevent confrontation. It would have been so easy to put up signs stating their policy and it would have shown respect for all their clients. If they had, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
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PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1. It isn't all about physical safety... you are making it that way.
2. The topic is about safety
3. I didn't say transgendered men... that is your thing. I am talking about people feeling safe. There are rules in society for valid reasons...
4. Wow, talk about an invalid tangent. :lol:
5. Not bigoted in the slightest. That is ignorant and you know it. Not wanting a man in the woman's locker room is not bigoted and it is insulting that people claim that it is ...

As I said before, that's pretty much a standard wrong-wing refuge to try to save a hopelessly-failing argument—to accuse one's adversary of bigotry, or to claim that the opposing argument is based on bigotry.

The pro-pervert crowd tries to claim that all objective standards of morality or decency are bigotry.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)If it weren't an issue we wouldn't be having this discussion.
2.) I just think that changes are happening and it's better to make them happen smoothly and easily.
3.) Try to prevent confrontation.
4.) It would have been so easy to put up signs stating their policy and it would have shown respect for all their clients.
5.) If they had, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

1.) who claimed there was no issue? lol not me. the lady had an issue thats for sure
2.) I agree and this lady had very easy options that weren't good enough for her
3.) the only confrontation in THIS story was hers
4.) it would have been easy for the lady to read the policy and show respect for the facility
5.) if she had dont that we probably wouldn't be having the discussion.
of is she took one of the options given to her
or if she stopped breaking the rules when asked
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Well, actually, it is discrimination, but some discrimination is legitimate, proper, and necessary; and the separation of men's and women's dressing facilities certainly falls under that category.

Obviously there is discrimination everywhere. I discriminate against my children at times and students all the time, it is human nature... that is why are talking about illegal discrimination
 
Re: PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

As I said before, that's pretty much a standard wrong-wing refuge to try to save a hopelessly-failing argument—to accuse one's adversary of bigotry, or to claim that the opposing argument is based on bigotry.

The pro-pervert crowd tries to claim that all objective standards of morality or decency are bigotry.

It is one of the things that I can't stand about the Left. If they disagree with you they attack you and accuse you of things in an attempt to get you to defend your actions instead of the argument at hand,
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Why? Would men like you not protect them? Do you think it is okay for men to attack in some way a woman in the men's locker room? Do you think it is okay for men to attack other men in the men's locker room?

What is with all the "attack" arguments? I don't want a woman in there because she is not a man. I want a chill safe place where I can just be a guy and not have women around.
 
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