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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

When you are big, you have no need to fight.
Flexing a bunch of useless meat doesn't scare people that know how to fight.

When you know how to fight you don't need to fight. When you're big you can't. That's a big difference.

I'm 6'8" tall. When I was doing that pick up crap people tried me out all the time. Thus I quit eating my time.
 
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Flexing a bunch of useless meat doesn't scare people that know how to fight.

When you know how to fight you don't need to fight. When you're big you can't. That's a big difference.

I'm 6'8" tall. When I was doing that pick up crap people tried me out all the time. Thus I quit eating my time.

I wouldn't really know. I haven't been in a fight since the 9th grade. Never found a need to be in one.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I wouldn't really know. I haven't been in a fight since the 9th grade. Never found a need to be in one.
You don't work in my field.

I simply prefer to have strength. And if I'm going to work out is going to be to gain strength, not to look pretty on the beach. To each his own.

Point is I don't care about the Smith machine or whatever other jungle gyms you play with. They aren't the key to fitness.
 
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It should have been made clear to *everyone* upon applying to, or joining the gym. That they would only inform members of this after being surprised in the locker room is utterly nonsensical.

Without having access to what she signed when she joined, it's entirely possible that it was spelled out.
 
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But there may be legitimate danger in employing a simple "we'll take your word for it, no questions asked" policy that allows anyone who claims to identify with a different gender, access to the locker room.

So there should be a guard grabbing everyone's crotch posted outside the locker rooms?
 
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Im so curious

do people actually think this lady was NOT given doable solutions?
after her initial complaint/concern which i understand and she was informed of the equality and no judgment policy and told she can use private stalls or not go in there at the same times was that not enough?

since we can't go back in time and inform her PF doesnt discriminate once she came to the front desk, was made aware of thier policies what should PF have done?

Nobody has anything yet for this question?
I know its like a handful of people that feel this lady was wronged but what was the solution once she complained and informed that PF doesnt discriminate?
What should PF have done differently AFTER her complaint?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You don't work in my field.

I simply prefer to have strength. And if I'm going to work out is going to be to gain strength, not to look pretty on the beach. To each his own.

Point is I don't care about the Smith machine or whatever other jungle gyms you play with. They aren't the key to fitness.




I take it by skipping my reply, you see the error of your notion.


I'll help you out with that, the smith machine sucks, that was the point.


You find them at places like planet fitness.

I work out for fun, powerlift to get stronger, the beach body, is the genes. ;)
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

So there should be a guard grabbing everyone's crotch posted outside the locker rooms?



at planet fitness? completely unnecessary! ;)
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Nobody has anything yet for this question?
I know its like a handful of people that feel this lady was wronged but what was the solution once she complained and informed that PF doesnt discriminate?
What should PF have done differently AFTER her complaint?





I think its a hard situation, most people in either lockeroom, honestly would be comfortable....


was he post op or was the hawg out and swinging around?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

I take it by skipping my reply, you see the error of your notion.
For some reason your reply didn't show up in my notifications.


I'll help you out with that, the smith machine sucks, that was the point.
That's nice.


You find them at places like planet fitness.[/QUOT]Still don't care.

I work out for fun, powerlift to get stronger, the beach body, is the genes. ;)
I swim for fun. I also get stronger doing that. I'm sure people jump around in the Smith machine for fun.

The beach body for me is out of the jeans.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)I think its a hard situation, most people in either lockeroom, honestly would be comfortable....
2.)was he post op or was the hawg out and swinging around?

1.) this i agree with to some degree I do think its a situation that can make both the transgender uncomfortable and the woman but thats just how it is. Locker rooms are already uncomfortable to many varying degrees for many people.
2.) I would understand there being a legit complaint if this person was walking around doing helicopters in everybody's face but jokes aside, From the articles though it seems they simply made trips to thier locker.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.) this i agree with to some degree I do think its a situation that can make both the transgender uncomfortable and the woman but thats just how it is. Locker rooms are already uncomfortable to many varying degrees for many people.
2.) I would understand there being a legit complaint if this person was walking around doing helicopters in everybody's face but jokes aside, From the articles though it seems they simply made trips to thier locker.



The real solution here is one big unisex locker room. simple solutions by the good reverend! though d00ds with blacked out sunglasses should be looked upon with suspicion.


In reality the reason this is a "thing" is because what was, is, and even if changing what was, to the other, it does't seem "natural" to most and most get uncomfortable with that.

Now turn it around, women, here care more than men, that is a social construct.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)The real solution here is one big unisex locker room. simple solutions by the good reverend! though d00ds with blacked out sunglasses should be looked upon with suspicion.
2.)In reality the reason this is a "thing" is because what was, is, and even if changing what was, to the other, it does't seem "natural" to most and most get uncomfortable with that.

3.) Now turn it around, women, here care more than men, that is a social construct.

1.) Unisex with private stalls wouldnt bother me but that would be a solution BEFORE the fact.
Also to the like 3 people that claim its dangerous, that wouldnt work
2.) I get that but people have to get over it. This lady was given real options and choose to ignore them and cry about it.
Just like people though it was unnatural to shower with blacks when sports became integrated, schools etc.
Im still uncomfortable with people i may view as physically unattractive at the beach or some guy that is 400lbs naked in my gym etc etc I dont get to demand policy be changed just for that reason then act surprised when i was asked to quit, told them i will not and they pull my membership.

I get the initial shock value and concern, i get the uncomfortably but once given the answer by the local facility and corporate in a situation like this thats the end of it.

3.) not sure what you are saying here? you mean men would care less if a woman who was a transgender man came in to thier locker room? thats probably a save guess. Lets not switch it what if that same person came into the mans locker room dressed as a woman? Its probably a safe guess that would cause the biggest stink.
 
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1.) Unisex with private stalls wouldnt bother me but that would be a solution BEFORE the fact.


So, who should be able to use the ladies room? pre? Post? what if the "transgendered". what about a dude in a hells angels cut claiming to be transgedered?

I don't have an answer, I lean towards you run what you brung (or what you are born with). keeps things simple.


Also to the like 3 people that claim its dangerous, that wouldnt work
2.) I get that but people have to get over it. This lady was given real options and choose to ignore them and cry about it.


if you are a woman, and you round the corner into the locker and see a hawg, what are you supposed to think?



Just like people though it was unnatural to shower with blacks when sports became integrated, schools etc.


I don't think it's the same at all, actually. you can't cut your black off (or turn it inside out).



Im still uncomfortable with people i may view as physically unattractive at the beach or some guy that is 400lbs naked in my gym etc etc I dont get to demand policy be changed just for that reason then act surprised when i was asked to quit, told them i will not and they pull my membership.


Ones a sexual organ in the construct of todays society. again, if a burly dood simply "identifies" as a woman, would he be allowed into the womans locker?





3.) not sure what you are saying here? you mean men would care less if a woman who was a transgender man came in to thier locker room? thats probably a save guess. Lets not switch it what if that same person came into the mans locker room dressed as a woman? Its probably a safe guess that would cause the biggest stink.



it wouldn't be as big as man in womans...
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)So, who should be able to use the ladies room? pre? Post? what if the "transgendered". what about a dude in a hells angels cut claiming to be transgedered?
I don't have an answer, I lean towards you run what you brung (or what you are born with). keeps things simple.

2.) if you are a woman, and you round the corner into the locker and see a hawg, what are you supposed to think?

3.)I don't think it's the same at all, actually. you can't cut your black off (or turn it inside out).

4.)Ones a sexual organ in the construct of todays society. again, if a burly dood simply "identifies" as a woman, would he be allowed into the womans locker?

1.) im totally fine with transgender using the facilities they seem fit.
If it was my facilities in question i would require more than word of mouth though.
2.) I dont know what I might think as a woman, maybe id be grossed out, maybe id want me some of that lol IDK but thats not what happened here.
also if it was my facility i would have a no flying hogs policy. But again in this case im not judging her initial reaction, its the crap afterwards that got her booted

3.) but it is, you can technically drop your religion :shrug: Im not saying they are identical things but you mentioned "comfortably" they were examples of other comfortablities people have to either get over or find away for themselves to address it.

4.) im many places yes . . .its varies
 
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You were just railing about our societal attitudes regarding nudity, calling them "archaic notions". Have you forgotten that already? And yes, part of those societal rules, rolled into law, it's okay for others of the same sex to see you naked in the locker room. NOT okay for different sex. But hey, you've lived in this society your whole life, right? You should know this (even if you object to it).

I honestly think those laws are archaic as well, at least the ones that treat nudity as a crime rather than a violation of the health code (sexual act=jail/sex offender ; health code violations=fines). Nudity is really only sexual when a person makes it that way, the same as any other part of our body.

But that has nothing to do with what you tried to equate nudity laws to. Those have nothing to do with what goes on in a locker room.
 
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1.) that doesnt make it a secret
2.) She was told after her concern and she was given three small easy things to do and she choose not to

maybe, and this is just me guessing, PF thought the policy is good enough and EXTRA steps aren't needed[/QUOTE]

Apparently they were wrong. This was inevitable, wasn't it. Realistically, no way on earth was this not going to become an issue, sooner or later. Signs could have avoided the thing altogether. Maybe they wanted the publicity.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.) Apparently they were wrong. This was inevitable, wasn't it.
2.) Realistically, no way on earth was this not going to become an issue, sooner or later.
3.) Signs could have avoided the thing altogether.
4.) Maybe they wanted the publicity.

1.)there's nothing apparent about it in this story. One lady complained, was given an answer and complained some more and broke policies herself until herself booted
it was not inevitable THAT would happen
2.) uhm in this case its still not an issue except fot eh lady that got herself booted
3..) thats possible, reading policies could have also did that . . maybe
4.) guess that possible too but there no evidence of it, theres more evidence the lady that got the boot wanted the spotlight
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

So there should be a guard grabbing everyone's crotch posted outside the locker rooms?
What would that accomplish?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

There is nothing legitimately "dangerous" about their policy. The store I work at has a less restrictive policy than that regarding fitting rooms and restrooms, as do many places nowadays. Ignorance and paranoia leads to the belief that a transgendered woman is more likely to attack or sexually harass a person in the female locker room than anyone else.
The policy states, whatever gender you "identify" with. You don't think perverts could take advantage of this policy? Certainly you aren't that naive.
 
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No they aren't. There is no harassment there, only your archaic notions that men and women can't see each other naked in a nonsexual manner, ever.

One should be able to choose to allow the opposite sex to view them naked. It's funny, libs only favor "choice" when it suits their sick, twisted agenda.
 
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One should be able to choose to allow the opposite sex to view them naked. It's funny, libs only favor "choice" when it suits their sick, twisted agenda.

That choice still exists - simply choose another gym. You have no right to set/change company policy simply because you are a customer. If you want a Whopper then don't patronize McDonald's and then fuss about them not offering to make you one - simply go to Burger King instead. ;)
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

One should be able to choose to allow the opposite sex to view them naked. It's funny, libs only favor "choice" when it suits their sick, twisted agenda.
good thing that choice wasnt take from her, please dont make up strawmen
as the articles state that choice was never taken away. Not go in there when the other person is in there, use one of the private stalls, change at ahome or find another gym.

THat wasn't good enough for her so she choose to break rules and get herself booted :shrug:
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

If there wasn't an open policy, it would be handled quickly(i.e. one complaint, call cops). However, because its an open policy, complainants are told to "use the locker room at a later time" or to use another gym. Remember, if you feel threatened that a "man" is in there with you, you are a bigot.

No. If you feel that the other person is a threat to you just because they are a man or a transgender woman then that is your ignorance and bias showing through, not a logical fear that should be accommodated.
 
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