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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Are you going to claim they have less liability if a woman attacks someone in the ladies locker room than a transgender woman?

Do you think women are raped as often by women as they are men?
 
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They are harassing them by being there, plain and simple. No different then the perv in the raincoat watching you.

Fact: There is no evidence of harassment in this story by the transgender.
Fact: There is no evidence of any activities happening that are equal to a perv in a raincoat watching somebody (whatever this means)
 
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No they aren't. There is no harassment there, only your archaic notions that men and women can't see each other naked in a nonsexual manner, ever.

Except those "archaic notions" are OUR notions and written into OUR law. And yes, in that context, the ruling context of the day, it IS harassment.
 
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I don't think that's the issue. I think people are more worried about some random guy posing as a transgendered woman to gain access. Someone already inclined to creepy behavior could very easily make use of such policies for their own purposes.

And that person could get reported for their behavior, if it were truly the behavior and not just their being there that was the cause of the complaint.
 
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Except those "archaic notions" are OUR notions and written into OUR law. And yes, in that context, the ruling context of the day, it IS harassment.

Actually, they really aren't. This is mainly policy, not laws. The laws do not require what some believe they do in most places.
 
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Do you think women are raped as often by women as they are men?

Doesn't matter. Most rapists are someone the woman knows and even dated. Very few rapes involve strangers, even fewer if any occur in a public place like a locker room.
 
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Actually, they really aren't. This is mainly policy, not laws. The laws do not require what some believe they do in most places.

Yeah, because there are no public nudity laws. :lamo
 
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If they continue in this direction, they will become a club exclusive to people who are confused about what sex they are.

Or those who don't care.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

There is no legitimate danger to anyone by allowing those who identify as a gender they weren't born as in the locker rooms. It is illegal to sexually assault a person no matter their relative sexes.
But there may be legitimate danger in employing a simple "we'll take your word for it, no questions asked" policy that allows anyone who claims to identify with a different gender, access to the locker room.
 
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now you are claiming the lie that PF tried to shut her up because of this? lol
links? proof? facts

From what appears to be the most widely-cited article on the incident…

A Midland County woman's gym membership was canceled after she refused to stop telling fellow gym members "a man" was using the woman's locker room.
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According to Cormier, she returned to the gym each day between Monday and Thursday. While there, Cormier said she told women in the locker room about the individual she observed in the bathroom the weekend before.

Cormier said she then got a call from Planet Fitness' corporate office telling her that she was violating their "no judgement" policy. She says they asked if she was going to stop talking to other women in the locker room and she said she would not.

Cormier said the representative told her she was no longer welcome at the gym.


sorry but there is 100% ZERO evidence in this story that they failed to provide a safe and protective environment,
if you disagree simply provide any facts that support your false claim in your next post, thanks
Facts win again

They let a man have free access to the women's locker room while women were undressing therein.

What more than that do you need? In and of itself, that demonstrate a reckless and inexcusable disregard for the safety, comfort, and well-being of their female clients.

 
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Yeah, because there are no public nudity laws. :lamo

This isn't public nudity. The laws for public nudity are not relative to which gender of person might see you naked.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)Why even bother to post.
2.) We all know what you're going to say.
3.) Fact is their policy about speaking badly about their policies to other members is a no-go.
4.) They just don't have the legal authority to make said policy.
5.) But all she had to do was to inform others of the policy and they saw the problem for themselves.
6.) They did indeed wish to silence her
7.) and they did. It's all there in the OP which has provided all the facts.
8.) Facts you seemingly want to ignore.
9.) Anyone want to guess what you'll post next? :lamo

1.) to correct peoples mistakes and false claims
2.) who is we?
3.) not a fact, nor is that thier policy
4.) also not a fact, theres no policy being discussed here they they do not have the legal authority to make
5.) actually she violated the rules
6.) nothing more than a guess supported by ZERO facts
7.) this is just factually wrong since she is still talking
8.) you haven't posted one yet . . .NOT ONE lol
9.) no need they know it will be another post destroying yours and pointing out the fails claims in it :shrug:

As always if you disagree you are more than welcome to provide ONE fact that supports your false and proven wrong claims . . thank you
 
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Are you going to claim they have less liability if a woman attacks someone in the ladies locker room than a transgender woman?

If a sexual predator, who now understands PF will allow him to use a woman's locker room so long as he says "I'm self-identifying as a woman", turns the PF woman's locker room into his playground, then they would be liable for creating the environment.
 
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But there may be legitimate danger in employing a simple "we'll take your word for it, no questions asked" policy that allows anyone who claims to identify with a different gender, access to the locker room.

Nope. Not without evidence that a person is doing something that could be considered suspicious or harassment or threats, which can come from either gender.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

From what appears to be the most widely-cited article on the incident…

A Midland County woman's gym membership was canceled after she refused to stop telling fellow gym members "a man" was using the woman's locker room.
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According to Cormier, she returned to the gym each day between Monday and Thursday. While there, Cormier said she told women in the locker room about the individual she observed in the bathroom the weekend before.

Cormier said she then got a call from Planet Fitness' corporate office telling her that she was violating their "no judgement" policy. She says they asked if she was going to stop talking to other women in the locker room and she said she would not.

Cormier said the representative told her she was no longer welcome at the gym.




They let a man have free access to the women's locker room while women were undressing therein.

What more than that do you need? In and of itself, that demonstrate a reckless and inexcusable disregard for the safety, comfort, and well-being of their female clients.

yes ive read all the articles Bob and i posted about 7 of them lol
theres NOTHING in thing that that demonstrate she was shut up for simply talkign about it theres also NOTHING in the articles that show a reckless and inexcusable disregard for the safety, comfort, and well-being of their female clients.

ZIP, ZERO, NOTTA, ZILCH
facts win again

if you disagree please provide facts and evidence showing otherwise
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

If a sexual predator, who now understands PF will allow him to use a woman's locker room so long as he says "I'm self-identifying as a woman", turns the PF woman's locker room into his playground, then they would be liable for creating the environment.

Any sexual predator could simply dress as a woman now and go to any locker room they wanted if they were that dedicated. But in reality, a sexual predator is generally going to be smart enough to know how big a risk that is or get caught quicker than they could actually do anything. These aren't like empty locker rooms that multiple people don't use.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Why even bother to post. We all know what you're going to say. Fact is their policy about speaking badly about their policies to other members is a no-go. They just don't have the legal authority to make said policy. But all she had to do was to inform others of the policy and they saw the problem for themselves. They did indeed wish to silence her, and they did. It's all there in the OP which has provided all the facts. Facts you seemingly want to ignore.

Anyone want to guess what you'll post next? :lamo

Not having yet seen what reply, if any, he's made to this posting, my guess is that he'll chop up and number the text quoted from your post, and then provide a corresponding numbered list of non-sequiturs.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

This isn't public nudity. The laws for public nudity are not relative to which gender of person might see you naked.

You were just railing about our societal attitudes regarding nudity, calling them "archaic notions". Have you forgotten that already? And yes, part of those societal rules, rolled into law, it's okay for others of the same sex to see you naked in the locker room. NOT okay for different sex. But hey, you've lived in this society your whole life, right? You should know this (even if you object to it).
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

And that person could get reported for their behavior, if it were truly the behavior and not just their being there that was the cause of the complaint.
And if it happens a few times, it's certainly reasonable to say that the facility is not maintaining a safe environment.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

If they continue in this direction, they will become a club exclusive to people who are confused about what sex they are.

Or those who don't care.

OK, I'll grant that and include those who don't care what sex they are. Together, that's what, 1/5 of 1% of the population? Good luck making a profit on such a tiny clientele, while alienating most of the remaining 99.8%.
 
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The most surprising thing to me is that this corporation's lawyers would have advised them that there is no problem in doing this. There is a principle of tort law which says, roughly, that if almost everyone in your industry is doing something in a certain way, so that customers have come to expect it as the norm, you will be liable if you do that thing in a different way and someone is caught unaware and harmed as a result.

I remember an old case where a small motel owner, following a grandfather clause in the law, had not installed safety glass shower doors in his rooms. That made him the odd man out, because almost every motel in the state, old and new alike, had done that. When a guest slipped in the shower, felt through the glass door, and was badly cut up, the guest sued him--and he lost. The reasoning was that motel guests by that time had reasonably come to expect that shower doors would not be made of ordinary glass, and therefore would not be unusually careful around them.

This reasoning also applied in the McDonald's hot coffee case of twenty-odd years ago. Apparently hoping to gain an advantage over its competitors, McDonald's had begun serving its coffee at 190 degrees instead of the standard 170 degrees they served it at. A very old and somewhat senile woman who was unaware of this spilled the coffee she had bought at a McDonald's in her lap in the car, badly burning herself. A jury found McDonald's was negligent and awarded the woman punitive damages.

It seems to me that this gym is asking to get sued--successfully--by letting men use the locker rooms designated for women without warning their women customers.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

All lifting does is make you big and clumsy. Your fighting skills may improve if you quit playing in the jungle gyms and practice your skills.

When you are big, you have no need to fight.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Any sexual predator could simply dress as a woman now and go to any locker room they wanted if they were that dedicated. But in reality, a sexual predator is generally going to be smart enough to know how big a risk that is or get caught quicker than they could actually do anything. These aren't like empty locker rooms that multiple people don't use.

If there wasn't an open policy, it would be handled quickly(i.e. one complaint, call cops). However, because its an open policy, complainants are told to "use the locker room at a later time" or to use another gym. Remember, if you feel threatened that a "man" is in there with you, you are a bigot.
 
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And if it happens a few times, it's certainly reasonable to say that the facility is not maintaining a safe environment.

IN the imaginary hypothetical that the policy is truly wide open and you can:

just claim anythign as many times as you want when you feel like it without any other checks and balances
then criminals start deceiving the facility and lying about being transgender and attacking women and it happens multiple times
and then no other measures are taken, security wise, policy wise, notification wise etc

THEN there might be a case and the best bet would be to still go after after in general and the policy secondary because a good lawyer will pass the buck to the criminals if the suit solely attacks the policy.

as it stands right now, theres no case and no evidence of any kind that the facility is not maintaining a safe environment.
 
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