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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

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I apologize for forgetting about your post. I was working when I viewed it, therefore on my phone, and it didn't become a priority.

No offense but if one of my posts ever becomes a priority for you I would be worried... ;)
 
PERVERT Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

It doesn't matter how much you feel "he" couldn't possibly pass as a woman. There are ways to change "his" appearance that would allow "him" to pass. But it doesn't matter because Planet Fitness, the company that owns the gym and locker rooms in question says "he" doesn't have to pass for a woman, only identify as one to use that locker room.

Which makes a farce of the distinction between men's and women's dressing facilities, and shows an inexcusable lack of respect and concern for their female members.

Any women who care at all about their modesty or safety should not do business with Pervert Fitness until they change that policy to something more in line with basic common decency, and men who care about the women in their life should similarly not do business with Pervert Fitness.

If Pervert Fitness wants to cater to creepy sexual deviants and predators, then let them try to survive just on that clientele.
 
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It doesn't matter how much you feel "he" couldn't possibly pass as a woman. There are ways to change "his" appearance that would allow "him" to pass. But it doesn't matter because Planet Fitness, the company that owns the gym and locker rooms in question says "he" doesn't have to pass for a woman, only identify as one to use that locker room.

I honestly think you are arguing just to be a contrarian...
 
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You are not being honest (no offense) when you compare having a man in a female locker room with a woman with tats in the locker room. I won't even respond to that beyond this point.

More for third... there is no question that is a man. Another wacky counter-argument.

Bigotry is based on how you feel. A person can be a bigot without expressing it to anybody. They can be at home and say, "those ****ing queers should never be out in public" and you would never know it but that does not mean that they are not a bigot. Regarding mind readers... NOW, if you want to call a person a bigot you have to see them express it. To know they are a bigot requires their expressing it but to be a bigot requires that nobody else even be aware of it. I a serial killer not a serial killer if they never get caught?

First, no dishonesty. There are those women who you can't tell. How many people actually believed that Chandler's dad was really a man? But in reality, we are basing whether the complainer could tell off of photos that were not of the transgendered woman in question as she appeared at the gym. We don't know what her appearance there was. Many transgendered women and men actually do better with their appearance when not trying to dress up, but rather dressing casually, as she likely did at the gym.

Second. Discomfort is discomfort. If anyone doesn't want to change in front of or even take the chance of changing in front of certain other people, there are other options, including changing in a stall or waiting for the person to leave, especially since she wasn't even in there long. There is also changing at home or in the ladies room if you are that nervous about it.

Last, bigotry is basically irrelevant if it is never acted upon. A serial killer is a person that actually has killed someone, not simply thought about killing a bunch of people. You are not a serial killer if you never actually killed someone.
 
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First, no dishonesty. There are those women who you can't tell. How many people actually believed that Chandler's dad was really a man? But in reality, we are basing whether the complainer could tell off of photos that were not of the transgendered woman in question as she appeared at the gym. We don't know what her appearance there was. Many transgendered women and men actually do better with their appearance when not trying to dress up, but rather dressing casually, as she likely did at the gym.

Second. Discomfort is discomfort. If anyone doesn't want to change in front of or even take the chance of changing in front of certain other people, there are other options, including changing in a stall or waiting for the person to leave, especially since she wasn't even in there long. There is also changing at home or in the ladies room if you are that nervous about it.

Last, bigotry is basically irrelevant if it is never acted upon. A serial killer is a person that actually has killed someone, not simply thought about killing a bunch of people. You are not a serial killer if you never actually killed someone.

Bigotry is about thought... not action. Again, I think you are being a contrarian at this point. Your arguments are that ridiculous this time.
 
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I honestly think you are arguing just to be a contrarian...

No. I am arguing from experience. I have a transgendered sister. She is over 6 feet tall and was larger in stature prior to the last few years. She also is still learning how to wear makeup for a more natural look and wear clothing that accentuates her body as feminine rather than just looking like a guy wearing feminine clothing. She has just started hormone therapy.

I have also come across a guy who wasn't transgendered at all but that I thought was a woman by his voice when he asked me from behind for change. I've mistakenly called a woman "sir" because she looked like a he from the back. I've met a woman who I would have thought was a woman from birth had my sister not told me she was transgendered. (Absolutely beautiful woman.)
 
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Bigotry is about thought... not action. Again, I think you are being a contrarian at this point. Your arguments are that ridiculous this time.

Reality shows that bigotry is about action because without the actions, no one even knows about the bigotry that a person might think about.
 
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Which makes a farce of the distinction between men's and women's dressing facilities, and shows an inexcusable lack of respect and concern for their female members.

Any women who care at all about their modesty or safety should not do business with Pervert Fitness until they change that policy to something more in line with basic common decency, and men who care about the women in their life should similarly not do business with Pervert Fitness.

If Pervert Fitness wants to cater to creepy sexual deviants and predators, then let them try to survive just on that clientele.

Or they simply don't feel it is that big of a deal. Some of us don't feel that transgendered people are any sort of danger to us, nor is allowing them in the locker rooms/restrooms a danger to us because we know the reality is that rapists and those who would sexually assault a woman wouldn't do so in such a public space.
 
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Reality shows that bigotry is about action because without the actions, no one even knows about the bigotry that a person might think about.

No. Wrong. Bigotry is about thought. Knowing or seeing bigotry is about action. My grandmother is a racist sexist bigot that nobody would ever know except she slips and makes comments to family from time to time. Nobody outside a few of us knows this. She is a racist sexist bigot. You are arguing that if you don't see it it isn't true. You are arguing that the tree did not make a sound as it fell because you did not hear it yourself. That is ridiculous. I am about done with this argument with you. I agree with you far too often and think you are far too smart to be making such arguments and I can see that because of your family member you are emotionally compromised. It happened to Spock too and Kirk was promoted to acting Captain as a result...
 
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No. Wrong. Bigotry is about thought. Knowing or seeing bigotry is about action. My grandmother is a racist sexist bigot that nobody would ever know except she slips and makes comments to family from time to time. Nobody outside a few of us knows this. She is a racist sexist bigot. You are arguing that if you don't see it it isn't true. You are arguing that the tree did not make a sound as it fell because you did not hear it yourself. That is ridiculous. I am about done with this argument with you. I agree with you far too often and think you are far too smart to be making such arguments and I can see that because of your family member you are emotionally compromised. It happened to Spock too and Kirk was promoted to acting Captain as a result...

If she doesn't act on those beliefs, then it doesn't matter. But if she didn't "slip" then you wouldn't know about her thoughts. In reality, she isn't a bigot because she obviously has enough tolerance and not enough stubbornness to act on her bigoted beliefs if you are saying she doesn't actually act on them. Therefore she is not a bigot (unless you aren't being completely truthful).
 
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1.) thats the question i asked you and you avoided cause you said you don't care. I am personally fine with those who are making the journey to be a woman using woman facilities and vice versa. So whats your answe

I did answer. in private business that's up to the owner. If I owned a bar, I'd not care, some would say whatever sex you actually are vs what "sex" you tried to turn yourself into others the opposite.

In government buildings, I'd say biologically.


2.) of course not how could it be? interracial marriage exists right now, do people still not accept it? yes. Thats because there is ZERO force to accept it just like this

interracial marriage isn't a delusion.
 
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*CRICKETS*
Nobody has answered this still, what should PF have done after the lady complained and then they informed her of her equality policy?

I've answered this several times.


private business should be able to do as they please.
 
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[h=1]Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[/h]
Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM ET
A Michigan woman's Planet Fitness membership was revoked after she complained about a transgender person in the women's locker room.Yvette Cormier, a 48, said she was walking into the Midland Planet Fitness locker room last Saturday when she saw someone "dressed like a man." The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." Cormier, who had been a Planet Fitness member for two months, said she went to the front desk immediately. The man at the desk told her that Planet Fitness policy is "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," she said. "And then he said, 'We've had lots of complaints about him but we told him to go change in a stall,'" Cormier said. "He said, 'if you're uncomfortable with that you can wait until he's done in there,'" she said. "I stood back and said, 'How about he waits until I'm done in the women's locker room. Or get a unisex bathroom.' He asked if I would like to talk to the manager and I said, 'I'm calling corporate.'" When she called the corporate offices, she said, someone there confirmed that the person at the front desk was correct about Planet Fitness policies. "I wouldn't have signed up for this gym if I knew that ahead of time," Cormier said, adding that the gym is "failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man." She said she went back to the gym the next few days and "told everyone in the locker room what happened." She said everyone she talked to "was appalled." On Thursday, Cormier said, Planet Fitness Corporate called and revoked her membership immediately. "They said, 'You are talking to people about him in the women's locker room. You are making people upset.' That's my whole point," she said. "I'm telling them and warning them because you are not doing that. You allow men in there, and we are appalled by it." Planet Fitness Director of Public Relations McCall Gosselin said the gym is "committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."






Wow so this lady made a complete ass of herself hahaha
I love that she made such an ass of herself and a stink of this that HER membership was cancelled. That's awesome. I'd like to know what danger she was talking about.

Once they told me that the guy self-identifies as female and their policy is to let such people use the bathroom and locker room of their choice, I would've asked if I could have my money back and cancel my membership. If they wouldn't let me, then I would have sued, if that's not in their contract.

Transgenders are not people who are going through a sex change. It is a person of one gender who wants to be the other gender, so dresses that way. He "identifies" as the other gender. But he (it's usually men) is still male.

It's not just about danger. It's about modesty and appropriateness. I think a lot of other women are like me in that I was raised a certain way and am not comfortable going to unisex bathrooms. I do not want to pee in a stall next to a man peeing. I don't want to be adjusting my underwear at the mirror, and a man walks out of the stall with his penis hanging out.

In a women's restroom, and especially in a locker room, women do personal things, like fix underwear, bra straps, use the bathroom, change clothing, do female gabbing, etc. We all have the same parts. Throw a penis into the room, and it all changes. I have a right to use the restroom and locker room without men being around while I change clothing or use the bathroom. Whatever genitalia you have determines the gender you are, and the guy who identifies as a woman is still a male, biologically.

Transgenders aren't the only ones with rights. Other people have rights, too. So if the gym has that policy and they didn't disclose that to me, I should get my money back. I am NOT going to the bathroom and change clothes with men.

Men may feel differently about using the bathroom with women who self-identify as men. I don't know. But I think women are probably a bit more modest about this sort of thing.
 
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Once they told me that the guy self-identifies as female and their policy is to let such people use the bathroom and locker room of their choice, I would've asked if I could have my money back and cancel my membership. If they wouldn't let me, then I would have sued, if that's not in their contract.

Transgenders are not people who are going through a sex change. It is a person of one gender who wants to be the other gender, so dresses that way. He "identifies" as the other gender. But he (it's usually men) is still male.

It's not just about danger. It's about modesty and appropriateness. I think a lot of other women are like me in that I was raised a certain way and am not comfortable going to unisex bathrooms. I do not want to pee in a stall next to a man peeing. I don't want to be adjusting my underwear at the mirror, and a man walks out of the stall with his penis hanging out.

In a women's restroom, and especially in a locker room, women do personal things, like fix underwear, bra straps, use the bathroom, change clothing, do female gabbing, etc. We all have the same parts. Throw a penis into the room, and it all changes. I have a right to use the restroom and locker room without men being around while I change clothing or use the bathroom. Whatever genitalia you have determines the gender you are, and the guy who identifies as a woman is still a male, biologically.

Transgenders aren't the only ones with rights. Other people have rights, too. So if the gym has that policy and they didn't disclose that to me, I should get my money back. I am NOT going to the bathroom and change clothes with men.

Men may feel differently about using the bathroom with women who self-identify as men. I don't know. But I think women are probably a bit more modest about this sort of thing.

No, you do not have a right to use a restroom owned by a business without men in that bathroom. You have a right to refuse to use that particular restroom, or give money to that business. You do not have a right to feel completely comfortable or not feel uncomfortable in their restrooms or locker rooms.
 
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No, you do not have a right to use a restroom owned by a business without men in that bathroom. You have a right to refuse to use that particular restroom, or give money to that business. You do not have a right to feel completely comfortable or not feel uncomfortable in their restrooms or locker rooms.

My first paragraph says just that. That if they didn't put that in the contract, I am entitled to have all my money refunded, except for the use I've gotten, even if it's nonrefundable, because of failure to disclose. I would sue to get my money refunded, because I definitely would not stay. If the sign for the room says "women's locker room," that's a misrepresentation, so it should say transgenders are allowed to us any locker room and restroom they choose.

As a further issue, I urge legislation to be passed recognizing my right not to be forced to use the restroom with men. For example, the one restroom on one side of a large mall, the only ladies restroom at a small restaurant, etc.

It's a matter of propriety. Just like it's improper for a 13 year old boy to be in the ladies restroom because his mother is afraid for him to go in the men's bathroom. It's gotten to where everyone seems to be afraid to go in the men's bathroom these days (which is exactly why the transgender wants to go in the women's locker room; he's afraid of the other men).
 
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hopefully I do this right, please let me know if i didn't

Static link: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint - ABC News

Article:

[h=1]Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[/h]
Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM ET
A Michigan woman's Planet Fitness membership was revoked after she complained about a transgender person in the women's locker room.Yvette Cormier, a 48, said she was walking into the Midland Planet Fitness locker room last Saturday when she saw someone "dressed like a man." The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." Cormier, who had been a Planet Fitness member for two months, said she went to the front desk immediately. The man at the desk told her that Planet Fitness policy is "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," she said. "And then he said, 'We've had lots of complaints about him but we told him to go change in a stall,'" Cormier said. "He said, 'if you're uncomfortable with that you can wait until he's done in there,'" she said. "I stood back and said, 'How about he waits until I'm done in the women's locker room. Or get a unisex bathroom.' He asked if I would like to talk to the manager and I said, 'I'm calling corporate.'" When she called the corporate offices, she said, someone there confirmed that the person at the front desk was correct about Planet Fitness policies. "I wouldn't have signed up for this gym if I knew that ahead of time," Cormier said, adding that the gym is "failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man." She said she went back to the gym the next few days and "told everyone in the locker room what happened." She said everyone she talked to "was appalled." On Thursday, Cormier said, Planet Fitness Corporate called and revoked her membership immediately. "They said, 'You are talking to people about him in the women's locker room. You are making people upset.' That's my whole point," she said. "I'm telling them and warning them because you are not doing that. You allow men in there, and we are appalled by it." Planet Fitness Director of Public Relations McCall Gosselin said the gym is "committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."






Wow so this lady made a complete ass of herself hahaha
I love that she made such an ass of herself and a stink of this that HER membership was cancelled. That's awesome. I'd like to know what danger she was talking about.


If you have a penis, you should have to go to the restroom and locker room where the people with penises go. People with vaginas go in the women's restroom and locker room. It's that simple.

If I self-identify as a movie star, do I get to go to the Academy Awards? Nonsense.
 
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My first paragraph says just that. That if they didn't put that in the contract, I am entitled to have all my money refunded, except for the use I've gotten, even if it's nonrefundable, because of failure to disclose. I would sue to get my money refunded, because I definitely would not stay. If the sign for the room says "women's locker room," that's a misrepresentation, so it should say transgenders are allowed to us any locker room and restroom they choose.

As a further issue, I urge legislation to be passed recognizing my right not to be forced to use the restroom with men. For example, the one restroom on one side of a large mall, the only ladies restroom at a small restaurant, etc.

It's a matter of propriety. Just like it's improper for a 13 year old boy to be in the ladies restroom because his mother is afraid for him to go in the men's bathroom. It's gotten to where everyone seems to be afraid to go in the men's bathroom these days (which is exactly why the transgender wants to go in the women's locker room; he's afraid of the other men).

So long as they made the rules available to you somewhere, then no, they did not have to "put that <specifically> in the contract". Pretty sure it was available for the woman to find somewhere.

Again, where I work, anyone is allowed to use any restroom or fitting room they wish to enter. They don't even have to identify as that gender posted. There is nothing that requires us to do that. Those who don't like it can go somewhere else, even if they don't find out about it til after someone is able to enter either the restroom or fitting room.

Now, had the woman calmly and respectfully informed PF that she did not agree with that policy and wanted to go somewhere else, I believe it would have been best if they would have refunded that month's membership fee and any fees paid for future months.

And the transgendered woman's fear is actually much more valid than a woman's fear of the transgendered woman. And propriety means pretty much nothing to me. To me, this is like saying that nursing mothers should do it behind closed bathroom stalls or only at home.
 
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If you have a penis, you should have to go to the restroom and locker room where the people with penises go. People with vaginas go in the women's restroom and locker room. It's that simple.

If I self-identify as a movie star, do I get to go to the Academy Awards? Nonsense.

Why? No one generally sees penises or vaginas in the locker rooms to begin with, and the only time you see anything in the restroom is when a man is using the urinal. Those with vaginas cannot use urinals without making a spectacle out of themselves. I know, I've tried (desperation when that was all that was available, and it was in a private stall). So those in women's restrooms will not see penises even if someone who does have one is in there, because they don't normally see vaginas. And those in men's restrooms will not see vaginas even if someone with one is in there because there are these things called stalls, most of which have locks. Even in locker rooms, people don't normally stay completely naked and the majority have privacy stalls. Heck most of the ones I've been in have individual areas with curtains right outside the showers to get undressed and dressed in complete privacy. And if you are really concerned about it, you can simply go somewhere else, either in general or to change.
 
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1.)I did answer. in private business that's up to the owner. If I owned a bar, I'd not care, some would say whatever sex you actually are vs what "sex" you tried to turn yourself into others the opposite.

In government buildings, I'd say biologically.




interracial marriage isn't a delusion.

1.) well soon i doubt its gonna be a choice. It already is not a choice for those that have legally changed, they get to go in the restroom of thier change and not based on biology

2.) thats called a deflection. You opinion of whether its a delusion or not does not change the fact that is ZERO force to accept it. You are still free to not do so, just like everything else.
 
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I've answered this several times.


private business should be able to do as they please.

thats not an answer to my question not are you the part of the people im asking. The original question was to those crying over this like there was some huge wrong. I want to know what they think PF should have done. YOU are fine with PF running thier own business so your answer is not to my questions since you agree with PF or at least feel they didnt have to do anything different but what they did, its thier choice.
 
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1.) well soon i doubt its gonna be a choice. It already is not a choice for those that have legally changed, they get to go in the restroom of thier change and not based on biology

Like I said, I personally don't care. I don't think others would feel the same however and I think the real shame here is feeding into the delusions.

2.) thats called a deflection. You opinion of whether its a delusion or not does not change the fact that is ZERO force to accept it. You are still free to not do so, just like everything else.


you lost me. interacial marriages are not trying to force people to accept anything. they just be married. a dude who lops off his pee pee and demands EVERYONE accept him as a woman including what facilities he uses is the very definition of forcing ones delusion onto another.
 
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thats not an answer to my question not are you the part of the people im asking. The original question was to those crying over this like there was some huge wrong. I want to know what they think PF should have done. YOU are fine with PF running thier own business so your answer is not to my questions since you agree with PF or at least feel they didnt have to do anything different but what they did, its thier choice.




lol wut?

I sided with private business.... despite my personal beliefs on the matter, it's none of my business what a private business wants to do.

If they wanted segragated by race bathrooms they should have that choice, it's none of my business. (let the business fail on it's racism, not kept open by laws of the state if it's racist).
 
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Like I said, I personally don't care. I don't think others would feel the same however and I think the real shame here is feeding into the delusions.

2.)you lost me. interacial marriages are not trying to force people to accept anything. they just be married.
3.) a dude who lops off his pee pee and demands EVERYONE accept him as a woman including what facilities he uses is the very definition of forcing ones delusion onto another.

1.) accept that the majority of the medical community do not agree and theres lots of success doing so
2.) says you but theres MANY MANUY people that say its forcing them to accept that interracial marriage is ok. But it factually doesnt force anybody to accept anything
3.) again, there is no force to accept anything.
I can take your false example and use it the same with interracial marriage or a different religion etc.
here lets do that no....

"a black and a white who gets married and demands EVERYONE accept them as married including facilities that recongnize marriage is the very definition of forcing ones delusion (that interracial marriage is ok) onto another.

same thing, both false and neither force acceptance
 
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Like I said, I personally don't care. I don't think others would feel the same however and I think the real shame here is feeding into the delusions.

2.)you lost me. interacial marriages are not trying to force people to accept anything. they just be married.
3.) a dude who lops off his pee pee and demands EVERYONE accept him as a woman including what facilities he uses is the very definition of forcing ones delusion onto another.

1.) accept that the majority of the medical community do not agree and theres lots of success doing so
2.) says you but theres MANY MANUY people that say its forcing them to accept that interracial marriage is ok. But it factually doesnt force anybody to accept anything
3.) again, there is no force to accept anything.
I can take your false example and use it the same with interracial marriage or a different religion etc.
here lets do that no....

"a black and a white who gets married and demands EVERYONE accept them as married including facilities that recognize marriage is the very definition of forcing ones delusion (that interracial marriage is ok) onto another.

same thing, both false and neither force acceptance
 
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