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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

AGENT J said:
1.) Cant complain, Im going to be taking on yet another coaching job, this time for the school district, SO ill have a REC team, a Travel Team and a school team. Im excited.
My "little" mini me is getting ready to graduate!!!!
2.) thats awesome! She is young but play around and she if she likes clay and digital stuff too (drawing and photography)
3.) Id be ok with that but that is somethign that would have to be done before hand or when the company feels it can afford it.
4.) why are transgender anymore dangerous than normal people
5.) who says it was secret? and negligence still needs harm or potential of harm
6.) possibly note but she approached people for 4 days and some complained and that violates policy, which, she was simply asked to stop first and she refused
7.) yes she has the right to complain and they have every right to kick her out especially since she broke rules
8.) transgender yes,which is not her decision to make, not her company
9.) that aint gonna happen.
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It isn't "transgendered are dangerous" it is a "man in a woman's locker room is not safe) and safe means many levels including women's feelings of safety.

She is already painting with a few professional painters and looks to be getting ready to start selling some pictures so she really isn't "playing around". ;)

she started and is very good and picked it up so fast it is pretty amazing... I will see if I can send you some but the picture files are too big and I don't know how to shrink them.
 
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countryboy said:
1.)I really cant believe anyone is that ignorant, but for the sake of argument.
2.) A perverted man could claim he "identifies" as a woman to gain access the women's locker room, and ogle, or worse.
3.) But I'm not buying your feigned ignorance. :roll:
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1.) so its ignorant to acknowledge the FACT that there is no perverted man stalking the women's locker room in this story . . you have a weird definition of ignorant
2.) oh so you are talking about somethign MADE UP an invented scenario that did not happen in this story . . got it . . well let me know when that happens
3.) you buying facts or not doesnt change anythign. The fact remains there was no perverted man stalking the women's locker room. If you disagree simply post a link showing there was. thanks
 
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countryboy said:
Are you seriously that naive? Naw.....
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You have yet to explain exactly how they could take advantage in any way that would matter. This is a locker room, with not only people going in and out randomly, but also usually an attendant. If there isn't an attendant and it is so dead that it isn't likely to see people coming in or out, then a guy could go in without their policy in place.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It has everything to do with this topic. It is 100% the issue. 100% literally...
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no it doesnt
there is no perverted man stalking the women's locker room . . . literally not one
can you point him out? whats his name? was he arrested? who is he?
 
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countryboy said:
I really cant believe anyone is that ignorant, but for the sake of argument. A perverted man could claim he "identifies" as a woman to gain access the women's locker room, and ogle, or worse. But I'm not buying your feigned ignorance. :roll:
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How could he do "worse" in a place that has people going in and out on a regular basis? And if they don't, then he could do it without the policy in place.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
1.) It isn't "transgendered are dangerous" it is a "man in a woman's locker room is not safe) and safe means many levels including women's feelings of safety.
2.)She is already painting with a few professional painters and looks to be getting ready to start selling some pictures so she really isn't "playing around". ;)
3.)she started and is very good and picked it up so fast it is pretty amazing... I will see if I can send you some but the picture files are too big and I don't know how to shrink them.
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1.) i couldn't care less about this ladies bigoted "feelings" her actually safety isnt in jeopardy. People probably FEEL their shouldn't be any blacks there or Muslims or Christians . . i dont care about thier feelings lol
2. ) hahahahah AWESOME!!! Im a very solid believe that if you have the means you FEED a child's creativity/interests
3.) well i can send you my email or you can use a program called IrFranView if you are on a PC. Let me know.
 
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AGENT J said:
i dint call it legal discrimination, i said PF has thier own equality policy and thats thier decision, they choose not to discriminate to transgender and again that thier decision.
Lady has no power over that
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It is not discrimination to have a man change in the men's locker room...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It is not discrimination to have a man change in the men's locker room...
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Seriously.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

AGENT J said:
no it doesnt
there is no perverted man stalking the women's locker room . . . literally not one
can you point him out? whats his name? was he arrested? who is he?
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The point of a man being in the woman's locker room is that he doesn't belong there... that he could be a pervert... that the women may not and probably will not feel safe. That is the point 100%.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It is not discrimination to have a man change in the men's locker room...
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never said it was :shrug:
 
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Bodhisattva said:
1.)The point of a man being in the woman's locker room is that he doesn't belong there...
2.) that he could be a pervert...
3.) that the women may not and probably will not feel safe.
4.) That is the point 100%.
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1.) this is about transgender
2.) show could anybody
3,) dont care about thier feelings and they aren't too smart then since there is no increased danger from a transgender
4.) again i dont care about the point of thier feelings

there is no perverted man stalking the women's locker room
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) i couldn't care less about this ladies bigoted "feelings" her actually safety isnt in jeopardy. People probably FEEL their shouldn't be any blacks there or Muslims or Christians . . i dont care about thier feelings lol
2. ) hahahahah AWESOME!!! Im a very solid believe that if you have the means you FEED a child's creativity/interests
3.) well i can send you my email or you can use a program called IrFranView if you are on a PC. Let me know.
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I am looking up IrFranView right now... thanks.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I am looking up IrFranView right now... thanks.
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you're welcome, been using it for years

drag you pic in there and at the top menus bar go under: image, then resize, its easy
 
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AGENT J said:
never said it was :shrug:
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Then he should be changing in the men's room and not be bothering women in the women's room...

1.) this is about transgender
2.) show could anybody
3,) dont care about thier feelings and they aren't too smart then since there is no increased danger from a transgender
4.) again i dont care about the point of thier feelings

there is no perverted man stalking the women's locker room
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1. A trangendered male is a man
2. Statistics are that men sexually abuse women far more than women sexually abuse women... and men are perverts more especially those that want to go into womens locker rooms
3. I don't want women in the mens locker room. You may not care about my feelings but I would argue against allowing her in.
4. That sounds like the mindset of an oppressive male... and I know you aren't one. Protecting women and their feelings seems like a pretty noble thing to me...
 
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AGENT J said:
you're welcome, been using it for years

drag you pic in there and at the top menus bar go under: image, then resize, its easy
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What should I down load... it comes up with all these sites and image versus photo, etc.,
 
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If the woman was so concerned about a transgendered woman seeing her undress, Why doesn't she just use the changing stalls?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
1.)Then he should be changing in the men's room and not be bothering women in the women's room...
1.) A trangendered male is a man
2.) Statistics are that men sexually abuse women far more than women sexually abuse women... and men are perverts more
3.) especially those that want to go into womens locker rooms
4.) I don't want women in the mens locker room. You may not care about my feelings but I would argue against allowing her in.
5.) That sounds like the mindset of an oppressive male... and I know you aren't one. Protecting women and their feelings seems like a pretty noble thing to me...
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1.) you mean ONE woman.
how many guys do you think would complain that he is in the mens locker room dressed as a man and theres a VERY solid chance he likes looking at men in a sexual way

in fact since you want to talk about danger levels
who do you think is safer
A.) the women in the ladies locker room with the transgender man dressed as a woman pre or post opwho is attracted to men
B.) the transgender man attracted to men dressed as a woman pre or post op in the men in the mens locker room

2.) biologically yes he is also transgender and may not even have a penis and is most likely attracted to men. A gay, black, chrisitina man is also a man but they are also gay, black christian etc etc
the topic is about transgender
3.) transgender men? id like to see that statistic
also if we are going off of statistic to equate EXTRA meanings should we not have male coaches, doctors teachers etc that will be dealing with girls? I mean thats what I coach, i coach girls, maybe i shouldnt be allowed cause you know, stats say men are more likely sexual predators. come on Bodi you are better than that
4.) so a transgender man that wants to go into the girls locker room is a pervert? based on what?
5.) and you are free to argue that as they would be free to deny you membership
6.) they arent in danger nor need protecting in this case so im good
thier feelings i still dont care about when they are nonsensical and bigoted

if you can show me the increased danger youll have something
 
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Bodhisattva said:
What should I down load... it comes up with all these sites and image versus photo, etc.,
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Welcome IrfanView users

this is a good trusted cite, just make sure they dont try to give you a google bar or anythign unless you want it lol
 
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AGENT J said:
This cracks me up!
I read a couple articles on this and Planet Fitness did the right thing. After the lady was notified of the companies policy, not only from the front desk but from headquarters she had two choices. Stop going or accept the policy. To continue to complain and demand special treatment and to claim there's a danger and to approach other members for the next four days is what got her membership pulled and rightfully so. I agree she made a complete ass of herself and her membership being pulled was of her own actions.

She stated " I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom."

so basically she wanted it to be her way or no way, her personal subjective comfortably level needed to be the policy in her eyes. Well the fact is its not "HER" locker room, Its planet fitness's locker room.

EDIT: just read another article claiming she was asked to stop approaching people and discussing the transgender member (which others complained her activities), she would not agree so that was the final straw. :shrug:
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Effectively "if you look male, I don't want to see you in the same changing room as myself".

That said, I could see it being an issue if a person who both physically appears as male and mentally identifies as male pretended to mentally identify as female specifically so he could go into the women's locker rooms...for whatever purpose he might have...
I mean...there's no way to test that...

But this does bring to mind an interview I listened to recently, of someone who was mentally male OR female (never both at the same time), and alternated between the two randomly.
 
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imagep said:
the way I understood it, other members were complaining about her complaining. I do agree about the gender neutral locker room though.

Anyhow, I have never had a high opinion of PF due to the "lunk alarm" and would never ever consider going there. Their explaination for the lunk alarm is that they don't won't people to be intimidated by serious weight trainers, but the truth is that serious weight trainers go to the gym several times a week, and thus they aren't profitable at $10/mth.

They design those places in a manner as to attract people who aren't likely to actually use the facilities, and the one near me has nothing but cardio equipment and a few lightweight machines (no free weights at all). I'd prefer someplace a little more serious, I don't won't to waste my time doing exercises that have limited value - not that cardio doesn't have value, but I can do that without any special equipment or with a machine that I can fit in a corner of my bedroom.

I know way too many people who have been "going to the gym" for years, but they don't even look physically fit, they are still flabby. With proper training and diet almost anyone (shy of a 400 pounder) can look "buff" in 2-3 years or less.
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All you really need for cardiac training is a good treadmill. I don't really care about the lunk alarm stuff. What can one expect for $10.00 a month..or $20.00 if you want entry to all locations. I just do not want to be a member of an a gymnasium that cares more about political correctness then customer service.
 
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The Mark said:
1.)Effectively "if you look male, I don't want to see you in the same changing room as myself".
2.)That said, I could see it being an issue if a person who both physically appears as male and mentally identifies as male pretended to mentally identify as female specifically so he could go into the women's locker rooms...for whatever purpose he might have...
3.) I mean...there's no way to test that...

But this does bring to mind an interview I listened to recently, of someone who was mentally male OR female (never both at the same time), and alternated between the two randomly.
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1.) that is the case for some actual biological females. When i was little like 11 I had a paper route and at the paper company when i picked up my papers the lady working the window had a very obvious beard
I dont want a 300lb naked man next to me in the mens locker room either doesnt me i get to make that the policy, you know what i mean. Not saying you are claiming that just saying
2.) yes IF than that person would be a criminal and should be prosecuted. If could also be an issue IF a lot of things happened
3.) not necessarily true. Typically they are diagnosed and do everything as a woman, not just gym workouts lol
and if any place had that simply of a policy just going by word of mouth thats thier choice, but if somethign would happen and they dont go further then i agree it could be an issue but thats not the case here
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It isn't "transgendered are dangerous" it is a "man in a woman's locker room is not safe) and safe means many levels including women's feelings of safety.

She is already painting with a few professional painters and looks to be getting ready to start selling some pictures so she really isn't "playing around". ;)

she started and is very good and picked it up so fast it is pretty amazing... I will see if I can send you some but the picture files are too big and I don't know how to shrink them.
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Their feelings on whether they are safe are their own issue, not those who are not doing anything different than anyone else would be doing in a locker room. It is reasonable for them to feel unsafe if anyone, male or female, threatens them in some way. It is really not reasonable for a woman to feel unsafe just because there is a transgender woman or even a man in the locker room with them, especially when the majority of such places have many people in a locker room at a time. That is their own paranoia that is the problem.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

AGENT J said:
1.) that is the case for some actual biological females. When i was little like 11 I had a paper route and at the paper company when i picked up my papers the lady working the window had a very obvious beard
I dont want a 300lb naked man next to me in the mens locker room either doesnt me i get to make that the policy, you know what i mean. Not saying you are claiming that just saying
2.) yes IF than that person would be a criminal and should be prosecuted. If could also be an issue IF a lot of things happened
3.) not necessarily true. Typically they are diagnosed and do everything as a woman, not just gym workouts lol
and if any place had that simply of a policy just going by word of mouth thats thier choice, but if somethign would happen and they dont go further then i agree it could be an issue but thats not the case here
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Quite frankly, I sometimes think that we either need to have individual changing rooms/showers, everywhere (expensive).

OR stop giving so many ****s about having to look at naked people, however they appear physically.
 
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The Mark said:
Quite frankly, I sometimes think that we either need to have individual changing rooms/showers, everywhere (expensive).

OR stop giving so many ****s about having to look at naked people, however they appear physically.
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i dont disagree with hat, and that's one of the reason this lady was given the boot.
she had the option of using the private stalls in the locker room and that wasn't good enough
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

So, do those who object to a transgender woman or man being in the locker room of the gender they identify with also object to children of the opposite gender accompanying their parents into the locker rooms too? How old would you cut them off? What about those with disabilities?
 
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