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ROTFLOL... how long until this "right" is bestowed on US citizens?

Oughta be a field day for divorce lawyers.

Will it be limited to only homosexuals? LOL...

Lovely story. It's a shame the Mail and I'm guessing the OP are treating it as a joke. The boys look very happy. I wish them well.
 
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I'm fine with that as well. I also am of the strong opinion that the government should be out of the marriage business all together.

I've never been remotely bothered who rubber-stamps marriage certificates. If the state wants to do it or the various chuches/temples/whatever so be it. What I don't want to see is that certain domestic arrangements are rewarded by tax-payers money, while others are not. That's the business the state should have no hand in.
 
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Why is it wrong to be concerned about the impact social changes will have on society?

Because other people getting married has absolutely nothing to do with you. Please quantify how other people's marriages effect your life directly. Be specific.

I think religion impacts society negatively. Does that magically give me a right to tell you what religious beliefs you can and can't hold? You do not have the right to force your view of society on other people. And frankly, the world needs more people loving each other, and that's always a good thing.
 
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No evidence... LOL... same sex marriage anyone. 15-years ago people were laughing at the possibility.

It was over 15 years ago that the first court case concerning same sex couples and marriage in the US won, in Hawaii, prompting DOMA to begin with. So your contention that 15 years ago people were laughing at the possibility of same sex marriage here in the US is ludicrous unless you're speaking about those people who are too ignorant or blind to what is going on in society to know. It was almost 20 years ago that I was arguing for same sex marriage being legal in a high school english class.
 
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Well hardly the first such marriage. First publicized maybe, but that would be about it. Polys have been getting married in the US for years, not to mention across the globe. The fact that there is one that is all one gender isn't really surprising.
 
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So the question is why do we think having all these benefits for married couples are a good idea.

Because the majority want the majority of the benefits and more importantly protections that come from being married and there is really no one who is being treated unequally by giving such benefits, since we give various benefits to various people for doing various things in this country, particularly taking on certain responsibilities. Foster parents are given money from the government, military service members, even veterans, are given various benefits from the government and even private entities, people who own certain property or grow certain types of food are given money from the government to do something they want. Even just being recognized as a legal relation to someone else besides spouse grants many of the same benefits that come from being a spouse. The other benefits are viewed as beneficial to society.
 
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If the government simply registered "civil unions", this whole "Gay marriage" issue would disappear.


Let people call thier unions whatever they want, the government should have no say.,

Not true, as is evidenced by the fact that so many of those bans getting struck down now included anything resembling marriage, by another name. That is a claim only being made recently when the writing on the wall could easily be seen by those conservatives who were in a frenzy to ensure no recognition was given just a decade or so before in so many states.

Neither religion nor opposite sex couples own exclusive rights to the meaning of the word marriage or what it is used to describe, who can use that word for their relationship.
 
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I'm telling you the solution. just call em all civil unions, if the government stopped calling it marriage, that whole argument goes away. you have far fewer people screaming about gay adoption than you do gay marriage.

Take the religious word out of the unions and there is little to fight over.


plus, if you decide you are "against gay civil unions" there is no doubt you are calling for the oppression of peoples, not simply "protecting the sanctity, blah blah blah of marriage".

Religion does not own the word marriage, for anyone. It doesn't matter how much they want to claim it so there is absolutely no reason to change what we call legally recognized unions, now known as "marriages", just to appease those too petty to share a word.
 
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Why is it wrong to be concerned about the impact social changes will have on society?

Because "social change" is a part of life, part of time. It happens because no society is perfect, not even close. There will always be people who are not satisfied that society is the way they want it to be. However, when people are being oppressed because of that dissatisfaction of other people, because those others don't want certain people to be able to do things that they can do, that is when change is needed unless there is evidence that the change will cause some sort of harm. Cost/benefit analysis on this particular social change, in allowing same sex couples to marry, easily shows that it doesn't cost society nearly as much as it benefits society. On the other hand, allowing anyone to have more than one spouse legally recognized as such, easily costs society (especially monetarily) more than it benefits society. There could be ways to alleviate the costs to society by taking certain steps beforehand, but not enough people are willing to make such a huge social change, even of those who would benefit from being able to have multiple spouses.
 
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It was over 15 years ago that the first court case concerning same sex couples and marriage in the US won, in Hawaii, prompting DOMA to begin with. So your contention that 15 years ago people were laughing at the possibility of same sex marriage here in the US is ludicrous unless you're speaking about those people who are too ignorant or blind to what is going on in society to know. It was almost 20 years ago that I was arguing for same sex marriage being legal in a high school english class.

15-years ago people were laughing because the thought of it was absurd.
 
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15-years ago people were laughing because the thought of it was absurd.

And years from now, people will think it absurd that we actually criminalized what two consenting adults do with each others body parts even in the privacy of their own home.
 
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Why is it wrong to be concerned about the impact social changes will have on society?


Depends....for some issues...probably most...there are 2 sides and both may affect society. Like once a minority is recognized as being equal and thus deserving of such rights...as happened with black and women....society and the courts must weigh the immediate and longer-term influences on society (best interests of the state) against the Constitutional rights of the individuals. Continuing to treat certain members of society as 2nd class when legitimately their Constitutional Rights or other legal rights in society are being infringed on also harms society.

I'm discussing the US, obviously.
 
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15-years ago people were laughing because the thought of it was absurd.

This isn't true. The only ones laughing were those too ignorant to realize what was really going on in our society. Again, DOMA was enacted over 20 years ago, after the Hawaii supreme court ruled that a law that didn't allow same sex couples to legally marry did not abide by the Hawaii state constitution. I was in the Navy over 15 years ago, and there were plenty of us discussing same sex marriage and DOMA from the position that it would only be a matter of time (decade or so at that time) when same sex couples would get legally married, and the majority of us supported that.
 
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This isn't true. The only ones laughing were those too ignorant to realize what was really going on in our society. Again, DOMA was enacted over 20 years ago, after the Hawaii supreme court ruled that a law that didn't allow same sex couples to legally marry did not abide by the Hawaii state constitution. I was in the Navy over 15 years ago, and there were plenty of us discussing same sex marriage and DOMA from the position that it would only be a matter of time (decade or so at that time) when same sex couples would get legally married, and the majority of us supported that.

My cousin and his partner adopted a baby in 2001....so that's 14 yrs ago. They were only able to marry 2 yrs ago.

Certainly acceptance of SSM and gay families started well before 15 yrs ago and the more 'advanced' members of society knew it.
 
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It was over 15 years ago that the first court case concerning same sex couples and marriage in the US won, in Hawaii, prompting DOMA to begin with. So your contention that 15 years ago people were laughing at the possibility of same sex marriage here in the US is ludicrous unless you're speaking about those people who are too ignorant or blind to what is going on in society to know. It was almost 20 years ago that I was arguing for same sex marriage being legal in a high school english class.

I wrote a letter to the editor saying it should be legal in the late 80s.....

Thrilled to see it happening!
 
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Why is it wrong to be concerned about the impact social changes will have on society?

Nothing wrong to be concerned. But even those arguing against SSM in the California Prop 8 case agreed it would be good for our country and more in keeping with our values if it was legalized.

In this case, the impact will end up being good - less discrimination, more stable families, kids getting security, etc.

(and by the way - all the concern in the world often doesn't stop social changes. Low rider jeans? really?)
 
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I wrote a letter to the editor saying it should be legal in the late 80s.....

Thrilled to see it happening!

I was in single digit age in the 80s.

However, I was arguing for same sex marriage in the late 90s, while in high school. Even then, the most the other side could come up with was "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". It was one of the things that pissed me off the most about that particular teacher because my debate partner and I actually researched laws and social customs throughout US history to argue our point, and the other side brought in the Bible. We both got A's.
 
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I was in single digit age in the 80s.

However, I was arguing for same sex marriage in the late 90s, while in high school. Even then, the most the other side could come up with was "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". It was one of the things that pissed me off the most about that particular teacher because my debate partner and I actually researched laws and social customs throughout US history to argue our point, and the other side brought in the Bible. We both got A's.

Yea for you!! but bummer on the other side getting an A too.
 
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And years from now, people will think it absurd that we actually criminalized what two consenting adults do with each others body parts even in the privacy of their own home.

This is about the perversion of marriage, not sodomy behind closed doors.
 
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This is about the perversion of marriage, not sodomy behind closed doors.

And it is nothing but your opinion that it is a "perversion" of marriage.
 
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This is about the perversion of marriage, not sodomy behind closed doors.

I would tend to think with what straight people have done with marriage for the last few hundred years, gay people could not pervert it any more than it already is.
 
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ROTFLOL... how long until this "right" is bestowed on US citizens?

Oughta be a field day for divorce lawyers.

Will it be limited to only homosexuals? LOL...

The world is going nuts and people are getting weirder. Need either a plague or a war.
 
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I would tend to think with what straight people have done with marriage for the last few hundred years, gay people could not pervert it any more than it already is.

excellent point! Was it Brittney Spears or someone else who married a guy (long-term friend) in Vegas and got divorced a few days later? What about Kim Kardashian? Hell, look at what Gingrich did to slime marriage.
 
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excellent point! Was it Brittney Spears or someone else who married a guy (long-term friend) in Vegas and got divorced a few days later? What about Kim Kardashian? Hell, look at what Gingrich did to slime marriage.

One of them was married for 14 hours.
 
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This is about the perversion of marriage, not sodomy behind closed doors.

How would gays that love each other pervert marriage more than straight married people that cheat on their spouses, committing adultery? Or those that beat their spouses?

How is 2 people of any combination more perverted, more damaging to the institution, than those things?

Er....are you sure you're clear on what the marriage commitment means? Not the word 'marriage,' what it actually means to the 2 people involved.
 
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