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Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

I totally agree 100%!!!! im thinking because of his mental superiority at surgery he just thinks he can easily figure out the rest. He obviously doesnt have any people(advisers) yet or he ignores them.

Or he has bad advisers who didn't think through the issues that will come up right out of the gate.
 
No, not correct because you implied that some gays wanted CUs instead of marriage. That's not completely accurate. They supported CUs in the face of no other options on the foreseeable horizon.

And again NO, I did not say that nor imply that. I said, quite clearly, that the initial movement was to have civil unions have the same force of law as traditional marriage did. They didn't want the name initially, they wanted the benefits, privileges, and rights that heterosexual spouses have applied to SS spouses. When there was resistance to that position, they took the next step and moved to demanding that SS unions be declared legally as marriage.

It's always wisest to state your own views clearly rather than try to speak for other people.
 
These are identical twins... identical in every way... so yes... reason says that both would be oriented one way or another... that is why they funded studies of thousands of identical twins.

No, please source where identical twins are identical in every way. Someone can also carry genes that are not expressed..did you know that? Altho again, there is no gay gene.

Each individual's body responds individually to external influences. While gestating, the unborn are subjected to many hormones and proteins and even chemicals (nicotine for ex) in utero. All based on how the mother eats, drinks, reacts to stresses and other influences in HER environment. These things can affect the physiology and chemical and hormonal development of the unborn individually...and are not genetic.
 
Dr. Carson will not be able to apologize his way into the White House.

This is hilarious... we have The Clinton Crime Family as the front runner and royalty... of the Demokrat party.

We have a liar with no inexperience, mentored by a racist and anti-American, schooled in the ways of a Communist, and this bothers Leftists? Nooooooooooooo.

I guess you knew Obama was lying about his gay marriage stance... it wasn't an evolution, it was a flat out lie.

Reading stuff like yours is beyond funny.
 
The constitution isn't worth the parchment it's written on, if it can't guarantee equal protection. So whatever, i couldn't care less about the legal bickering, only the results. Nothing is being imposed on you either, so it doesn't effect you in the slightest.

The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment may or may not be the basis of a Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage. But the guarantee of equal protection is not as simple-minded as you imagine. Hundreds of thousands of laws all over the U.S. impose all sorts of disadvantages on specified groups of people every day without raising any equal protection issue. Just think of all those poor, persecuted polygamists!

Anyone who thinks the guarantee of equal protection of the laws is to be taken literally and applied universally should read Nordlinger v. Hahn, in which the Supreme Court upheld California's Proposition 13. The Court held that law did not violate the guarantee of equal protection, even though it required a homeowner to pay a far larger property tax than another homeowner with an almost identical property nearby. Guess that means the Constitution isn't worth the parchment it's written on.
 
And again NO, I did not say that nor imply that. I said, quite clearly, that the initial movement was to have civil unions have the same force of law as traditional marriage did. They didn't want the name initially, they wanted the benefits, privileges, and rights that heterosexual spouses have applied to SS spouses. When there was resistance to that position, they took the next step and moved to demanding that SS unions be declared legally as marriage.

It's always wisest to state your own views clearly rather than try to speak for other people.

And again you avoid what I said: that the reason they were trying to get equality under a different label was because equality under the same label was not on the foreseeable horizon. There was no option to go for marriage. They didnt want CUs instead of marriage....it just seemed more attainable.

Please provide sources that say gays never really wanted 'marriage' under that name. I call BS. And the bold makes no sense...that they would give up on the lower legal bar and just 'get all uppity" (implied) and then demand the Full Monty. That is some biased thought in what I bolded.
 
"Gotja!(sic) games"? Asking a candidate a for the highest office in the land on a topical issue is a "gotja!(sic) game"? What do you think reporters should be allowed to ask candidates? Should they pre-approve all questions with the candidate before asking them?
Or just check with you first?



I believe that we heard this same story back when Sarah Palin was helping McCain lose in 2008. :roll:
 
Or he has bad advisers who didn't think through the issues that will come up right out of the gate.

Or it could also be that he actually believes what he said, for religious reasons or other reasons, and he saw no reason to lie about it. That's why he's a much better doctor than he's a politician.
 
I'm sure a lot of religious people believe that being gay is a choice. I'm sure they would also say what he did about prison and heterosexuals engaging in homosexual activity. That's his opinion. I think it's wrong, but Obama's was also wrong in 2008. And people still voted for him, knowing that as POTUS he opposed the idea of same sex marriage.

How was Obama wrong? Gay marriage can be legal in all 50 states and it doesnt mean his opinion is wrong. It means that what he believes. right and wrong is subjective regarding marriage and sure, people are allowed to believe what they want.

Not believing in actual medical and scientific things like homosexuality being a choice and evolution? That is not opinion, that's ignorance.
 
No, please source where identical twins are identical in every way. Someone can also carry genes that are not expressed..did you know that? Altho again, there is no gay gene.

Each individual's body responds individually to external influences. While gestating, the unborn are subjected to many hormones and proteins and even chemicals (nicotine for ex) in utero. All based on how the mother eats, drinks, reacts to stresses and other influences in HER environment. These things can affect the physiology and chemical and hormonal development of the unborn individually...and are not genetic.

7,600 pairs of identical twins under Swedish inspection.
They had the same womb service.

Try again.
 
How was Obama wrong? Gay marriage can be legal in all 50 states and it doesnt mean his opinion is wrong. It means that what he believes. right and wrong is subjective regarding marriage and sure, people are allowed to believe what they want.

Not believing in actual medical and scientific things like homosexuality being a choice and evolution? That is not opinion, that's ignorance.

I think Obama was wrong when he said that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. Did you agree with him then, and evolve to your current beliefs?

Ben Carson believes that being gay is a choice. Isn't that his opinion too?
 
I believe that we heard this same story back when Sarah Palin was helping McCain lose in 2008. :roll:

It must be a sad existence living a life of misinformation.

Here...let me help you:
For over five years, a consistent media claim has been that former Alaska governor Sarah Palin hurt Republican presidential nominee John McCain in 2008 and that he would have fared better with anyone else on the ticket besides her.

A recent study by political science professors at Bradley University debunks this claim concluding instead that Palin was a net plus for McCain including with independents and moderates.

The first serious study on this matter was conducted by University of Central Florida political science professor Jonathan Knuckey and was published in Political Research Quarterly in April 2011:

- See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...palin-helped-mccain-2008#sthash.VaFVgPBt.dpuf
 
7,600 pairs of identical twins under Swedish inspection.
They had the same womb service.

Try again.

That does not mean that the individual unborn absorbed or were affected the same way by the influences.
 
I think Obama was wrong when he said that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. Did you agree with him then, and evolve to your current beliefs?

Ben Carson believes that being gay is a choice. Isn't that his opinion too?

Carson claimed that "gay sex in prison IS PROOF that being gay is a choice." Looks like he's making a claim of proof...not an opinion. Well, unless of course a claim of proof is just an opinion.

Whata you think?
 
And again you avoid what I said: that the reason they were trying to get equality under a different label was because equality under the same label was not on the foreseeable horizon. There was no option to go for marriage. They didnt want CUs instead of marriage....it just seemed more attainable.

Please provide sources that say gays never really wanted 'marriage' under that name. I call BS. And the bold makes no sense...that they would give up on the lower legal bar and just 'get all uppity" (implied) and then demand the Full Monty. That is some biased thought in what I bolded.

You know what, I've humoured you this far, but I'm sick of it and I don't give a flying **** what you think of my opinion and I'm not going to spend another moment of my day amending and correcting your bastardization of what I post. Read my posts, agree or disagree, or ignore them - I don't care.

Have a good day.
 
I think Obama was wrong when he said that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. Did you agree with him then, and evolve to your current beliefs?

Ben Carson believes that being gay is a choice. Isn't that his opinion too?

It has nothing to do with my agreeing with either. Marriage between 2 same sex people is wrong? That's opinion. And yes, I objected to his opinion.

Gay being a choice: not an opinion so believing it is either willful or unintentional (based on religious belief...fine, same difference)...ignorance.

Ha ha ha...I was going to use an example like: if his opinion is that the sky is purple and not blue....is he wrong or that's 'just his opinion.'

And then I remembered that stupid thing going around about the dress! LOL
 
You know what, I've humoured you this far, but I'm sick of it and I don't give a flying **** what you think of my opinion and I'm not going to spend another moment of my day amending and correcting your bastardization of what I post. Read my posts, agree or disagree, or ignore them - I don't care.

Have a good day.

No problem, just see my signature below in green. I was very polite...I cant help it if you dug yourself in deeper as you went.
 
Or it could also be that he actually believes what he said, for religious reasons or other reasons, and he saw no reason to lie about it. That's why he's a much better doctor than he's a politician.

I thought about that in the instant I hit submit. If those are truly his beliefs, I totally agree he should voice them and not lie.

I still think he and his advisers should think through and prepare answers that are not unnecessarily offensive, that could result in a walk back of something he said. Like the comments he apologized for.
 
Carson claimed that "gay sex in prison IS PROOF that being gay is a choice." Looks like he's making a claim of proof...not an opinion. Well, unless of course a claim of proof is just an opinion.

Whata you think?

So everyone is mad because he said that gay sex in prison if proof that being gay is a choice. Okay. Maybe I missed the scientific studies that were done on why people engage in homosexual sexual activities in prison that either back him up or prove him wrong. I missed them.

Barack Obama said marriage should only be between a man and a woman. That's much better, because he never mentioned that he had proof of that.

Lesson to future politicians - never say "I have proof" or else the opposing party will be very upset. Say whatever you want about your opinion, though.
 
Nah, they won't because mostly only bigots vote in the repub primary

Religion has this curious effect of making people who are otherwise brilliant and dedicated adherents of scientific method into mideast goat herders from 2000 years ago, when it comes to certain subjects - and this is one of those

In other words, he's dumber than a lobotomized monkey



What Carson has achieved so far in his life is ample proof that he's not dumb but there are some things that he knows less about than he thinks he knows.

And he just opened up his mouth and talked about one of them.
 
I thought about that in the instant I hit submit. If those are truly his beliefs, I totally agree he should voice them and not lie.

I still think he and his advisers should think through and prepare answers that are not unnecessarily offensive, that could result in a walk back of something he said. Like the comments he apologized for.

I personally don't think he should be running for office at all. I've been saying for the last year that he's not a politician. I don't think he has what it takes to lie, cheat, pontificate, etc. But I'm not sure how much less offensive to people he's going to be on this issue anyway. He doesn't approve of gay people, and I don't see that ever changing. There's not really a way he can sugar coat that to make it appealing to many.

Hope all is well with you Shoelady!
 
That does not mean that the individual unborn absorbed or were affected the same way by the influences.

You're reaching... and badly so.

7,600 is no small sample. It included all Swedish twins. Same mother... same womb service... same exposures.

Any "deviations" would be statistically insignificant, that is why they studied "identical twins".
 
What Carson has achieved so far in his life is ample proof that he's not dumb but there are some things that he knows less about than he thinks he knows.

And he just opened up his mouth and talked about one of them.

I respectfully disagree. He has called evolution 'propaganda.' I dont believe he hasnt learned about evolution...I believe that he learned it and then chose to ignore it or deny it based on religious belief alone. I believe he's aware of the professionally published information on both sides of the debate if being gay is a choice or not. I believe he made the same choice there.

Yes, that is a personal choice. And my personal *belief* and *opinion* is that willful denial or manipulation of science, esp. based on religion, is a real flag in ANY person in a position of power.

And I am a religious person.

Edit: Er, I went off on a bit of a tangent not directly in response to you post. Sorreh!
 
You're reaching... and badly so.

7,600 is no small sample. It included all Swedish twins. Same mother... same womb service... same exposures.

Any "deviations" would be statistically insignificant, that is why they studied "identical twins".

No, not reaching for anything.

Did you decide to be straight?
 
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