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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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Even a psychiatrist will tell you that these things are unknown and theoretical. You act like its settled fact.

Then why does the issue even matter. Why would a learned man not say that. Why would Doctor foot-in-mouth even venture to give an anecdotal summation on Homosexuality?
 
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Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person's sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex.

However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of one's own sex) and bisexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to both men and women). This range of behaviors and attractions has been described in various cultures and nations throughout the world. Many cultures use identity labels to describe people who express these attractions. In the United States the most frequent labels are lesbians (women attracted to women), gay men (men attracted to men), and bisexual people (men or women attracted to both sexes). However, some people may use different labels or none at all.

Sexual orientation is distinct from other components of sex and gender, including biological sex (the anatomical, physiological and genetic characteristics associated with being male or female), gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female)* and social gender role (the cultural norms that define feminine and masculine behavior).
Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing.

Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment.

Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one's sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.


American Psychological Associate - Sexual Orientation

While you are really working hard to tie "SEXUAL ORIENTATION" to sexual experiences - like in a prison, such sexual activities fail to meet the criteria above as described by the American Psychological Association.

In other words, sex in prison doesn't meet the definition of "sexual orientation".

So I opine that your claim "Just a pattern NOT PERMANENT" - isn't congruent to the definition of "sexual orientation". More like "sexual experimentation".
 
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" … I realized that my choice of language does not reflect fully my heart on gay issues," he wrote. "I do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation. I regret that my words to express that concept were hurtful and divisive. For that I apologize unreservedly to all that were offended."

He doesn't even believe the crap he says...
 
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He doesn't even believe the crap he says...

You just can't stand the thought of a Black Conservative in office. ;)
 
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Even a psychiatrist will tell you that these things are unknown and theoretical. You act like its settled fact.


In the world of reality, being born Gay is a settled fact! Only the benighted challenge this view. As a general rule I rarely respond to people so much out of the loop; it's like talking to someone who claims the earth is only 7000 years old. Will you please produce a link supporting your thesis that a "psychiatrist" with his bona fides who says "it's unknown whether Gays are a choice or naturally born." Thanking you in advance.
 
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You just can't stand the thought of a Black Conservative in office. ;)

Why can't I stand a black conservative in office?

Is a Black conservative any different than a regular ol conservative? I can't stand the idea of ANY conservative in the WH. Black, blue, orange or teal.
 
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Then why does the issue even matter. Why would a learned man not say that. Why would Doctor foot-in-mouth even venture to give an anecdotal summation on Homosexuality?

Im not saying it matters, he was probably asked that question as a "got cha". Its his bad for going down that road, the media has and will be entirely adversarial towards him or any other Republican.

He's going to be asked questions about homosexuality because he's made it clear he's against it. Same with evolution. Walker has played it smarter by generally avoiding those subjects.
 
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While you are really working hard to tie "SEXUAL ORIENTATION" to sexual experiences - like in a prison, such sexual activities fail to meet the criteria above as described by the American Psychological Association.

In other words, sex in prison doesn't meet the definition of "sexual orientation".

So I opine that your claim "Just a pattern NOT PERMANENT" - isn't congruent to the definition of "sexual orientation". More like "sexual experimentation".

Ive already said in this thread that orientation refers to how the individual describes it. Did you read that?
 
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In the world of reality, being born Gay is a settled fact! Only the benighted challenge this view. As a general rule I rarely respond to people so much out of the loop; it's like talking to someone who claims the earth is only 7000 years old. Will you please produce a link supporting your thesis that a "psychiatrist" with his bona fides who says "it's unknown whether Gays are a choice or naturally born." Thanking you in advance.

Actually thats what you'd like to think. Psychiatry is a new, unsettled, and "soft" science. Like I said theres no lab test for gay.
 
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You just can't stand the thought of a Black Conservative in office. ;)
I can't stand any conservative being in office, I don't see where the color of his skin has to do with anything, why do you?
 
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Ive already said in this thread that orientation refers to how the individual describes it. Did you read that?

Sorry must have missed it. All I saw was your comment that simply said...only need a pattern and NOT permanent.

That's contrary to the American Psychological Assoc. It says patterns are ENDURING...there is a difference, no?
 
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Sorry must have missed it. All I saw was your comment that simply said...only need a pattern and NOT permanent.

That's contrary to the American Psychological Assoc. It says patterns are ENDURING...there is a difference, no?

Between enduring and permanent? yes.
 
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Im not saying it matters, he was probably asked that question as a "got cha". Its his bad for going down that road, the media has and will be entirely adversarial towards him or any other Republican.

He's going to be asked questions about homosexuality because he's made it clear he's against it. Same with evolution. Walker has played it smarter by generally avoiding those subjects.

So you think asking a candidate for the highest office in the land a question on a topical issue is "Got cha"(sic)?
 
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The Republican Party needs Ben Carson. The two Republicans capable of defeating the leftists are Ben Carson and Scott Walker. They would make a great team.
 
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Carson:
"You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,"

and this quote which he supposedly quoted Lenin, but Lenin never said:

He declared: 'Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.'"

also:

“I think most people when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for ISIS.”

~Ben Carson, claiming the AP History curriculum will cause students who learn about civil disobedience in this country to join a violent terrorist group,

and:

“My thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society, and no group — be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are — they don’t get to change the definition.”

Anyone who thinks this guy has a chance to be POTUS just isn't paying attention. Thankfully he has no chance. He lackscommon sense. He's too deeply embedded by his religious inspired fear to be able to make rational, sensible decisions outside of the medical field.
 
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So you think asking a candidate for the highest office in the land a question on a topical issue is "Got cha"(sic)?
Homosexuality and evolution are topical issues?

Gruber was being too kind.
 
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Homosexuality and evolution are topical issues?

Gruber was being too kind.

Certainly they are. Did you not know that evolution and the teaching of it are issues in many states, and did you not know that SSM for example is a hot issue that is going before the Supreme Court later this year? That kinda makes them topical issues.
 
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Certainly they are. Did you not know that evolution and the teaching of it are issues in many states, and did you not know that SSM for example is a hot issue that is going before the Supreme Court later this year? That kinda makes them topical issues.

So the teaching of evolution is a State issue? Then why pester a Presidential candidate?

Then SSM will be decided by the Supreme Court and the issue settled. Where's the problem?

Why not talk of important national and international issues rather than trivializing the process? Is the left still interested in what sort of underwear a candidate wears?
 
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So the teaching of evolution is a State issue? Then why pester a Presidential candidate?

Then SSM will be decided by the Supreme Court and the issue settled. Where's the problem?

Why not talk of important national and international issues rather than trivializing the process? Is the left still interested in what sort of underwear a candidate wears?

Wait, first you say they are not topical, then when shown they are topical, you move the goalpost? Why not just admit you where wrong? And both issues can be effected at a federal level. Just one very quick example, SSM will probably be finally decided by SCOTUS, but could be overturned by a later SCOTUS, which the next president will be picking nominees for, or a constitutional amendment, which the president will certainly weigh in on.

If you want to be a serious candidate for president, you have to accept that the pressi s going to ask you questions. Crying about it just makes you look weak.
 
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Wait, first you say they are not topical, then when shown they are topical, you move the goalpost? Why not just admit you where wrong? And both issues can be effected at a federal level. Just one very quick example, SSM will probably be finally decided by SCOTUS, but could be overturned by a later SCOTUS, which the next president will be picking nominees for, or a constitutional amendment, which the president will certainly weigh in on.If you want to be a serious candidate for president, you have to accept that the pressi s going to ask you questions. Crying about it just makes you look weak.
Crying about it? Okay, whatever.
 
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Why can't I stand a black conservative in office?

Is a Black conservative any different than a regular ol conservative? I can't stand the idea of ANY conservative in the WH. Black, blue, orange or teal.

It was a little in fun, lighten up Eugene.
 
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It was a little in fun, lighten up Eugene.

Francis. It is "lighten up Francis". Eugene is the guy who needs to be careful with that axe.
 
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Francis. It is "lighten up Francis". Eugene is the guy who needs to be careful with that axe.

Sgt. Hulka from Stripes! Oh, wow, flashback city....

Psycho: The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.
Leon: Ooooooh.
Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.
Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.
 
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What a waste of time and money . . . . he has ZERO chance of being president

I honestly hope that MULTIPLE people who can actually get elected run
i dont care what party they claim, even though to get elected they will have to claim republican or democrat, which also sucks and is another issue.

Republicans have been solidly behind candidates that can't win of late. Seems they haven't learned from the past yet.
 
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