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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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Redress said:
1.)Translation: I am embarrassed I said something stupid so I will blame other people.
2.)See how stupid that is?
3.) Any one can translate anything any one posts to mean something completely different.
4.) It is not my fault you posted something stupid, it is yours.
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1.) link? quote? oh thats right you cant quote me saying the lie you made up in your head
2.) yes i see how stupid your claim is since you made it up and cant support it with one single fact
4.) your opinion of my post doesnt change the fact your assumption was wrong :shrug:
keep trying though its hilarious watching you lose to facts
3.) yes they can and sometimes, like you did, they are factually wrong and theres no logic to support said claim
 
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Nilly said:
Appeal to authority and appeal to popularity in the same post.

Why specify pediatric? What does the fact he works on children have anything to do with his knowledge on evolution?
Why specify neuro? What does the fact that he specialises on a particular part of surgery have to do with his knowledge on evolution?

The only indicator we have of his knowledge on evolution is his lack of belief in it, and based on that, I can pretty confidently say I know more about evolution that he does.

If America was to elect a president that openly disagrees with evolution, we would

a) be going backwards.
b) be the laughing stock of the western world.

Fact.
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It means he's taken advanced embryology, have you? Neurology is also heavy on this as it explains the origins of our cns. My point is he knows more that you-and yet he's come to that conclusion. I can respect that.
 
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Erod said:
A favorite of mine, but far too overqualified to be president. We don't elected accomplished candidates anymore.
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I put a like on this because it made me laugh. I love subtle sarcastic humor
 
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US Conservative said:
We know, the debate is settled. :roll: What does a pediatric neurosurgeon know anyways?

The fact is his beliefs are not unique, and he probably knows more about the science of evolution than you do.
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He clearly does not know more about evolution than I do, actually.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
You won't get slammed by me, in fact you beat me to it.

I agree, Obama has been so divisive that chances of the nation going to a black, two in a row after how tumultuous this has been is simply not possible.

And Geraldine Ferraro did indeed make it impossible for a woman to be on the ticket....

He has not advanced the cause by being incompetent and adversarial.
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Yeah, After George Bush they didn't go back to back white
 
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rjay said:
Yeah, After George Bush they didn't go back to back white
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So the Democratic party really IS racist...thanks for confirming that.

And it's a relief to know Hillary is out because of her skin...
 
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US Conservative said:
It means he's taken advanced embryology, have you? Neurology is also heavy on this as it explains the origins of our cns. My point is he knows more that you-and yet he's come to that conclusion. I can respect that.
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Carsons main objection to evolution lies in the fact that he doesn't believe that complexity can't arise out of simplicity. I haven't taken advanced embryology but I have taken chaos theory and spontaneous order. Which is where his issue, the doubting of emergence of complexity from simple systems, lies.

Plenty of other scientists have delved into the emergence of complexity in evolution (such as the evolution of the eye). It has been Carsons prerogative to ignore that in favor of a centuries old book. That is not a decision I can respect, and not a quality I want in a leader.
 
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Carson has much a chance of winning the Republican nomination as Trump does.
This is always the problem with the Republican presidential candidate search is that they allow the clown car to bring the candidates.
 
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Nilly said:
Carsons main objection to evolution lies in the fact that he doesn't believe that complexity can't arise out of simplicity. I haven't taken advanced embryology but I have taken chaos theory and spontaneous order. Which is where his issue, the doubting of emergence of complexity from simple systems, lies.

Plenty of other scientists have delved into the emergence of complexity (such as the evolution of the eye). It has been Carsons prerogative to ignore that in favor of a centuries old book. That is not a decision I can respect, and not a quality I want in a leader.
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You can respect it or not, Im saying his opinion is more informed than yours, and deserving of some respect.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
So the Democratic party really IS racist...thanks for confirming that.

And it's a relief to know Hillary is out because of her skin...
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Oh my.

Look at remarks through your own prism much? You think only Democrats vote Democratic? You think only Republicans vote Republican?

Some people vote for the best of the two candidates on offer. Some people don't say = My Grandaddy voted ______________ so I must vote for them too.
 
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Nilly said:
Evolution isn't an election issue. Not believing in evolution is.
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Well that's quite an improvement and I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that then.
It's a sad commentary on any people, and its media, when not believing in 'evolution' becomes an election issue.
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You seem to be one of those progressives who really has an understanding of what's really important for the future of the country.
 
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US Conservative said:
You can respect it or not, Im saying his opinion is more informed than yours, and deserving of some respect.
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And I'm saying it's not. Because, as an intelligent guy, if he had informed himself he would have arrived at the same conclusion as the rest of the intelligent people.

Sure, Carson is worthy of respect. But a dumb opinion, even from an incredibly smart person, is not worthy of respect.
 
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Grant said:
Well that's quite an improvement and I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that then. You seem to be one of those progressives who really has an understanding of what's really important for the future of the country.
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Wikipedia said:
Progressivism is a broad philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to improve the human condition.
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So yes, an appreciation for the scientific method, the primary method by which humanity has benefitted over the last few millenia, is a particularly important trait for the leader of the free world.

To me, anyway :roll:

If Ben Carson did not believe in gravity, or did not believe that the Earth was spherical, I would also consider that to be an election issue because it betrays a deep ignorance. I'm not suggesting the president has to be a theoretical physicist, but I am not one to follow ignorance.
 
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Nilly said:
Carsons main objection to evolution lies in the fact that he doesn't believe that complexity can't arise out of simplicity. I haven't taken advanced embryology but I have taken chaos theory and spontaneous order. Which is where his issue, the doubting of emergence of complexity from simple systems, lies.

Plenty of other scientists have delved into the emergence of complexity in evolution (such as the evolution of the eye). It has been Carsons prerogative to ignore that in favor of a centuries old book. That is not a decision I can respect, and not a quality I want in a leader.
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Evolution doesn't necessarily preclude the existence of God.
 
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Nilly said:
And I'm saying it's not. Because, as an intelligent guy, if he had informed himself he would have arrived at the same conclusion as the rest of the intelligent people.

Sure, Carson is worthy of respect. But a dumb opinion, even from an incredibly smart person, is not worthy of respect.
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Flawed logic here, and in any case I will get his perspective from him and not a progressive.
 
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Anagram said:
Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee | Fox News



I didn't really expect Carson to run. But from the look of this it sounds like he is actually extremely likely to make the attempt. I guess that makes sense considering he's hovering in 2nd or 3rd place in the polls though. I still find it extremely unlikely he'll win the nomination with his lack of political and campaign experience.
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I am a huge fan for Carson for President, just not yet. But a Walker/Carson ticket would be to my liking. That would give him some government experience and prime him for a run in the future.
 
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Nilly said:
So yes, an appreciation for the scientific method, the primary method by which humanity has benefitted over the last few millenia, is a particularly important trait for the leader of the free world.
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Are you suggesting that an internationally renowned neurosurgeon doesn't understand or appreciate science or its methodologies?
If Ben Carson did not believe in gravity, or did not believe that the Earth was spherical, I would also consider that to be an election issue because it betrays a deep ignorance.
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Perhaps, but neither of those subjects were mentioned. Anyone who believed that Barrack Obama was a good President would be ignorant as well, but that's off topic also.
I'm not suggesting the president has to be a theoretical physicist, but I am not one to follow ignorance.
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Of course not.
 
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I say lets give old Ben his chance. He might surprise us, after all, he's got US Conservative in his corner. I'm rooting for you Conservative! Give them hell!
 
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Texmex said:
I say lets give old Ben his chance. He might surprise us, after all, he's got US Conservative in his corner. I'm rooting for you Conservative! Give them hell!
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"Old Ben"?
 
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US Conservative said:
You can respect it or not, Im saying his opinion is more informed than yours, and deserving of some respect.
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No, it's not, because his opinion is wrong.

How many years has Carson spent researching evolution?
 
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He will be outstanding as Scott Walker's health care czar.
 
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Deuce said:
No, it's not, because his opinion is wrong.

How many years has Carson spent researching evolution?
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He hasn't had time. He's a surgeon.
 
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You know the nut job Lyndon Larouche runs as a Democrat every presidential election and gets no support from the Democratic base because he is a total nut job. Yet, a lunatic like Ben Carson polls 2nd or 3rd among Republican candidates. Seriously, the guy's quotes are a treasure trove of insanity.

Take your pick he is a nut: Ben Carson | Right Wing Watch
 
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