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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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Fearandloathing said:
1.)You don't have anything saved.
2.)Well isn't that precious!
3.)So you are completely comfortable with slandering a man you don't know with absolutely NO proof....
4.)It seems to me you either hate this guy for some reason
5.), or you are terrified of what he can do to Obama's fading image.

Maybe both
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1.) nope i dont
2.) if you feel that why but i just call it a fact
3.) I didnt slander him at all and ive seen the prove. LMAO
what happen was is that you wanted me to provide the proof of his factual bigotry and I told you how to get it
4.) again what "seems" to you would be false . . .
I dont know the gut to "hate" him but i do view bigotry very lowly.
5.) obama again? LOL this deflection didnt work the first time you tried it. DO me a favor search my history and find all my post praising obama
wait, seems like if I thought like you i could call this slander with no proof lol
you are smarter and better than this
 
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Nilly said:
Evolution isn't an election issue. Not believing in evolution is.

Just like how gravity isn't an election issue. Not believing in it would be.

If a candidate does is unable to accept evolution (or gravity, or homosexual marriage, as in the case of Ben Carson) then that is a big red mark in my book.
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We know, the debate is settled. :roll: What does a pediatric neurosurgeon know anyways?

The fact is his beliefs are not unique, and he probably knows more about the science of evolution than you do.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
It's only an opinion on my part based on how people react to failure. Obama was a one shot deal, in my view - he was an attempt by America to cleanse a troubling past - they've done that and even reelected him, although he failed in the office, rather than reject America's first black President. Being first only happens one time - after that, the shine and novelty of the accomplishment wears off.
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again you are welcome to that but i dont see it on any logical level at all

IMO if there is a great candidate that comes out and happens to be black in 2016 I dont think race hurts him any more or any less because of Obama . . . .
 
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US Conservative said:
None that I know of.
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Isn't Maxine Waters still kicking around? How about good old Charlie Rangel? Maybe Sheila Jackson Lee? Maybe Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson can make another run at the prize. When does Jefferson get out of prison?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
1.)Don't give up your day job..
2.)Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one and most stink.
3.) Your opinion that Obama is a great uniter will have to pass, since the dirtbag incomptetent walked into the Oval Office and declared elected members of congress to be "enemies"
4.)Being a leader means more than getting along with people who agree with you, it means getting along and getting the best out of those who don't.
5.) And to do that you need to respect them.
6.) Obama does not, he sneers and attacks those who disagree with him
7.) the same way you attacked this guy, calling him a bigot without proof.

Any monkey can smear, as you and he have, but how many can take **** like Netanyahu and then compliment his adversary as he did Obama.

That's leadership, that adulthood, that balls, all of which are lacking in Obama....the petulant little baby who has to demean to be seen to be great
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1.) dont plan on giving up engineering i love it, doesnt change anythign though Ben had ZERO chance based on his out front bigotry
2.) true
3.) uhm this isnt "my" opinion its what got him elected twice, that fact has nothing to do with me
4.) I agree
5.) I also agree
6.) again this opinion doesnt change how he got elected
7.) i didnt attack him at all, i called him what he is by definition :shrug: sorry that fact bothers you but facts dont change based on your feelings
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Isn't Maxine Waters still kicking around? How about good old Charlie Rangel? Maybe Sheila Jackson Lee? Maybe Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson can make another run at the prize. When does Jefferson get out of prison?
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They tragically are, Rangel just picked a fight with Netanyahu, IIRC. Thankfully none are voting for president.
 
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AGENT J said:
again you are welcome to that but i dont see it on any logical level at all

IMO if there is a great candidate that comes out and happens to be black in 2016 I dont think race hurts him any more or any less because of Obama . . . .
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Well, see, that's just the point - you make it for me. You acknowledge it will take a "great candidate" for race not to be an issue. I agree. Great, unfortunately, seldom comes along.
 
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Anagram said:
I can agree with that. He's probably a good man, and he's definitely a smart man. But he has no political background, and unlike other non-politicians who came reasonably close to the presidency like Herman Cain and Ross Perot he's not even a businessman. I just don't think its possible for a man with literally no political or economic experience to jump to the most powerful position in the world, where those two skills are paramount, and govern effectively. I'm confident he's an extremely competent neurosurgeon, but those skills that he actually has the experience and training with aren't going to be helpful as President.
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as a reporter I never plaid the big league of Washington, not that I wanted to. I did cover Canada's Parliament in an interesting time, and three provincial legislatures, Quebec, Saskatchewan and BC. In that time I have seen greatness wither in the back benches, strive to be what they were called on to be only to fade away, and take the run. risk it all and go for a job where you can change things.

I suspect I have seen a hundred men, maybe 35 women who I would say were great and a viable leader...all of whom never got near the reins of power they should have had.

A man named Robert Stanfield was the greatest prime minister Canada never had, a man whose ideas became law years later. He was forgotten for two reasons, he ran twice against a sexy rock star, and he dropped a football he had caught fifteen times just when a photog snapped the picture.

Another was a funny little man, the son of a protestant preacher named Preston Manning, as if there could be a more Canadian name. He had a squeaky little voice, a bad hair do, and coke bottle glasses and ran against the most corrupt regime in modern history. He never made to Prime Minister either but he helped force the toughing of banking regulations years ahead of the '08 crash while literally driving the government ape **** to bring down the deficit.

In there is a hallmark ditty about greatness and shining though, but the fact is, our prejudices prevent the best cream from rising to the top.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
1.)Well, see, that's just the point - you make it for me. You acknowledge it will take a "great candidate" for race not to be an issue. I agree. Great, unfortunately, seldom comes along.
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LMAO thats not what i said but nice try

here ill say it in more simply terms

for future candidates race wont play a role IMO based on Obama
 
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US Conservative said:
There are many at my hospital. I always tell them how cool the sticker is. :cool:
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On cars being paid for by the PPACA undoubtedly.
 
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AGENT J said:
LMAO thats not what i said but nice try

here ill say it in more simply terms

for future candidates race wont play a role IMO based on Obama
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Go back and read your post 54 - you said exactly that and you can try to weasel out of it if you want, doesn't bother me, but your words are plain as day.

FACT - You said, and I quote "IMO if there is a great candidate that comes out and happens to be black in 2016 I dont think race hurts him any more or any less because of Obama . . . ." I didn't force you to use the qualifier "great" - you chose to use it consciously or subconsciously, and I thank you for supporting my contention
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) false
2.) false

both 100% false, thank you for further proving your assumption was wrong
i make the judgement on the atmosphere of politics and american views as they are now and probably will be in 2016.
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You can deny obvious truths and format them in any retarded fashion you want, but it still will not make them anything other than obvious truths.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
It's not the left, but his opponents.

I don't think he is electable frankly. Another Herman Cain perhaps, and maybe VP material but I doubt the nation will want another black so soon after Obama. The man has **** in those conrflakes
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:lamo:

Sure. It's Obama's fault that Carson isn't electable.
 
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Hicup said:
When did Carson suggest evolution was a myth? If he did, that's just insane. I'll grant that there's plenty of questions about the finer details of evolution, but that it didn't or isn't still happening makes no sense coming from an actual scientist.

Tim-
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Ben Carson is a neurosurgeon, and we have plenty of examples of Carson saying he stands against the idea of evolution.

"I don’t believe in evolution .... I simply don’t have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what’s right and wrong, just appeared." - Ben Carson, from a 2006 debate with Richard Dawkins and a couple of others.
 
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Grant said:
It's a sad commentary on any people, and its media, when 'evolution' becomes an election issue, yet that seems to be the trend.
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But we are here, especially when we have so much fight from systems of faith to place creationism next to evolution in a science book.
 
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US Conservative said:
We know, the debate is settled. :roll: What does a pediatric neurosurgeon know anyways?

The fact is his beliefs are not unique, and he probably knows more about the science of evolution than you do.
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Appeal to authority and appeal to popularity in the same post.

Why specify pediatric? What does the fact he works on children have anything to do with his knowledge on evolution?
Why specify neuro? What does the fact that he specialises on a particular part of surgery have to do with his knowledge on evolution?

The only indicator we have of his knowledge on evolution is his lack of belief in it, and based on that, I can pretty confidently say I know more about evolution that he does.

If America was to elect a president that openly disagrees with evolution, we would

a) be going backwards.
b) be the laughing stock of the western world.

Fact.
 
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God Bless Dr. Ben Carson...

Id be proud to vote for such a great decent man..
 
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Redress said:
You can deny obvious truths and format them in any retarded fashion you want, but it still will not make them anything other than obvious truths.
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translation: you can't support your false claims and you got nothing but deflections
facts win again
 
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AGENT J said:
translation: you can't support your false claims and you got nothing but deflections
facts win again
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Translation: I am embarrassed I said something stupid so I will blame other people.

See how stupid that is? Any one can translate anything any one posts to mean something completely different. It is not my fault you posted something stupid, it is yours.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
1.)Go back and read your post 54 - you said exactly that and you can try to weasel out of it if you want, doesn't bother me, but your words are plain as day.

2.)FACT - You said, and I quote "IMO if there is a great candidate that comes out and happens to be black in 2016 I dont think race hurts him any more or any less because of Obama . . . ." I didn't force you to use the qualifier "great" - you chose to use it consciously or subconsciously, and I thank you for supporting my contention
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1.) no i actually didnt :shrug:
2.) correct, thank you for pointing this out proving your claim 100% wrong. no where in there did i say it would TAKE a great candidate to overcome race based on obama, i simply said a great candidate wouldn't be affected by race because of obama lol thanks for proving yourself wrong.

and i stand by that, race wont be a factor for any candidate based on obama
your claim fails and facts win again
 
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