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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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CanadaJohn said:
Dr. Carson is a fine man with a lot of sane, reasonable positions on serious issues. He'd likely be a fine President.

That said, and I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but the current occupant of the White House has made it virtually if not literally impossible for another black person to succeed to the office of the Presidency anytime soon. Had President Obama not been seen and considered to be a disaster in the office, things would be different but sadly that's not so. Just as Geraldine Ferraro made it impossible for another woman to get on the ticket, let alone succeed for over 20 years, Obama will do the same.
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I dunno. I think most people can see that how a person does as president has exactly jack and **** to do with their skin pigmentation. Maybe in Canada it would be an issue, but the US is a little more advanced.
 
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AGENT J said:
you are free to call it what you want but Im simply pointing out the fact its a waste of time and money if the goal is to be president because he has zero chance of winning. lol :shrug:
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Even if he didn't win, his presence in the primaries would strengthen the party, and produce the strongest candidate possible.
 
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Redress said:
That is just stupid. Not only does he have a definite, finite if small, chance of winning, he is young yet and the first time running is usually about learning the system and assembling a team and laying the groundwork and making the mistakes so later runs are more likely to succeed. He is only 63 and looks to be in good health so no reason he cannot run 2 or 3 more times. I am not going to support him nor vote for him, but to suggest because I don't support him his run would be a waste of time and money would be really, painfully stupid.
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you are free to think what ever you like
he has no chance of winning the presidency
and if the goal is being president its a waste of time and money

also your assumption is 100% wrong, nothing in my post is based on "whether I personally support him" they are just based on reality. I do agree though any views based on that would be stupid, good thing that has nothing to do with my post :D
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I agree - as you know, I really like Jeb Bush and expect him to make it official soon and if he does he'll be the next President. But a vigorous and bruising primary fight is important for him too - he'll need to be battle tested before he gets the liberal media beating him up in a match up against their party candidate. And with Dr. Carson, I think you'll get a battle of ideas and policy positions rather than the fake name calling and purity tests you'll get from the likes of Cruz and Santorum etc. I keep wavering on whom I'd like to see as a Bush running mate - there are so many good choices - Dr. Carson would be another one from a non-political perspective - I'm not sure what pull he'd have in toss up states.
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Yeah, I like to see when they're in the primaries, how they engage with each other, how they learn to handle the tough questions, how they raise money, how they "work a crowd", and really important to me is how they debate. Dr. Carson is a very fresh young face, quite different than your typical politician. It will be interesting to see how he does in a pool of professional politicians. And he's got one hell of a unique personal story. The guy separated conjoined twins, for crying out loud.

I think he's from Michigan but I don't see him delivering Michigan to the GOP.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Demonstrate his "bigotry"
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well i dont have anyhting saved from him cause he doesnt matter but you are free to google his his views on muslims and gays
 
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AGENT J said:
you are free to call it what you want but Im simply pointing out the fact its a waste of time and money if the goal is to be president because he has zero chance of winning. lol :shrug:
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One could have said the exact same thing back in 1990 or so about Bill Clinton - Bill who?, they'd say - and in hindsight they sounded just as stupid.
 
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AGENT J said:
you are free to think what ever you like
he has no chance of winning the presidency
and if the goal is being president its a waste of time and money

also your assumption is 100% wrong, nothing in my post is based on "whether I personally support him" they are just based on reality. I do agree though any views based on that would be stupid, good thing that has nothing to do with my post :D
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Everything in your post is based on whether you support him. You are making value judgements on the value of his run based entirely on how you view his candidacy and your very limited understanding of the system and history.
 
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Grant said:
It's a sad commentary on any people, and its media, when 'evolution' becomes an election issue, yet that seems to be the trend.
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Evolution isn't an election issue. Not believing in evolution is.

Just like how gravity isn't an election issue. Not believing in it would be.

If a candidate does is unable to accept evolution (or gravity, or homosexual marriage, as in the case of Ben Carson) then that is a big red mark in my book.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That said, and I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but the current occupant of the White House has made it virtually if not literally impossible for another black person to succeed to the office of the Presidency anytime soon. Had President Obama not been seen and considered to be a disaster in the office, things would be different but sadly that's not so. Just as Geraldine Ferraro made it impossible for another woman to get on the ticket, let alone succeed for over 20 years, Obama will do the same.
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I dont think thats the case at all . . . .
if it is the case things in america are much worse than i could ever imagine and i would find that scary
 
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AGENT J said:
you are free to call it what you want but Im simply pointing out the fact its a waste of time and money if the goal is to be president because he has zero chance of winning. lol :shrug:
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How is the simple act of participating in the electoral process a waste of time and money?

Are the Obama lemmings so terrified of a new idea they can't tolerate the idea of someone with different ideas coming on the scene?

And by your standards, Hillary lost eight years ago, that was a waste of time and money and you are willing to let her waste more? Or do you think the 70's something woman with no platform has a chance......:lamo
 
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Redress said:
I dunno. I think most people can see that how a person does as president has exactly jack and **** to do with their skin pigmentation. Maybe in Canada it would be an issue, but the US is a little more advanced.
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Actually, in my view you're far less advanced - it's why I made the point. Here in Canada we've had a female Prime Minister - most first world democracies have, except one - and even though we have far fewer black people in numbers and percentage, we've recently had a very popular black Governor General here in Ontario - people here generally don't give such things much thought.
 
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AGENT J said:
well i dont have anyhting saved from him cause he doesnt matter but you are free to google his his views on muslims and gays
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You don't have anything saved.

Well isn't that precious!

So you are completely comfortable with slandering a man you don't know with absolutely NO proof....

It seems to me you either hate this guy for some reason, or you are terrified of what he can do to Obama's fading image.

Maybe both
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I agree, Obama has been so divisive that chances of the nation going to a black, two in a row after how tumultuous this has been is simply not possible.
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while i agree that the current political atmosphere in this country is very partisan and that started before Obama and continued with him I still don't think it will have an impact against race in the negative at all.
Whether one agrees with Obama or not his ability to unite people is in fact what got him elected twice. And while media loves race stories and while the people who were already bigots in this country lost thier **** when he was elected and became very loud squeaky wheels, in general, to NORMAL people, race relations in this country haven't been better IMO. Its only the people that already have a problem with race (all races included) that are in overdrive.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Actually, in my view you're far less advanced - it's why I made the point. Here in Canada we've had a female Prime Minister - most first world democracies have, except one - and even though we have far fewer black people in numbers and percentage, we've recently had a very popular black Governor General here in Ontario - people here generally don't give such things much thought.
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I do believe we have no less than six women premiers if I am not mistaken, and how can we forget our first ever Chines Canadian female governor general?

As we speak, BC has a first nations governor general and we have two blacks in office.

Considering our first woman prime minister was about 25 years ago.....I would say yeah, we are more advanced.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That's too bad actually. I really like the man a lot - I think he's a good man, and he's a smart man. The problem with him is he's not a politician. That's actually part of the reason I like him. I hate to see good people get ruined by politics.
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I can agree with that. He's probably a good man, and he's definitely a smart man. But he has no political background, and unlike other non-politicians who came reasonably close to the presidency like Herman Cain and Ross Perot he's not even a businessman. I just don't think its possible for a man with literally no political or economic experience to jump to the most powerful position in the world, where those two skills are paramount, and govern effectively. I'm confident he's an extremely competent neurosurgeon, but those skills that he actually has the experience and training with aren't going to be helpful as President.
 
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US Conservative said:
Even if he didn't win, his presence in the primaries would strengthen the party, and produce the strongest candidate possible.
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if you say so, i disagree, i think bad candidates hurt the party but thats just my opinion
 
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AGENT J said:
I dont think thats the case at all . . . .
if it is the case things in america are much worse than i could ever imagine and i would find that scary
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It's only an opinion on my part based on how people react to failure. Obama was a one shot deal, in my view - he was an attempt by America to cleanse a troubling past - they've done that and even reelected him, although he failed in the office, rather than reject America's first black President. Being first only happens one time - after that, the shine and novelty of the accomplishment wears off.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
One could have said the exact same thing back in 1990 or so about Bill Clinton - Bill who?, they'd say - and in hindsight they sounded just as stupid.
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im sure they did and they certainly could have, they how ever were wrong and thats why they sounded stupid.
 
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Redress said:
1.)Everything in your post is based on whether you support him.
2.) You are making value judgements on the value of his run based entirely on how you view his candidacy and your very limited understanding of the system and history.
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1.) false
2.) false

both 100% false, thank you for further proving your assumption was wrong
i make the judgement on the atmosphere of politics and american views as they are now and probably will be in 2016.
 
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Strange. I thought I heard of him doing this last year. I know I have seen a Carson 2016 bumper sticker.
 
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AGENT J said:
while i agree that the current political atmosphere in this country is very partisan and that started before Obama and continued with him I still don't think it will have an impact against race in the negative at all.
Whether one agrees with Obama or not his ability to unite people is in fact what got him elected twice. And while media loves race stories and while the people who were already bigots in this country lost thier **** when he was elected and became very loud squeaky wheels, in general, to NORMAL people, race relations in this country haven't been better IMO. Its only the people that already have a problem with race (all races included) that are in overdrive.
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Don't give up your day job..

Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one and most stink. Your opinion that Obama is a great uniter will have to pass, since the dirtbag incomptetent walked into the Oval Office and declared elected members of congress to be "enemies"

Being a leader means more than getting along with people who agree with you, it means getting along and getting the best out of those who don't. And to do that you need to respect them. Obama does not, he sneers and attacks those who disagree with him, the same way you attacked this guy, calling him a bigot without proof.

Any monkey can smear, as you and he have, but how many can take **** like Netanyahu and then compliment his adversary as he did Obama.

That's leadership, that adulthood, that balls, all of which are lacking in Obama....the petulant little baby who has to demean to be seen to be great
 
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Fearandloathing said:
1.)How is the simple act of participating in the electoral process a waste of time and money?
2.)Are the Obama lemmings so terrified of a new idea they can't tolerate the idea of someone with different ideas coming on the scene?
3.)And by your standards, Hillary lost eight years ago, that was a waste of time and money and you are willing to let her waste more?
4.) Or do you think the 70's something woman with no platform has a chance......:lamo
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1.) if the goal is to be president its a waste
2.) what does this have to do with anything? looks like you think im an obama lemming this is called a deflection. as i sated earlier id vote for anybody i liked no matter their party and have.
3.) wrong again those are not my standards, she actually had/has a chance
4.) yes based on the atmosphere of today's politics/america she does but thats not the topic
 
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Anagram said:
I can agree with that. He's probably a good man, and he's definitely a smart man. But he has no political background, and unlike other non-politicians who came reasonably close to the presidency like Herman Cain and Ross Perot he's not even a businessman. I just don't think its possible for a man with literally no political or economic experience to jump to the most powerful position in the world, where those two skills are paramount, and govern effectively. I'm confident he's an extremely competent neurosurgeon, but those skills that he actually has the experience and training with aren't going to be helpful as President.
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That's why I wish Huntsman would reconsider. :(

Exactly, Cain & Perot had management experience. Carson doesn't. He's not a politician. He has no management experience. He has no budget management experience. And so on. The days of going from farmer to President are long past.
 
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