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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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You are living in a delusional time warp if you think the United States is going to elect an extremely socially conservative young earth creationist who denies evolution and thinks homosexuality is a choice in 2016. Carson is on the wrong side of a culture war that has been all but won no matter how much some would like to stick their heads in the sand.
 
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Republicans have been solidly behind candidates that can't win of late. Seems they haven't learned from the past yet.
And the country continues it downward spiral.
 
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Republicans have been solidly behind candidates that can't win of late. Seems they haven't learned from the past yet.

well hopefully some of them get is soon because people like Ben have no chance and id much rather have people running who do have an honest chance and thier party doesnt matter
 
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And the country continues it downward spiral.

No, that's the view you have in the bubble. The country is not really any worse than it's ever been and in fact has improved in some areas.
 
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A favorite of mine, but far too overqualified to be president. We don't elected accomplished candidates anymore.

Former editors of the Havard Law Review aren't enough for you then?
 
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Governance experience is important for at least three reasons:

1. Governance requires building coalitions with various individuals and groups, whose interests may not always be aligned, in order to develop or implement policies. Governance experience does not assure a candidate possesses such capabilities, but one who has had exposure to building such coalitions and can point to demonstrated success in having done so e.g., getting legislation adopted, leading a State government, etc., has a better chance to do so in higher office. Executive experience is particularly relevant for the Presidency.
2. Governance experience gives one exposure to a range of policy issues (domestic and foreign). One who lacks such experience may have little or no understanding of the major issues in the policy realm.
3. Governance experience also gives on invaluable contacts—people and organizations—that could be helpful when it comes to policy making and finding people to form one’s Administration.

In the end, even as governance experience might provide no guarantees, a candidate with such experience is vastly better prepared for high federal office. Those with governance experience have a much better ability to transform vision into policy reality than those who lack it.

For purposes of an analogy, it is extremely unlikely that a major corporation would hire a CEO who lacked prior management experience. The same holds true with voters when it comes to electing the President of the United States, a task that is far more complex and difficult than running a country given the much broader range of interests and international/security dimensions involved.
 
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With respect to Carson's campaign, the importance of governance and leadership experience is becoming even clearer. The Washington Post reported:

The presidential candidacy of Ben Carson, a tea party star who has catapulted into the top tier of Republican contenders, has been rocked by turmoil with the departures of four senior campaign officials and widespread disarray among his allied super PACs.

In interviews Friday, Carson’s associates described a political network in tumult, saying the retired neurosurgeon’s campaign chairman, national finance chairman, deputy campaign manager and general counsel have resigned since Carson formally launched his bid last month in Detroit. They have not been replaced, campaign aides said.


Ben Carson

Almost certainly, the inability to build and sustain a campaign organization is the result of Carson's lack of leadership experience. That he was a highly skilled neurosurgeon does not mean that such talent is readily transferable to tasks that require leadership. The requirements of neurosurgery and leadership are quite different.

Building and sustaining campaign organizations is one such task that requires a degree of leadership. Governance is another, and it's one that is far more demanding, as one needs to work with people who have competing interests and goals. That he has already floundered very early in the race on the first task highlights a larger lack of preparation to lead the nation.
 
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For purposes of an analogy, it is extremely unlikely that a major corporation would hire a CEO who lacked prior management experience. The same holds true with voters when it comes to electing the President of the United States, a task that is far more complex and difficult than running a country given the much broader range of interests and international/security dimensions involved.
Then why did the majority of the Americanelectorate vote for B.Obama?
 
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Then why did the majority of the Americanelectorate vote for B.Obama?

In part, extraordinary circumstances. In part, a flawed opponent. The nation was in a crisis. Senator McCain initially thought the economy was "fundamentally sound" when it wasn't, later panicked (canceling then calling off the cancelation of his debate appearance), insisted on a White House crisis summit (both he and Obama were invited to the White House, but then McCain never participated even as Obama was engaged throughout, as noted in Treasury Secretary Paulson's memoirs), etc. Obama was also a strong communicator; his opponent wasn't. In the end, Obama presented the image of a steady and confident leader and during times of crises, the public clamors for such steadiness.

Also, it should be noted that unlike Carson, Obama had state and federal experience, even as his years of experience was limited. Carson has had no leadership experience. Not too surprisingly, his campaign organization appears to be unraveling.
 
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In part, extraordinary circumstances. In part, a flawed opponent. The nation was in a crisis. Senator McCain initially thought the economy was "fundamentally sound" when it wasn't, later panicked (canceling then calling off the cancelation of his debate appearance), insisted on a White House crisis summit (both he and Obama were invited to the White House, but then McCain never participated even as Obama was engaged throughout, as noted in Treasury Secretary Paulson's memoirs), etc. Obama was also a strong communicator; his opponent wasn't. In the end, Obama presented the image of a steady and confident leader and during times of crises, the public clamors for such steadiness.

Also, it should be noted that unlike Carson, Obama had state and federal experience, even as his years of experience was limited. Carson has had no leadership experience. Not too surprisingly, his campaign organization appears to be unraveling.
Obama's experience was showing up to vote "Present". Both McCain and Romney had far greater real world experience than Barack Obama.

It was his race that got it done, and the gullibility of the electorate, particularly the second time around.
 
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Obama's experience was showing up to vote "Present". Both McCain and Romney had far greater real world experience than Barack Obama.

It was his race that got it done, and the gullibility of the electorate, particularly the second time around.
Conservatives are race pimps. See how they ignore that Obama won his first election against another Black person. See how they ignore that Obama won the 2008 primary over "inevitable" Hillary Clinton. But if race is the be-all end-all then are pubs should nominate Ben Carson and get an easy victory in theory.
 
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Obama's experience was showing up to vote "Present". Both McCain and Romney had far greater real world experience than Barack Obama.

It was his race that got it done, and the gullibility of the electorate, particularly the second time around.

The 2008 election was a crisis election. Experience becomes less important than in more normal circumstances. Barring unexpected developments the 2016 election will occur during more normal conditions.

In 2008, Obama won on the all-important economy issue (53%-44%), as well as on a number of less important issues. Race actually proved a very tiny factor according to the exit polls.

Inside Obama

Even as Obama was lightly experienced, Carson has no leadership experience. In the upcoming election that will prove fatal to his candidacy. That his campaign is already falling apart exposes the dangers of one's lacking leadership experience.
 
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Obama's experience was showing up to vote "Present". Both McCain and Romney had far greater real world experience than Barack Obama.

It was his race that got it done, and the gullibility of the electorate, particularly the second time around.

Ah, "voting present." Yes, he voted present -- 3% of the time.

Obama’s Legislative Record

Don't you ever get sick of posting blatant lies? Why even ask a thoughtful, intelligent poster like don a question about why Obama got elected when all you're going to do is ignore his answer so you can continue posting your dishonest twaddle?
 
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Ah, "voting present." Yes, he voted present -- 3% of the time.

Obama’s Legislative Record

Don't you ever get sick of posting blatant lies? Why even ask a thoughtful, intelligent poster like don a question about why Obama got elected when all you're going to do is ignore his answer so you can continue posting your dishonest twaddle?

Kobie, don't you know it isn't lying when you really 'believe' what you are posting?
 
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The 2008 election was a crisis election. Experience becomes less important than in more normal circumstances. Barring unexpected developments the 2016 election will occur during more normal conditions.
Why would the electorate vote for a neophyte like Obama under any circumstances? As a social experiment? And of course, to politicians, every election is a 'crisis'. If there isn't one they will manufacture one with the idea that only they can solve it. We can see Hillary doing that now.

In 2008, Obama won on the all-important economy issue (53%-44%), as well as on a number of less important issues. Race actually proved a very tiny factor according to the exit polls.
How could anyone expect an inexperienced person like Obama, who has never held a real job, or management position, in his life? My understanding is that he was a Constitutional expert and his losses in front of the Supreme Court suggest he wasn't very strong in that area either.

Here's what Geraldine Ferraro had to say
.Ms. Ferraro, the former congresswoman and vice-presidential candidate who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, told The Daily Breeze, a newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

Harry Reid.
The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Joe Biden.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Even as Obama was lightly experienced, Carson has no leadership experience. In the upcoming election that will prove fatal to his candidacy. That his campaign is already falling apart exposes the dangers of one's lacking leadership experience.[/QUOTE]In fact Ben Carson has had far more leadership experience than Barack Obama ever and has led management teams all over the world.

But the fact is that the novelty of having a Black President has worn off and Ben Carson is also a Republican or, as many Democrats like to say, an "Uncle Tom". I also doubt very much he will win.
 
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Ah, "voting present." Yes, he voted present -- 3% of the time.

Obama’s Legislative Record

Don't you ever get sick of posting blatant lies? Why even ask a thoughtful, intelligent poster like don a question about why Obama got elected when all you're going to do is ignore his answer so you can continue posting your dishonest twaddle?
Yes, I should have known better than to have believed Hillary Clinton. I hope you and other left wingers don;t get sucked in by her lies as well. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...b/13/hillary-clinton/yes-but-its-complicated/
 
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Why would the electorate vote for a neophyte like Obama under any circumstances?

Because during panics--and Election 2008 took place during a financial and economic panic--incumbents or their party face severe headwinds. The same dynamics that lifted FDR to victory against Hoover played out in 2008. That McCain displayed hesitation or worse in his mishandling of the 9/24/2008 debate (canceling and then revoking his cancellation) helped present Senator Obama as a steady and firm leader. Far more damaging was McCain's demonstration of impotence at the White House summit he had requested. From The Wall Street Journal:

Now Obama and the Democrats were skillfully setting up the story line that McCain's intervention had polarized the situation and that Republicans were walking away from an agreement. It was brilliant political theater that was about to degenerate into farce. Skipping protocol, the president turned to McCain to offer him a chance to respond: "I think it's fair that I give you the chance to speak next."

But McCain demurred. "I'll wait my turn," he said. It was an incredible moment, in every sense. This was supposed to be McCain's meeting—he'd called it, not the president, who had simply accommodated the Republican candidate's wishes. Now it looked as if McCain had no plan at all—his idea had been to suspend his campaign and summon us all to this meeting. It was not a strategy, it was a political gambit, and the Democrats had matched it with one of their own.


When Mr. McCain Came to Washington - WSJ


McCain had essentially destroyed the rationale for his election in a campaign in which the economy was the overwhelming issue. That Obama was only a first-term Senator was overlooked by an electorate desperately seeking a way out of the rapidly unfolding crisis.

In fact Ben Carson has had far more leadership experience than Barack Obama ever and has led management teams all over the world.

But the fact is that the novelty of having a Black President has worn off and Ben Carson is also a Republican or, as many Democrats like to say, an "Uncle Tom". I also doubt very much he will win.

Carson has never served in government. He has never been in a senior military command. He has never headed a company.
 
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Because during panics--and Election 2008 took place during a financial and economic panic--incumbents or their party face severe headwinds. The same dynamics that lifted FDR to victory against Hoover played out in 2008. That McCain displayed hesitation or worse in his mishandling of the 9/24/2008 debate (canceling and then revoking his cancellation) helped present Senator Obama as a steady and firm leader. Far more damaging was McCain's demonstration of impotence at the White House summit he had requested. From The Wall Street Journal:

Now Obama and the Democrats were skillfully setting up the story line that McCain's intervention had polarized the situation and that Republicans were walking away from an agreement. It was brilliant political theater that was about to degenerate into farce. Skipping protocol, the president turned to McCain to offer him a chance to respond: "I think it's fair that I give you the chance to speak next."

But McCain demurred. "I'll wait my turn," he said. It was an incredible moment, in every sense. This was supposed to be McCain's meeting—he'd called it, not the president, who had simply accommodated the Republican candidate's wishes. Now it looked as if McCain had no plan at all—his idea had been to suspend his campaign and summon us all to this meeting. It was not a strategy, it was a political gambit, and the Democrats had matched it with one of their own.
While it may have been a 'failed political gambit' it was still no reason to elect Barack Obama as President. The electorate shouldn't fall so easily for these 'gambits', one way or the other but instead look at the candidates history and any record of success. In fact, as we know, it was called 'racist' to even examine Obama's past, mention his family, drug use, etc. That a 'gambit' won over a legitimate examination of the mans past doesn't say much for the sophistication of the electorate.
McCain had essentially destroyed the rationale for his election in a campaign in which the economy was the overwhelming issue. That Obama was only a first-term Senator was overlooked by an electorate desperately seeking a way out of the rapidly unfolding crisis
Yes, that may be, and stepped right into it.
Carson has never served in government. He has never been in a senior military command. He has never headed a company.
There has been several Presidents who have never served in Government prior to becoming President, with George Washington setting the precedent. Ben Carson's career has been much more distinguished than B.Obama's but of course he will still not become President.
 
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While it may have been a 'failed political gambit' it was still no reason to elect Barack Obama as President. The electorate shouldn't fall so easily for these 'gambits', one way or the other but instead look at the candidates history and any record of success. In fact, as we know, it was called 'racist' to even examine Obama's past, mention his family, drug use, etc. That a 'gambit' won over a legitimate examination of the mans past doesn't say much for the sophistication of the electorate.

Behavior during panics has much more to do with human nature than sophistication or lack thereof. Many highly sophisticated investors dumped securities with solid underlying value in a stampede from the markets, which greatly exacerbated the situation. Financing for even AAA-rated companies such as GE dried up. Emotion (fear) not calculation is the preeminent driver during panics.

There has been several Presidents who have never served in Government prior to becoming President, with George Washington setting the precedent. Ben Carson's career has been much more distinguished than B.Obama's but of course he will still not become President.

George Washington demonstrated his leadership experience during the American Revolution. Numerous generous i.e., Grant, Eisenhower, etc., have won the Presidency. Prior to revelations of his affair and sharing of sensitive information with his lover, General Petraeus was arguably in a good position to launch a political career and possibly pursue the Presidency.

There is little doubt that Dr. Carson is a brilliant surgeon who has contributed much to the medical field. But the requirements of success in that field differ from those in leading the nation. The probability of his developing an effective rationale for translating those skills into a case that he can lead the nation is very low. That does not, in any way, take away from what he has contributed to medicine and the country from his efforts in medicine.
 
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Folks, this thread isn't about Obama. If you're posts are almost exclusively discussing him, and not Ben Carson, that should tell you that you're way off topic and you shouldn't be making the post
 
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