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Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishme

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I remember the story from back before the internet. Apparently it still happens:



When I was 15 I was a bag boy and we caught some guy who was stealing three live lobsters from the supermarket... :lol:
 
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There is nothing in the article about innocent people being coerced. Its just typical ohmigerdmahrights!!!mahrights!!! bull**** overreaction to a program that actually HELPS people caught shoplifting avoid a criminal record. Sadly...Im betting there are people stupid enough to actually choose the criminal route even after they have been caught shoplifting KNOWING they have been caught shoplifting. The ironic part is there is NO coercion and people that are caught ABSOLUTELY have the right to choose door a...arrest and criminal prosecution.

Agreed... this article seemed like a hissy fit over nothing. The program sounds like a good idea as well. Streamlines a broken system.
 
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No, I am not wrong. From your own article:

Before detaining anyone, you must establish Shoplifting Probable Cause. To establish a solid base for probable cause and prevent false arrest claims, there are six universally accepted steps that a merchant should follow before deciding to stop someone suspected of shoplifting:

You must see the shoplifter approach your merchandise
You must see the shoplifter select your merchandise
You must see the shoplifter conceal or carry away or convert your merchandise
You must maintain continuous observation the shoplifter
You must see the shoplifter fail to pay for the merchandise
You must approach the shoplifter outside of the store


A security guard can NOT just walk up to you and detain you... sorry.
 
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There is nothing legal about detaining a person against their will unless they are a cop with reasonable cause...

You cannot force them. You can ask them to accompany you and if they do it willingly, that's entirely legal.
 
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You are the one that has stuff all twisted, son. What is being represented in the OP is what happens when someone that is actually committing the crime of shoplifting gets caught.

"Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting."
No mention of any guilty activity.

"He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options."
None here, either, just a remarkable sheep-like obedience on the part of the imaginary protagonist.
If you want to talk about someone who actually shoplifts, fine, the program discussed is probably a good option but that's another topic. Like I said, I'd love to be confronted in the aisles of a store and accused of stealing, before I've stolen anything, as outlined in the original post.
 
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There is nothing in the article about innocent people being coerced. Its just typical ohmigerdmahrights!!!mahrights!!! bull**** overreaction to a program that actually HELPS people caught shoplifting avoid a criminal record. Sadly...Im betting there are people stupid enough to actually choose the criminal route even after they have been caught shoplifting KNOWING they have been caught shoplifting. The ironic part is there is NO coercion and people that are caught ABSOLUTELY have the right to choose door a...arrest and criminal prosecution.

The whole first paragraph illustrates an innocent person being coerced.
 
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"Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting."
No mention of any guilty activity.

"He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options."
None here, either, just a remarkable sheep-like obedience on the part of the imaginary protagonist.
If you want to talk about someone who actually shoplifts, fine, the program discussed is probably a good option but that's another topic. Like I said, I'd love to be confronted in the aisles of a store and accused of stealing, before I've stolen anything, as outlined in the original post.

Read the links I just posted.
 
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First of all I would not go anywhere with the security guard and they can call anybody they want to as I stand there having stolen nothing.

Second, I don't see anywhere in that article (though I skimmed it) where it talked about innocent people being coerced...

The first-paragraph scenario is about an innocent person being coerced.
 
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Read the links I just posted.

Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.
 
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I'm only shocked that anyone goes to a physical store these days. Even my groceries i usually get online
 
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No, I am not wrong. From your own article:

Before detaining anyone, you must establish Shoplifting Probable Cause. To establish a solid base for probable cause and prevent false arrest claims, there are six universally accepted steps that a merchant should follow before deciding to stop someone suspected of shoplifting:

You must see the shoplifter approach your merchandise
You must see the shoplifter select your merchandise
You must see the shoplifter conceal or carry away or convert your merchandise
You must maintain continuous observation the shoplifter
You must see the shoplifter fail to pay for the merchandise
You must approach the shoplifter outside of the store


A security guard can NOT just walk up to you and detain you... sorry.

But that wasn't what I responded to. You seem to think any detention is illegal. The proper and legal response to the situation you pose here is to call or have the police called to deal with the matter. The police will tell you if there are charges being pressed, what they are and if you are under arrest. If not, the you have a nifty lawsuit on your hands and the security guard is out of a job.
 
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Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.

Read the article. They are not talking about grabbing random strangers and coercing and extorting them. That you believe that is stupid beyond belief. No...I take it back...Ive seen enough here to believe just about anything. Lets just stick with its just plain old ****ing stupid.

This program is about taking some of the 1.5 million people nabbed for shoplifting and giving them a chance to avoid a criminal record.

And you are honest to God against that? Good. Should you or anyone you know ever get nailed for shoplifting because...you know...you are actually shoplifting, you make sure you tell them to kiss your ass and call the cops. Brilliant.
 
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Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.

Well, you aren't required to volunteer any of that information in that instance, simply say, "call the police or I will". That particular hypothetical person is a dumbass. However, the article goes out of it's way to shield the fact they are not talking about innocent people. If you are found to have the store's merchandise secreted about your body, in some states that is a crime. In others, they just trespass you from the store.

Also, shoplifters in Bloomies are likely to have foil lined pockets, showing intent.
 
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OMG did not wrap Quotes. I am sure Chicken Little is in your view. Time to duck.

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Thoughts are? Is my commentary -
Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

Which would you choose?

So repeating the lie accomplishes what? It makes it sound like an innocent person is simply browsing at Bloomingdale's, and is wrongly accused of shoplifting. Not the case. Why do libs always feel the need to lie to forward their agenda?
 
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Tell him to call the police, I call my lawyer and tell him we have a misdemeanor charge from Bloomingdales to make the store and police look bad and a very juicy civil suit for at least 20 million as well as possible defamation charges. And I make sure the person who brought me into the room and the person watching through the camera can hear and see everything, as well as I'd spell the name of the law firm.

I'd then watch this guard break out into a sweat, let them give me store credit and kiss my ass and STILL file a civil lawsuit as well as make sure the lawyer subpoena's the video from my "questioning".

In none of the scenarios is there even evidence shop lifting has taken place. I don't know the exact laws there, but if you haven't left the store they cannot prove you didn't intend to pay for it before leaving. I put things in my pocket to carry to check out all the time, and until I leave the store it is not shoplifting.

Further I would tell them to call the police, and demand that my lawyer be present immediately..but not what would happen afterward. In the power game, NEVER give up exactly what you are going to do...the vague threat is always scarier than one you can name. A "I really hope you have your kids education safely protected..." should suffice.

And if I had put something in bad or my pocket I would say NOTHING until directed by my lawyer as he may simply end it all for you then and there after securing his fees from them.

Even if you leave the store, an offer to pay cannot be rejected....
 
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The whole first paragraph illustrates an innocent person being coerced.

Right... it is one huge straw man...
 
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The first-paragraph scenario is about an innocent person being coerced.

A scenario that has no basis in reality otherwise they would have cited instances where this has actually happened...
 
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In none of the scenarios is there even evidence shop lifting has taken place. I don't know the exact laws there, but if you haven't left the store they cannot prove you didn't intend to pay for it before leaving. I put things in my pocket to carry to check out all the time, and until I leave the store it is not shoplifting.

Further I would tell them to call the police, and demand that my lawyer be present immediately..but not what would happen afterward. In the power game, NEVER give up exactly what you are going to do...the vague threat is always scarier than one you can name. A "I really hope you have your kids education safely protected..." should suffice.

And if I had put something in bad or my pocket I would say NOTHING until directed by my lawyer as he may simply end it all for you then and there after securing his fees from them.

Even if you leave the store, an offer to pay cannot be rejected....

Well, just stop that right now. If you change your mind the rest of us have no desire to buy stuff that has been warming in your nasty ass pockets when you return it to the shelf, much less stuff you've stored between your legs. :lamo
 
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But that wasn't what I responded to. You seem to think any detention is illegal. The proper and legal response to the situation you pose here is to call or have the police called to deal with the matter. The police will tell you if there are charges being pressed, what they are and if you are under arrest. If not, the you have a nifty lawsuit on your hands and the security guard is out of a job.

Fair enough... I was incorrect in the way that I worded it... I was not clear in the first place. I meant if you are innocent of shoplifting they can not detain you against your will.
 
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Fair enough... I was incorrect in the way that I worded it... I was not clear in the first place. I meant if you are innocent of shoplifting they can not detain you against your will.

Yeah, my bad, I see that now. I will say, if some security drone taps me on the shoulder thusly I'd say call the police and get your supervisor over here right now. But then I haven't shoplifted since I was eight and stole a pack of gum on a dare. Went back the next day and paid for it.
 
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OMG did not wrap Quotes. I am sure Chicken Little is in your view. Time to duck.

Copied from the OP
Thoughts are? Is my commentary -
Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

Which would you choose?

Since when do private4 people have access to police records?

Your question insinuates that the person is innocent as they are browsing in the store and have not tried to leave.

Are you asking what innocent people would do in this situation specifically?
 
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Read the article. They are not talking about grabbing random strangers and coercing and extorting them. That you believe that is stupid beyond belief. No...I take it back...Ive seen enough here to believe just about anything. Lets just stick with its just plain old ****ing stupid.

This program is about taking some of the 1.5 million people nabbed for shoplifting and giving them a chance to avoid a criminal record.

And you are honest to God against that? Good. Should you or anyone you know ever get nailed for shoplifting because...you know...you are actually shoplifting, you make sure you tell them to kiss your ass and call the cops. Brilliant.

I read the fvcking article. It opens up with a scenario where someone is confronted in the aisle, before he's stolen anything, and given the choice of cops or paying for the 'course'.
Are you just ignoring the opening paragraph, the one quoted in the OP, and pretending it's not there? You're ignoring what I say in my replies, too, just so nothing gets in the way of your tantrum. See that part of your slobbery rant I highlighted? I told you already that it's probably a good option for someone who's guilty of stealing, but maybe you were raving at someone else at the time.
Jesus. You're impressive, dude, no argument there.
 
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True. I find it funny that so many people are acting outraged because they'd never steal, when the whole point of this thread is that you have been caught stealing. If you didn't do it, clearly you wouldn't find yourself in that little room in the first place.

That is not what was asked inthe OP.

It says you were tapped on the should browsing in the store. it did not say you shoplifted anything. You were still in the store, so no shoplifting had taken place.
 
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Since when do private4 people have access to police records?

Since forever. They are public record.
 
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