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Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

Montecresto said:
The idiocy of people believing that Putin would sabotage himself. Putin is amongst the most capable of world figures of executing such a crime. His fingerprints are not on this. And only patronizing Westerners can twist themselves into believing that they are, such is the lust for legitimacy in the campaign against Putin/Russia.
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Just because a leader is more ruthless than others in pursuit of an agenda does not make him more capable and you were linked evidence of that ruthlessness. Those 'Patronizing Westerners' have nothing to do with it and Putin doesn't care what anyone thinks of his murderous actions as past examples show
 
11Bravo said:
Right...because if Putin had him killed, Putin would go on TV and admit he committed a political assassination...
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Not exactly. But it's quite laughable that you can't see how this act would be a liability to Putin. An illogical assertion. And you're ignoring the tremendous benefit to the Western powers if such a crime could be blamed on him. You have good company.
 
flogger said:
Just because a leader is more ruthless than others in pursuit of an agenda does not make him more capable and you were linked evidence of that ruthlessness. Those 'Patronizing Westerners' have nothing to do with it and Putin doesn't care what anyone thinks of his murderous actions as past examples show
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We're talking about this crime. The murder of Boris, which is idiocy to blame on Putin. There's no advantage for Putin in this, and much to loose. You have no evidence of Putin's involvement, and cannot provide motive that would warrant the price. So, your argument is a fail.
 
DDD said:
Provide evidence to support this opinion. Otherwise: No, they are not, period.



We? Who is we? You and who else? :)



Your posts do not matter because they are mere trollish opinions that cannot be supported with evidence?

To this I agree. Hope we are on the same page though?
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You may deny the Western benefit of a culpable Putin all you like. The motivation doesn't have to be recognized by you. And we is myself and all those that find it obvious that there's no upside for Putin in this. Anyone that disagrees with Mr. DDD is a troll. You should ignore trolls you know.
 
Montecresto said:
Not exactly. But it's quite laughable that you can't see how this act would be a liability to Putin. An illogical assertion. And you're ignoring the tremendous benefit to the Western powers if such a crime could be blamed on him. You have good company.
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You think it's laughable that Putin had nothing to do with it?

Lol, you're right, that is hilarious. Kind of like the North Korean Chief of Staff that disapproved with Kim Jung Un when he took power. He magically wound up dead.

But wait, it couldn't have been Kim Jung Un, because that would be a liability...

lol
 
Montecresto said:
We're talking about this crime. The murder of Boris, which is idiocy to blame on Putin. There's no advantage for Putin in this,
You have no evidence of Putin's involvement, and cannot provide motive that would warrant the price. So, your argument is a fail.
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Apart from removing a political irritant who had the potential through his Moscow peace protest march to undermine his carefully crafted domestic perceptions of his Ukrainian policy you mean ? :roll:
 
flogger said:
Apart from removing a political irritant who had the potential through his Moscow peace protest march to undermine his carefully crafted domestic perceptions of his Ukrainian policy you mean ? :roll:
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More failure. He's been squawking and leading protests for 15 years, and he's been a pimple on the radar, ineffective and therefore left alone. A good way to point to the tolerance of opposition, weak as it was. He could have been quietly disappeared long ago. This very in the open, horn blowing and blazon murder that's drawing criticism and condemnation has zero benefit for Putin and much benefit for Western narrative. Your cheap play to this obvious fact demonstrates both how weak and disingenuous, and desperate I'll add, that you are.
 
Montecresto said:
More failure. He's been squawking and leading protests for 15 years, and he's been a pimple on the radar, ineffective and therefore left alone.
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The scale of the protest being organized would suggest otherwise

A good way to point to the tolerance of opposition, weak as it was. He could have been quietly disappeared long ago.
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And somewhat prophetically just a couple of weeks ago he publicly stated that he expected Putin to kill him

Boris Nemtsov: 'I'm afraid Putin will kill me,' politician said weeks before being shot dead - Europe - World - The Independent

This very in the open, horn blowing and blazon murder that's drawing criticism and condemnation has zero benefit for Putin and much benefit for Western narrative.
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In instances such as this Putin doesn't care about the Western narrative only the domestic one as his earlier murders clearly illustrate

Your cheap play to this obvious fact demonstrates both how weak and disingenuous, and desperate I'll add, that you are.
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I've let the linked list of his earlier murders speak for itself. I'm happy to let other more objective posters draw their own conclusions from it.
 
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Well, at least you acknowledge that there are more objective posters than yourself. Laughable that you push this narrative you know to be false. Typical of your cheap way out. You change nothing though, and it will not have the desired effect in the end.
 
Montecresto said:
Well, at least you acknowledge that there are more objective posters than yourself. Laughable that you push this narrative you know to be false. Typical of your cheap way out. You change nothing though, and it will not have the desired effect in the end.
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I'm happy to let the narrative backed by linked historical context speak for itself
 
Montecresto said:
You may deny the Western benefit of a culpable Putin all you like.
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Denying or accepting a position depends on the evidence that support it. Present evidence that the "West" benefits from culpable Putin.

Montecresto said:
The motivation doesn't have to be recognized by you.
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Nor anyone else in the current opinionated format.

Montecresto said:
And we is myself and all those that find it obvious that there's no upside for Putin in this.
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Which are?

Montecresto said:
Anyone that disagrees with Mr. DDD is a troll. You should ignore trolls you know.
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It is an option. I like challenging their unsupported opinions instead.
 
DDD said:
Denying or accepting a position depends on the evidence that support it. Present evidence that the "West" benefits from culpable Putin.



Nor anyone else in the current opinionated format.



Which are?



It is an option. I like challenging their unsupported opinions instead.
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You mean to say that while the West is actively working to destabilize Russia, the benefits of Putin being blamed for the murder of Boris escapes you. How can I work with that?
 
Montecresto said:
You mean to say that while the West is actively working to destabilize Russia, the benefits of Putin being blamed for the murder of Boris escapes you. How can I work with that?
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Your viewpoints are so extreme you sound more like a paid Kremlin posterbot put here to help disinform and destabilize the West frankly.
 
flogger said:
Your viewpoints are so extreme you sound more like a paid Kremlin posterbot put here to help disinform and destabilize the West frankly.
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You really do think there's power and authority at your fingertips, hahahahahahahahahaha, how funny.
 
DA60 said:
Gwynne Dyer: Moscow murder of Boris Nemtsov doesn't help Vladimir Putin

Gwynne Dyer: Moscow murder of Boris Nemtsov doesn't help Vladimir Putin | Georgia Straight
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Ironically Nemtsov expected to be killed by Putin and said so shortly before it happened.

Boris Nemtsov: 'I'm afraid Putin will kill me,' politician said weeks before being shot dead - Europe - World - The Independent

I expect he knew better as an ex deputy prime minister about the inner workings of the Putin regime than any casual western observer and what the consequences of his actions might ultimately be
 
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Montecresto said:
You mean to say that while the West is actively working to destabilize Russia, the benefits of Putin being blamed for the murder of Boris escapes you.
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It is a matter of fact that the beneficiary of the murder is the prime suspect. Provide evidence that this "West" is actively working to destabilize Russia?

Montecresto said:
How can I work with that?
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You can start by providing valid evidence to support your biased opinions.
 
flogger said:
Ironically Nemtsov expected to be killed by Putin and said so shortly before it happened.

Boris Nemtsov: 'I'm afraid Putin will kill me,' politician said weeks before being shot dead - Europe - World - The Independent

I expect he knew better as an ex deputy prime minister about the inner workings of the Putin regime than any casual western observer and what the consequences of his actions might ultimately be
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Nah, this "West" entity is putting words on Boris' mouth, all an all for just to damage Putin's glorious reputation! He never said that! Why, Putin would not ever even harm a fly!/sarcasm
 
flogger said:
And why should we care about the opinion of a retired Octogenarian self publicist ?
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:roll:

The source is irrelevant. What he says and the evidence he presents is.

I guess you are one of those people that cares more about who is making a statement rather then what they are actually saying.


Interesting that you refer to yourself in the plural. Actually, creepy is more accurate.

I hope you two have a nice day.
 
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DDD said:
It is a matter of fact that the beneficiary of the murder is the prime suspect. Provide evidence that this "West" is actively working to destabilize Russia?



You can start by providing valid evidence to support your biased opinions.
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And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that Putin is the main beneficiary?

I mean, use your head, Putin is riding VERY high in the polls. And this guy was a minor thorn in his side AT BEST. What could he possibly gain by having him killed right in front of the Kremlin?

Little to nothing. Putin is a pig, but he is not stupid.


Jeez...you people are just like sheep...whatever the government's tell you to believe...you believe.
 
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The open coffin of Boris Nemtsov is carried to his final resting place

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Mourners lay floral wreaths on the Nemtsov grave at Troyekurovskoye Cemetery in Moscow

I salute your courage. RIP Boris.
 
DA60 said:
And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that Putin is the main beneficiary?

I mean, use your head, Putin is riding VERY high in the polls. And this guy was a minor thorn in his side AT BEST. What could he possibly gain by having him killed right in front of the Kremlin?

Little to nothing. Putin is a pig, but he is not stupid.

Jeez...you people are just like sheep...whatever the government's tell you to believe...you believe.
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It is a matter of fact that Russian dictators eliminate their small (or not) rivals. See Stalin for instance.
 
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