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Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

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Russian Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov Shot Dead In Moscow

MOSCOW, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Boris Nemtsov, a Russian opposition politician and former deputy prime minister, has been shot dead in central Moscow, the Interior Ministry said early on Saturday.

Nemtsov, 55, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, had been due to take part on Sunday in the first big opposition protest in months in the Russian capital.​


So a coincidence, or is Putin cleaning up a bit of distracting business?
 
ocean515 said:
Russian Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov Shot Dead In Moscow

MOSCOW, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Boris Nemtsov, a Russian opposition politician and former deputy prime minister, has been shot dead in central Moscow, the Interior Ministry said early on Saturday.

Nemtsov, 55, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, had been due to take part on Sunday in the first big opposition protest in months in the Russian capital.​


So a coincidence, or is Putin cleaning up a bit of distracting business?
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I'll repeat here (since it is in the breaking news section) what I put on the threat in the Europe section that was posted just a short time ago:

Hamster Buddha said:
And to think, there's going to be a lot of people out there that still defend that madman.
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Being an opposition member in Russia is a dangerous practice.
 
ocean515 said:
Russian Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov Shot Dead In Moscow

MOSCOW, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Boris Nemtsov, a Russian opposition politician and former deputy prime minister, has been shot dead in central Moscow, the Interior Ministry said early on Saturday.

Nemtsov, 55, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, had been due to take part on Sunday in the first big opposition protest in months in the Russian capital.​


So a coincidence, or is Putin cleaning up a bit of distracting business?
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You think that the head of state and government and all in a purebred democracy like the Russian Federation would kill a mere little opposition .....
They say it wouldn't be the first one.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I'll repeat here (since it is in the breaking news section) what I put on the threat in the Europe section that was posted just a short time ago:
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He might be somewhat mad, but that does not mean he is not effective and dangerous.
 
joG said:
He might be somewhat mad, but that does not mean he is not effective and dangerous.
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Let me be very clear what I mean when I say that he's mad; several years back when Bush was still in office, there was a meeting between the two heads of states. As Dana Perino once recalled, they were having a hard time with Putin trying to understand that Bush didn't control the US Media. Putin just assumed that it was all run by the Bush Administration after Dan Rather was given the boot during that whole controversy. I don't know if it was just the Soviet-era Propaganda that was buried too deeply, or that he is just being fed wrong information and believing it, but he just didn't understand that we had a free press in the US. It's when you have that level of detachment from reality, that I really get scared.

joG said:
You think that the head of state and government and all in a purebred democracy like the Russian Federation would kill a mere little opposition .....
They say it wouldn't be the first one.
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Are we really surprised the ex-KGB spymaster turned President would be in the game for assassinations?
 
Montecresto said:
Putin condemned the murder and said it may have been a contract killing, Russian news agencies quoted his spokesman as saying.
He said Putin had been quickly informed of the killing and that the president had expressed his condolences and ordered the security agencies to investigate.

Boris Nemtsov, Russian opposition leader, shot dead in Moscow - World - CBC News
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I'm sure he does, just as I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the man was killed just outside of the Kremlin, and just a few days from a march against the war in Ukraine.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I'm sure he does, just as I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the man was killed just outside of the Kremlin, and just a few days from a march against the war in Ukraine.
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Yes, just like all the coincidences that get explained away in America.
 
Montecresto said:
Whatever that means.
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That means that for all the negative things I could say about Obama, I at least don't have to worry about him hiring contract killers to go after Boenher or Limbaugh.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
That means that for all the negative things I could say about Obama, I at least don't have to worry about him hiring contract killers to go after Boenher or Limbaugh.
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Here, have fun reading over all the coincidental deaths around Bill Clinton.

Clinton Casualties
 
Montecresto said:
Here, have fun reading over all the coincidental deaths around Bill Clinton.

Clinton Casualties
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You really think that Putin is anything like Bill Clinton? And what sort of BS is this page anyways that's part of the "Memorial Library"! Honestly man, you couldn't of bought into Putin's propaganda that much... This is the same guy who called the fall of the soviet union as one of the great political TRAGEDIES of the 20th Century. The same guy who has been cracking down on opposition leaders, or anyone who opposes him routinely, and has even gone so far as to have direct say in the nations news coverage. The guy has been in power in one way or another for 20 years, man! At what point are you willing to call a spade a spade and acknowledge he's a dictator. Really man, I get that you think the US is evil, but regardless of what you think of the US, you really going to stand up for this guy?
 
Hamster Buddha said:
You really think that Putin is anything like Bill Clinton? And what sort of BS is this page anyways that's part of the "Memorial Library"! Honestly man, you couldn't of bought into Putin's propaganda that much... This is the same guy who called the fall of the soviet union as one of the great political TRAGEDIES of the 20th Century. The same guy who has been cracking down on opposition leaders, or anyone who opposes him routinely, and has even gone so far as to have direct say in the nations news coverage. The guy has been in power in one way or another for 20 years, man! At what point are you willing to call a spade a spade and acknowledge he's a dictator. Really man, I get that you think the US is evil, but regardless of what you think of the US, you really going to stand up for this guy?
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I'm making no comparisons between anybody. I'm saying that there are plenty of explained away coincidental deaths here in America. And I'm not jumping to your conclusions because you have a burr in your saddle over Putin's success in reversing attempts by the US/EU to squeeze Russia out of Ukraine.
 
Montecresto said:
I'm making no comparisons between anybody. I'm saying that there are plenty of explained away coincidental deaths here in America. And I'm not jumping to your conclusions because you have a burr in your saddle over Putin's success in reversing attempts by the US/EU to squeeze Russia out of Ukraine.
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It's not just about Ukraine though, it never was. If it was just isolated to that one country then this wouldn't be a problem at all but it isn't and you've gotta see that. Whether it was the invasion in Georgia, suppression of free press inside Russia, the jailing of opposition leaders, how he seems to want to support every two bit dictator out there right now (I can get the strategic reasons mind you, but it can also be said that you are judged by the friends you keep), what he's said about former Soviet Union, the continued provocative actions on many NATO's borders with Russian Fighters, etc...

At some point, the man has to cross a line for you doesn't he? Or will you continue to make excuses after he's plunged the Europe into WW3?

Edit: Oh how could I forget the fact that he's continued to hold onto power for almost 20 years now... yeah that doesn't say Dictatorish at all.
 
I just heard on the news the opposition leader was shot to death in a drive by, and that Putin would personally oversee the investigation.

That seems to be your answer right there who did it, comrade.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
It's not just about Ukraine though, it never was. If it was just isolated to that one country then this wouldn't be a problem at all but it isn't and you've gotta see that. Whether it was the invasion in Georgia, suppression of free press inside Russia, the jailing of opposition leaders, how he seems to want to support every two bit dictator out there right now (I can get the strategic reasons mind you, but it can also be said that you are judged by the friends you keep), what he's said about former Soviet Union, the continued provocative actions on many NATO's borders with Russian Fighters, etc...

At some point, the man has to cross a line for you doesn't he? Or will you continue to make excuses after he's plunged the Europe into WW3?
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Oh please. Leave me alone with your aggravation for Putin, while all along you ignore or excuse much the same at home. The reporter for the San Jose Mercury that blew the lid off of Reagan's mischief with regards to Iran/Contra, was found dead in his apartment with TWO bullets to his head, and it was ruled SUICIDE!!!!! Obama was going to improve whistle blower protections, he claimed when campaigning. In fact, he has imprisoned more whistle blowers than any of his predecessors! Frankly I'm sick of your self righteousness, while pointing critical fingers at other world leaders. Suppose you clean house at home before telling others about their crimes. Or said another way, remove the beam from your own eye so that you might see clearly to help your neighbor improve.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh please. Leave me alone with your aggravation for Putin, while all along you ignore or excuse much the same at home. The reporter for the San Jose Mercury that blew the lid off of Reagan's mischief with regards to Iran/Contra, was found dead in his apartment with TWO bullets to his head, and it was ruled SUICIDE!!!!! Obama was going to improve whistle blower protections, he claimed when campaigning. In fact, he has imprisoned more whistle blowers than any of his predecessors! Frankly I'm sick of your self righteousness, while pointing critical fingers at other world leaders. Suppose you clean house at home before telling others about their crimes. Or said another way, remove the beam from your own eye so that you might see clearly to help your neighbor improve.
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Last I checked, Obama, or any US leader wasn't advocating bringing back one of the most oppressive and brutal governments in the world's history. You know how many deaths the Soviet Union were responsible for? Or just simply how many people suffered under their brutal rule? Quite frankly, I'm tired of your self-righteousness, trying to equate what's going on in Russia with anything that has ever occurred in the US, thinking the US is just as bad (or dare I say worse) as that dictatorship now setting up in Kremlin, just a few dozen feet from where this man was shot! But fine, you want to make excuses for the mad man in Russia, go right ahead, you're free to after all. It's not like your in Russia and have to worry about being locked up or killed for opinions...

Edit: Again, all the ones you brought up (and not well sourced might I add) didn't come up two days before a rally against their authority! Maybe if Reagan had killed the reporter prior to blowing the lid, then you'd have a point that he was trying to stop the damaging information from coming out. But the damage had already been done, there was no reason to do it! Think about these things man!
 
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Putin is nothing but a fascistic, neo-imperialist, leader. The 2018 elections cannot come soon enough.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Putin is nothing but a fascistic, neo-imperialist, leader. The 2018 elections cannot come soon enough.
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I'm not familiar with Russian Politics, but what's to stop him though from just putting himself as Prime Minister again like he did the last time his term limit came, and effectively keeping himself in power?
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I'm not familiar with Russian Politics, but what's to stop him though from just putting himself as Prime Minister again like he did the last time his term limit came, and effectively keeping himself in power?
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This is true...... I just hope the opposition movement is ready to hit the streets again.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
This is true...... I just hope the opposition movement is ready to hit the streets again.
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Whether or not Putin actually killed the opposition leader, it really doesn't matter because many in Russia will believe it regardless. And once they start to think that Putin, again whether he killed the guy or not, did order the hit, whose going to want to oppose him? Also, Politics from what I gathered in Russia has a weird sort of Monarchy quality to it that the stepping down President, generally selects the next one who comes in. It's worked that way since Yeltsin If I'm correct. And the Russian people seem plenty happy enough to have him in charge...
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Whether or not Putin actually killed the opposition leader, it really doesn't matter because many in Russia will believe it regardless. And once they start to think that Putin, again whether he killed the guy or not, did order the hit, whose going to want to oppose him?
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The Communists, Liberals, Social Democrats.

Also, Politics from what I gathered in Russia has a weird sort of Monarchy quality to it that the stepping down President, generally selects the next one who comes in. It's worked that way since Yeltsin If I'm correct. And the Russian people seem plenty happy enough to have him in charge...
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When I was in university I took "Soviet and Russian Politics" (this was 2 years ago), and my professor stated that Putin and his cronies essentially strong armed Yelstin from power. With Yelstin approval ratings sinking to below 10%, and Putin's sudden rise, he essentially forced Yelstin from power. Right now I'm sure they do approve of him because of the war in eastern Ukaine, but that "rally around the flag" syndrome has to stop at sometime.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The Communists, Liberals, Social Democrats.
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To be more specific, who would lead them? I'm sure someone will step up, but many won't though...

TheDemSocialist said:
When I was in university I took "Soviet and Russian Politics" (this was 2 years ago), and my professor stated that Putin and his cronies essentially strong armed Yelstin from power. With Yelstin approval ratings sinking to below 10%, and Putin's sudden rise, he essentially forced Yelstin from power. Right now I'm sure they do approve of him because of the war in eastern Ukaine, but that "rally around the flag" syndrome has to stop at sometime.
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Much of that though was behind the scenes though, for in public, Yeltsin did support him. And ever since then, the next guy up has always gotten the next one's blessing. That's why you don't see one term president's in Russia. As far as the syndrome stopping, I'm not so sure. Russia is a far different beast then anywhere in the West, and it's people reflect that. But beyond that, Putin has brought something to Russia's people that it desperately needed and that was to be relevant and to feel important again on the world stage. It's much the same manner as Hitler did for the German people still reeling from the Treaty of Versailles. Let's just hope that's where the comparisons to Hitler end...
 
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