DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

Thrilla said:

the Democrats are pulling this DHS stunt...and so are the Republicans.

that's fact.

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Now, see, you're not doing snark right. It's supposed to be obvious snark, not snark disguised as conservative lies.

Lutherf said:

Holy crap!!

Here's what's going to happen if they don't provide funding:

1. Customs and Border Patrol will cut hours and very publically claim that Republicans forced the nation to become less secure
2. TSA will cut hours and millions of people will have to wait longer to get on airplanes. Republicans will be blamed
3. Animal and Plant Health Inspection will cut hours so that meat and veggies don't make it to the grocery store as quickly. Republicans will be blamed

The only stuff that will change will be the stuff people actually see and feel. The other 19 agencies under DHS will still keep running full throttle because nobody knows who they are or what they do.

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Lol and also pretty much. How many terrorists do you think will be able to sneak through our southern borders now that Border Patrol is getting their hours cut?

JasperL said:

There wasn't ever any issue getting any part of ACA through Pelosi's House. She did her job like she did on all the other bills. ALL the action was on the Senate side, for ACA and everything else. The House passed it and it went to the Senate to die. Happened over and over and over and over.

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I recall a lot more opposition from the Blue Dogs, hell the only reason I know the term is because of the ACA debate. We don't hear them, now of course because by this point, all the moderate house democrats have been driven out by successive mid-term beat downs.

JasperL said:

OK, that's probably true, but at some point the House will have to face reality, and that reality is what can get through the Senate with 60 votes. Right now they're not willing to do that.

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Honestly, the House and Senate should work together to find a compromise both can find amenable. There is a reason after all why we have a Senate AND a House.

That being said, at this point it was really the only option and it should of been passed I will grant you that.

Hamster Buddha said:

I recall a lot more opposition from the Blue Dogs, hell the only reason I know the term is because of the ACA debate. We don't hear them, now of course because by this point, all the moderate house democrats have been driven out by successive mid-term beat downs.



Honestly, the House and Senate should work together to find a compromise both can find amenable. There is a reason after all why we have a Senate AND a House.

That being said, at this point it was really the only option and it should of been passed I will grant you that.

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There is such a compromise, and it was forged in the Senate. Boehner needs to grow a pair and bring that bill to the House floor already.

Senators McConnell and Reid working together for a one-week extension and adjourning for the weekend, as predicted the night of the election.
Enough DEMs will vote with a majority of GOPs to pass the one-week extension, as with the Cromnibus.
It starts all over again next Monday.
Kudos to McConnell for making DC continue to work a five-day week .

NIMBY said:

Senators McConnell and Reid working together for a one-week extension and adjourning for the weekend, as predicted the night of the election.
Enough DEMs will vote with a majority of GOPs to pass the one-week extension, as with the Cromnibus.
It starts all over again next Monday.
Kudos to McConnell for making DC continue to work a five-day week .

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I gotta say, I'm not a fan of McConnell, but he has been leaps and bounds more mature than Boehner has been in this fiasco.

Here is the DHS's contingency plan in case they go to a partial shutdown.

NIMBY said:

Senators McConnell and Reid working together for a one-week extension and adjourning for the weekend, as predicted the night of the election.
Enough DEMs will vote with a majority of GOPs to pass the one-week extension, as with the Cromnibus.
It starts all over again next Monday.
Kudos to McConnell for making DC continue to work a five-day week .

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My respect for McConnell would increase immensly if he said that this was his intent: to teach Congress how to work again. I doubt he'll do it but it would be lulzy.

Phys251 said:

Dude, don't even. I've seen how wildly off-base some of your other posts are, so I'm not quite ready to entertain the notion that you've suddenly gotten your facts straight. I shudder to think how loudly you and the other GOP voters would be howling were the Democrats to be the ones to pull this DHS stunt.

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I figure it's a pretty reasonable assumption considering that when they shut down the government a while back we had armed guards that had never been there before standing guard to keep people out of national parks. This kind of crap is all about politics and optics. It's nothing more than Democrats throwing a hissy fit and they like to do that in the most visible way possible so we can all see how important they are.

Lutherf said:

I figure it's a pretty reasonable assumption considering that when they shut down the government a while back we had armed guards that had never been there before standing guard to keep people out of national parks. This kind of crap is all about politics and optics. It's nothing more than Democrats throwing a hissy fit and they like to do that in the most visible way possible so we can all see how important they are.

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If you cannot accept the fact that 245 (GOP reps) > 188 (Dem reps), then you have zero standing in this debate. A demonstration of basic arithmetic skills would help you here.

The Senate has adjourned until Monday. Get some sleep, senators--you're going to need it.

Boehner? It's all you, man, it's all you.

Phys251 said:

If you cannot accept the fact that 245 (GOP reps) > 188 (Dem reps), then you have zero standing in this debate. A demonstration of basic arithmetic skills would help you here.

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You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.

Lutherf said:

You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.

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That's what I thought. You struggle to understand that 245 > 188. And keep the Fox "News" bullcrap out of this.

T minus 3 hours!

The genesis of the XO began just after the Senate passed its bi-partisan immigration reform.
You know that Cantor/Boehner refused to allow a vote on Rubio's Dream Act nor would they go to conference.

Finally, when Cantor tried a small step to reform, he got run out of office.

The President promised the XO BEFORE the election--he broke his word.
Hispanic Americans reacted by calling him the exporter-in-chief and didn't turn out in 2012 numbers in the 2014 election.

The GOP should be giving Obama kudos for ****ing his own DEMs in the last election.

By the way, DEMs will ride to the rescue later tonight on the one-week McConnell/Reid fix.
McConnell is slick .

Lutherf said:

You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.

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Phys251 said:

So because you believe several things have gone wrong prior, it's okay to let one more problem slide us closer to disaster?

If I EVER had an employee working for me who I knew acted that way, I'd fire them on the spot.

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Not at all, I'm just saying there's enough sharing to go around.

Phys251 said:

That's irrelevant. Because the House has the majority, the ball is in their court. Period. Boehner has 3h30m to get this DONE.

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I get it, you want to blame Republicans for everything and that's fine for you. It's not the whole truth, but that's politics.

Boehner to bring clean funding bill next week.
Pelosi to the rescue, as with the Cromnibus, with a seat back at the table of the big four.
And I expect the GOP not to break the 'Hastert' rule--the GOP will have a majority of the majority .

Hamster Buddha said:

Not at all, I'm just saying there's enough sharing to go around.

I get it, you want to blame Republicans for everything and that's fine for you. It's not the whole truth, but that's politics.

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Yes, accuse me of being political while you're struggling with arithmetic. :roll: gg, thanks for playing.

NIMBY said:

The genesis of the XO began just after the Senate passed its bi-partisan immigration reform.
You know that Cantor/Boehner refused to allow a vote on Rubio's Dream Act nor would they go to conference.

Finally, when Cantor tried a small step to reform, he got run out of office.

The President promised the XO BEFORE the election--he broke his word.
Hispanic Americans reacted by calling him the exporter-in-chief and didn't turn out in 2012 numbers in the 2014 election.

The GOP should be giving Obama kudos for ****ing his own DEMs in the last election.

By the way, DEMs will ride to the rescue later tonight on the one-week McConnell/Reid fix.
McConnell is slick .

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You're damned right that Cantor got run out of office. We've got laws regarding how people are allowed to enter and remain in this country. Cantor and others took it upon themselves to change those laws to something that a lot of Americans disagreed with and they expressed their displeasure at the ballot box. Now you have Obama trying to do circumvent those laws to an even greater extent and you are seeing the expression of LAWFUL, RESPONSIBLE disagreement with that action.

JasperL said:

Not true. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not one GOPer voted for it. Unanimous.

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My mistake then, but they did contribute to the process, and was where the tax cuts came into play if you recall. But keep in mind that again, Republicans had the luxury of being able to vote all against it, knowing it didn't matter in the end. At that point it was politics. Where the metal meets the dirt, is when the ACA started to come into play....

JasperL said:

We don't need to relitigate the ACA, but the point is the GOP promised from day one and DID try to block Obama on everything. Record filibusters, etc. And when they do that, and follow through time after time, even on what should be non-controversial appointments, is it any wonder the Democrats quit even trying to negotiate with them. What point is negotiating with someone when they have told you, and repeatedly proved, "If you compromise with me, I'll return the favor with a big fat HELL NO vote." So, democrats quit negotiating.... It's the rational move.

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The problem is that the Democrats were never interesting in negotiating. Regardless of whether you believe the GOP was going in from day one to stop everything, that still wouldn't stop the Democrats from at least attempting to have a conversation on the subject of, well the ACA as this all goes back to it. I mean, the reason the Democrats were thrown out of Congress to begin with wasn't just because Americans didn't the law, it was because the Democrats were seen as a party that was going to force through a law, and didn't care the consequences. After the ACA, which incidentally was the only time healthcare reform of that sort was passed on partisan lines, it was inevitable for the Democrats to lose ground.

JasperL said:

The GOP House wasn't going to respond to an Obama ultimatum. I edited the posts above to add that the Senate passed a bill along bipartisan lines. That's the kind of compromise you were asking for, it was done, a bill passed and the House did what they do which was say HELL NO to it.

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You don't know that, but let's assume for a moment that the GOP didn't follow through. There's nothing stopping Obama from going ahead and using unilateral action to do what he wants. Only now he can tell the American people that he gave the Republicans and chance and they wouldn't work with him. See before hand, it was more about a Democrat Senate and Republican House not getting along. But now, it would just be the Republicans shown to not make any movement. Look it may not make a difference to partisan such as yourself, but as someone like myself who doesn't have a dog in this fight, the way Obama went about it bothered me far more than what he actually did.

JasperL said:

I don't know if that's true or not. To my knowledge that kind of deal hasn't ever been proposed.

I'm not blaming the environment all on the GOP either - this has been a process long in the making, going back a couple of decades, with "both sides" playing their roles.

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As I stated before, I can agree on this, though I do believe more of the original blame lies with the Democrats and how they handled the ACA, but today the blame is now more to do with Republicans I will say that.

Phys251 said:

There is such a compromise, and it was forged in the Senate. Boehner needs to grow a pair and bring that bill to the House floor already.

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You wanna talk about Math? How about talking about 188 democrats that Pelosi has to draw from. Only need about fifty of them, or do you not think Pelosi could pull that off? That's all you'd need to get this important bill to pass.

Also, You do realize there's a reason for a House AND a Senate right? And that the two are suppose to find a compromise together?

So what is your plan to deal with the immigration system?

Do you believe it is broken, as Sen. Rubio and 12 other GOP Senators did with the Dream Act?
And of course Sen. Rubio backtracked when he was booed in front of TEA party audiences.

Do you believe it was okay for the President to be blamed by a big part of his base for being the deporter-in-chief?
Shouldn't these matters be dealt with at a joint conference, as per the Constitution?

And realistically, how would you export the 12 million or so illegals and deal with the ensuing economic fallout ?

Lutherf said:

You're damned right that Cantor got run out of office. We've got laws regarding how people are allowed to enter and remain in this country. Cantor and others took it upon themselves to change those laws to something that a lot of Americans disagreed with and they expressed their displeasure at the ballot box. Now you have Obama trying to do circumvent those laws to an even greater extent and you are seeing the expression of LAWFUL, RESPONSIBLE disagreement with that action.

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Phys251 said:

I gotta say, I'm not a fan of McConnell, but he has been leaps and bounds more mature than Boehner has been in this fiasco.

Here is the DHS's contingency plan in case they go to a partial shutdown.

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Considering McConnell has already allowed more votes on amendments this term than Reid did all last term,
this proud Democrat--often ridiculed for even saying that--tips his cap to a new and more open Senate, as voiced by my Sen. Durbin.

Sen. McConnell will not allow the government to shut down, period.
He's doing the little things needed to keep his Majority Leader position, in spite of a bad 2016 map.

After the Netanyahu speech, which I'm sure McConnell wasn't a part of, we have the 'doc fix' problem in March.

With the highway trust fund about to go broke in May, I can see him attach KXL to this very important Transportation bill.
This was my original preference, to have a long-term approach to energy, infrastructure and transportation .

reinoe said:

My respect for McConnell would increase immensly if he said that this was his intent: to teach Congress how to work again.
I doubt he'll do it but it would be lulzy.

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I believe McConnell has said this in so many words.
He quipped about what it was like to have a caucus full of Presidential candidates.

There are quite a few Senate Democrats who've never seen the Senate run with both sides contributing either.

There's no question in my mind that McConnell has the one job he's always wanted and he'll let no one in his party ruin that .

It's done. For a week, at least. We'll see what happens next week when we potentially go through this all over again.

NIMBY said:

So what is your plan to deal with the immigration system?

Do you believe it is broken, as Sen. Rubio and 12 other GOP Senators did with the Dream Act?
And of course Sen. Rubio backtracked when he was booed in front of TEA party audiences.

Do you believe it was okay for the President to be blamed by a big part of his base for being the deporter-in-chief?
Shouldn't these matters be dealt with at a joint conference, as per the Constitution?

And realistically, how would you export the 12 million or so illegals and deal with the ensuing economic fallout ?

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I don't have the slightest inclination to seek out and deport anyone. What I do have a desire to do is, when someone here illegally gets popped for something, you kick them, their kids, their cousins, and whoever else is associated with them back to where they came from so that they can start the process the right way. I'd also be all for making it easier to get an H1B especially through employer sponsor programs so that people who just wanted to come here to work could do so. They don't get to bring their wife and their kids and their parents and when the term is up they have to go home but if it's easy then nobody will have a reason to come here illegally. Along with that I'd do away with "Lawful Permanent Resident" status. Green Cards would be issued for 5 years with a single option to renew for another 5 years. If you want to stay here longer than that then get naturalized.

Lets review.

1. 6 weeks ago, the House passes a bill fully funding DHS through the end of the fiscal year, with one stipulation, that no funding could go towards enforcing Obamas amnesty order.
2. The Senate did nothing until yesterday (the last day of funding authorization), when they amended the bill to remove that stipulation and sent it back to the House.

It seems pretty obvious that the Senate negligence to even look at the House bill or offer their own bill, until the very last minute, is to blame.Meet the new bosses, same as the old bosses.