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Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

ARealConservative said:
put your pom poms away.

All we know for sure is government got more power. We have no idea what will become of that increase in power.

History shows that giving government power to protect the little guy from the rich and powerful isn't the panacea you always seem to claim it to be.
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I agree. Lets start getting rid of regulations with that damned 1st amendment. The Govt. has no right to guarantee us free speech. It is just more Govt. regulations that will turn into tyranny.
 
iguanaman said:
I agree. Lets start getting rid of regulations with that damned 1st amendment. The Govt. has no right to guarantee us free speech. It is just more Govt.
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the 1st amendment is a limitation on government control. This is an increase in government control. your analogy couldn't be more absurd.
 
TeleKat said:
You know it's bad when people start selling fresh air:

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FYI, that picture predates the 70s.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this particular item, but as a general rule I do not approve of laws/rules being approved by unelected bureaucrats. I don't care if they were appointed and/or confirmed by elected representatives, I still don't think it's a kosher way to conduct business. The ones who make the rules and/or laws should be directly accountable to the people.
 
Fenton said:
FYI, that picture predates the 70s.
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Uh, yeah. That's a no-brainer. The Clean Air Act was passed in 1970, so the worst of the air pollution predates that decade.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
So the FCC voted on something, who exactly had a chance to read it before the vote?
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the FCC got the chance to read it.. .and no doubt the administration ( who pushed it)

the public?... nope.. it was top secret... Congress? nope, they were intentionally kept out of the loop.


judges will get to read it now, though...it's heading off to court battles.... maybe the 3rd time will be a charm? ( I predict it will be shot down, but we'll see)
 
pbrauer said:
Just wait until most movies will be watched on the internet, those sites will get the highest priority.
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Thats not fair.. what if I cant afford Netflix.. I think others should pay for it for me..just tax the rich libs more...equal service and pay for all..
 
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Ockham said:
Well it was good while it lasted. :shrug:
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So what do you think will be the concrete negative impact of this? And I don't mean vague bumper sticker answers like "less freedom" or "kittens will have teh sadz." Something tangible.
 
Cardinal said:
So what do you think will be the concrete negative impact of this? And I don't mean vague bumper sticker answers like "less freedom" or "government intrusion." Something tangible.
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Taxes, fees, restrictions. Potentially. I.e.: if the government believes it can remove the trademark for the Washington Redskins because it is deemed offensive, will they also try to ban discussion using the team name for the same reason?

Then again, maybe nothing will happen. :shrug:
 
pbrauer said:
Do think that anyone can pick and choose what frequencies they broadcast on?
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no but Obama and libs do with the "fairness doctrine"...since the libs cant compete they want to demand others cant..they want to monitor content...
 
One thing we can observe from this is that certain folks will swallow for thier team no matter what. People who support this plan, are sheep.
 
iguanaman said:
I agree. Lets start getting rid of regulations with that damned 1st amendment. The Govt. has no right to guarantee us free speech. It is just more Govt. regulations that will turn into tyranny.
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You'd think that someone who regularly posts on a political message board would understand the difference between a constitutional amendment and a federal regulation created by a body that is not directly responsible to the will of the people.
 
pbrauer said:
Just wait until most movies will be watched on the internet, those sites will get the highest priority.
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So the solution to that potential problem is to regulate how much bandwidth an ISP can provide to the movie service?

Here's the way this kind of thing works in the real world:
1. ISP realizes that streaming functions are sucking up their bandwidth
2. They charge more for customers who want the additional bandwidth
3. They use the increased revenue to upgrade their infrastructure so that they can meet projected future needs

The end result is that everybody wins.

I haven't seen the new rules yet but based on what I'm reading and hearing the likely result will be that the ISP's will now have to limit the bandwidth dedicated to streaming activities until they can upgrade their infrastructure but that will also be limited because they will be restricted in what they can charge their customers. I'm also hearing that the FCC has opened up the option for municipalities to provide their own internet services which would then compete with private providers. The result of that will be a direct municipal tax for services that the resident may or may not use. Furthermore, if municipal ISP's become available it won't be too long until you see a federal ISP and the end result of that will be the death of the communications industry. You will, in effect, have avoided the specter of a "monopoly" of evil corporations for the true monopoly of a national communications cabal.
 
Liberals and thus freedom won today. Much like clean air and clean water, we can thank liberals for a free internet saved from the clutches of tyrannical corporate profits and monopoly.
 
radcen said:
Taxes, fees,
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I'll lump that under one heading. Last I looked at my phone bill (a title II utility) total government fees were about 1.5%. If that keeps NN then I'll swallow the cost.

restrictions.
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Such as?

Potentially.
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Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats, living together...mass hysteria!

I.e.: if the government believes it can remove the trademark for the Washington Redskins because it is deemed offensive, will they also try to ban discussion using the team name for the same reason?
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Did "the government" remove the trademark or was this something settled in civil court?

Then again, maybe nothing will happen. :shrug:
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Probably not nothing: I'll most likely be faced with another 1.5% or so tax on my future internet bills.
 
Lutherf said:
So the solution to that potential problem is to regulate how much bandwidth an ISP can provide to the movie service?

Here's the way this kind of thing works in the real world:
1. ISP realizes that streaming functions are sucking up their bandwidth
2. They charge more for customers who want the additional bandwidth
3. They use the increased revenue to upgrade their infrastructure so that they can meet projected future needs

The end result is that everybody wins.

I haven't seen the new rules yet but based on what I'm reading and hearing the likely result will be that the ISP's will now have to limit the bandwidth dedicated to streaming activities until they can upgrade their infrastructure but that will also be limited because they will be restricted in what they can charge their customers. I'm also hearing that the FCC has opened up the option for municipalities to provide their own internet services which would then compete with private providers. The result of that will be a direct municipal tax for services that the resident may or may not use. Furthermore, if municipal ISP's become available it won't be too long until you see a federal ISP and the end result of that will be the death of the communications industry. You will, in effect, have avoided the specter of a "monopoly" of evil corporations for the true monopoly of a national communications cabal.
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Bullseye...
 
Verax said:
Liberals and thus freedom won today. Much like clean air and clean water, we can thank liberals for a free internet saved from the clutches of tyrannical corporate profits and monopoly.
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180 degrees from what really happened today..
 
Who wants to bet that conservatives will be retroactively blaming NSA spying on our emails on the FCC change?
 
not one person who is for the passing of these new regulations, can tell us what exactly was in them

doesnt that bother any of you?

does your trust of government run so deep that you just accept secret regulations that never get to be debated by the public

rules that the congress wasnt even allowed to see?

for an administration that promised everything out in the open, this reeks

something stinks, and it isnt the kimchee in my neighbors yard
 
Travis007 said:
180 degrees from what really happened today..
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According to the right-wing disinformation sources you consult, sure.

It is actually 360 degrees from what I said.
 
gdgyva said:
not one person who is for the passing of these new regulations, can tell us what exactly was in them

doesnt that bother any of you?

does your trust of government run so deep that you just accept secret regulations that never get to be debated by the public

rules that the congress wasnt even allowed to see?

for an administration that promised everything out in the open, this reeks

something stinks, and it isnt the kimchee in my neighbors yard
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Well said. the blind trust some of these people have is mind blowing.
 
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