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US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

Oh we're there already, and have been for years.

The difference is that our media is owned by complicit corporations that act on the government's behalf. Remember, like when the Bush administration asked the NYT to not publish the information gained by James Risen? And NYT happily went along? Just long enough for Dubya to be re-elected?

Yes, there are many other examples clearly demonstrating the unholy alliance between the government and the Fourth Estate. Many examples of "journalists" sending stories to various agencies of the government prior to publication so that the government can approve or disapprove of the story.

There is a spectrum, and certainly theres a lefty bias-but we still aren't russia...yet.
 
If its for men who are risking their lives to defend this nation, its not a handout, is it?

Of course it is. Its something given to that person which has been collectively paid for.
 
Holy Cow, I guess I should be vewwy scared, eh? Those nasty mean Russians.

No, we don't kill our journalists, we just imprison them. We just listen in on their phone calls and read their emails.

OMG, I am so afraid of those mean Russians. :roll:

Better red than dead, eh?
 
Thats true and he can read Obama like an open book-and the word muscle isn't in there.

Leading from behind apparently isn't what Obama-Hillary said it is. She'll pay for that world view when she runs for POTUS, especially if she gets the dem nomination.
 
All of this would depend on the context of any military actions. I dont need to explain every sparrows fall, the left certainly does not. :2wave:

that seems like a dodge. which global conflicts do you want us fully involved in, what is the timeline, and how much more are you willing to pay in taxes?
 
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Of course it is. Its something given to that person which has been collectively paid for.

You just described every govt employee there guy.

I love hearing a tax-loving lefty suddenly lament taxes.

Why is it you love big govt till it comes to the military?
 
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that seems like a dodge. which global conflicts do you want us fully involved in, what is the timeline, and how much more are you willing to pay in taxes?

Look what's happening in the world now that the US has rescinded its leadership role. Just FYI, leading from behind isn't leading.
 
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Leading from behind apparently isn't what Obama-Hillary said it is. She'll pay for that world view when she runs for POTUS, especially if she gets the dem nomination.

Yes her "What difference does it make!?!" style of leadership is sure to be welcomed.
 
that seems like a dodge. which global conflicts do you want us fully involved in, what is the timeline, and how much more are you willing to pay in taxes?

I want ISIS ****ing dead. I want a commitment on the war on terror as a whole, and I want to do what it takes to stop Russian expansion.

We need to be able to fight our two biggest conventional threats-Russia and China, at any one time, as well as a force capable of low intensity anti-terror ops.

The left would rather spend that on food stamps-thats not good enough.
 
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Look what's happening in the world now that the US has rescinded its leadership role. Just FYI, leading from behind isn't leading.

so how would you change it? which conflicts would you choose for us to be fully involved in? and how much would you be willing to pay to maintain a constant state of war?
 
You just described every govt employee there guy.

I love hearing a tax-loving lefty suddenly lament taxes.
I just explained to you what a "handout" is, and how that benefits even military personnel are "handouts"..

Why is it you love big govt till it comes to the military?
I also never said that...
 
I want ISIS ****ing dead. I want a commitment on the war on terror as a whole, and I want to do what it takes to stop Russian expansion.

We need to be able to fight our two biggest conventional threats-Russia and China, at any one time, as well as a force capable of low intensity anti-terror ops.

The left would rather spend that on food stamps-thats not good enough.

so, you support a new war in the Middle East, a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, and possibly China. what does that look like? how should we change our tax structure in order to fund a three front war? can we do that just by defunding food stamps?
 
so, you support a new war in the Middle East, a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, and possibly China. what does that look like? how should we change our tax structure in order to fund a three front war? can we do that just by defunding food stamps?

What new war? We already ARE at war with ISIS, the war on terror never ended-and we already ARE in a proxy war with Russia, or just a step below.
Stop appeasing our enemies and adversaries and grow a pair.

Our military has been diminished under this potus, and we are spending record amounts on handouts for Americans that should be working-thats what made us great.

Expect a real POTUS to rectify this, as you tremble before Putin.
 
What new war? We already ARE at war with ISIS, the war on terror never ended-and we already ARE in a proxy war with Russia, or just a step below.
Stop appeasing our enemies and adversaries and grow a pair.

Our military has been diminished under this potus, and we are spending record amounts on handouts for Americans that should be working-thats what made us great.

Expect a real POTUS to rectify this, as you tremble before Putin.

ok. so tell me how much in taxes you are willing to pay for an all out war on three fronts. what does that look like? how long will we be an occupying force in these regions?
 
I just explained that the military earned it.
No. You stated they "earned it". Then you falsely accused me of "loving big govt till it comes to the military".

Welfare queens not so much.
What kind of "handouts"? When are you going to return your "handouts"?
 
ok. so tell me how much in taxes you are willing to pay for an all out war on three fronts. what does that look like? how long will we be an occupying force in these regions?

If we ever get into an actual war on 3 fronts, every American is going to be paying for it-and the world will likely be at war.
Entitlement spending (the lefts favorite) will be first on the chopping block.
 
so how would you change it? which conflicts would you choose for us to be fully involved in? and how much would you be willing to pay to maintain a constant state of war?

US isolationism regarding terrorism is getting a lot of people in the ME killed, Hitleresque. The Arab Spring ensured that success.

What would I do? Elect a president that understands and accepts the US role in the world.
 
No. You stated they "earned it". Then you falsely accused me of "loving big govt till it comes to the military".


What kind of "handouts"? When are you going to return your "handouts"?

Im a producer, never got handouts, never qualified for them, and wouldn't have taken them if I could.
No housing assistance, food stamps, tuition assistance, etc. I actually pay taxes.

I put myself through school, paid my way (sometimes by earning scholarships), and have been continuously employed since I was 16.
I also decided to learn skills that are in high demand and pay well, and Im not done yet. :2wave:
 
Im a producer, never got handouts, never qualified for them, and wouldn't have taken them if I could.
No housing assistance, food stamps, tuition assistance, etc. I actually pay taxes.
Really? Medicare? Roads? Public schools? Post office? Unemployment? I find this hard to believe.

I put myself through school, paid my way (sometimes by earning scholarships), and have been continuously employed since I was 16.
You paid your own way through a private high school?

I also decided to learn skills that are in high demand and pay well, and Im not done yet. :2wave:
Good for you. Wish you the best of luck in the future. But I kinda doubt that you have "never got handouts"....
 
Really? Medicare? Roads? Public schools? Post office? Unemployment? I find this hard to believe.


You paid your own way through a private high school?


Good for you. Wish you the best of luck in the future. But I kinda doubt that you have "never got handouts"....

I paid for those roads, and I still do. And judging by who actually pays taxes in this nation, I pay more than most. My parents paid taxes to fund the public high school I went to.

And I will pay (public or private) for my children when/if I have them.

Unlike you lefties, Im not entitled and dont want or need freebies.

I know its hard for you to believe-but people like me exist. :2wave:
 
I paid for those roads, and I still do. And judging by who actually pays taxes in this nation, I pay more than most. My parents paid taxes to fund the public high school I went to.
Ohhhh... Sooo I get it... Its the, "its not a handout if I use it" argument... Im sorry but even the impoverished pay taxes...


And I will pay (public or private) for my children when/if I have them.
Good for you. So will many others.


Unlike you lefties, Im not entitled and dont want or need freebies.
Please give back your social security then.


I know its hard for you to believe-but people like me exist. :2wave:
No they dont exist. Because all of use take "handouts".
 
Ohhhh... Sooo I get it... Its the, "its not a handout if I use it" argument... Im sorry but even the impoverished pay taxes...



Good for you. So will many others.



Please give back your social security then.



No they dont exist. Because all of use take "handouts".

Its not a handout if I pay for it. Is that hard to grasp?

I paid for my social security (involuntarily, thats what leftists like to do to get their little schemes), why on earth would I give it back, even if it underperforms a conservative financial investment?

What handouts to I use, because I dont see them? Can you give me some examples? As established, roads and schools are not examples. What else you got?
 
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