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Report: Chicago police shoot teen 16 times[W:158]

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You shouldn't post any Cash. He surely wouldn't have taken the authoritarian stance and blindly supported law enforcement and the result of this incident.

I dont "blindly" support law enforcement but I understand what they do, and have reviewed the released facts of the case.
Cash was indeed anti-authoritarian (and had dabbled in criminal activities as did Merle Haggard and Waylon Jennings) but I suspect he knew that slashing a cops tires and coming at him with a knife was a ticket to the morgue.
 
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I have participated in dozens of autopsies, btw, it was part of my education. They are always led by a forensic pathologist. :2wave:

No they're not, many smaller communities dont have forensic pathologists on staff.
 
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No, depending on rapid the firing is a human target close enough you get hits on every trigger pull but 16 says two officers were firing unless the weapon is 15 in the clip with one in the chamber. I don't know if an 9mms can do that.

Common 9mm firearms carried by police are 17 doublestack *magazines*, plus one in the chamber.

Glock, S&W, & XD all make these and they are common in police depts. Sig and Beretta may also.
 
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Maybe that police department should consider changing to handguns with more stopping power. I recall seeing video of a criminal who had been hit eleven times with 9mm bullets but was still running around and shooting back. He was able to get into a police car, start it, and roar away. He finally died from loss of blood after he'd driven a few hundred yards down the road.

Plenty of reports of people running around with multiple .45 rounds in them too. Check out the Ayoob Files or the classic FBI Miami gunfight.
 
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A questionable killing by the cops, can't say I'm shocked.
 
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No they're not, many smaller communities dont have forensic pathologists on staff.

Im in California, and I know for a fact in other states where testifying is likely, especially in a homicide (different meanings between medicine and the legal system) it typically be. Smaller communities typically use the county or a regional coroner for this.
 
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Im in California, and I know for a fact in other states where testifying is likely, especially in a homicide (different meanings between medicine and the legal system) it typically be. Smaller communities typically use the county or a regional coroner for this.

That was not apparent from the post I quoted or your prior one....that these were autopsies 'where testifying is likely." I assume that's where homicide is suspected.
 
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That was not apparent from the post I quoted or your prior one....that these were autopsies 'where testifying is likely." I assume that's where homicide is suspected.

Not all homicides, but most. BTW in medicine a suicide is considered a homicide.
 
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First of all its not, I was able to go to the article, read through it, and post the stats I did-im not a subscriber. I have no idea why you can't. Second, additional stats from other sources have been cited in this thread, they were actually worse than mine.

So you have nothing. Got it.

PS - This is posting a link to the autopsy report: Autopsy of Laquan McDonald

Autopsy of Laquan McDonald
 
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So you have nothing. Got it.

PS - This is posting a link to the autopsy report: Autopsy of Laquan McDonald

Autopsy of Laquan McDonald

I already posted that. And if you read the wound paths and associated trauma you will see that only 3 of the shots could have been fatal, and none immediately so. :2wave:

This is why you can't simply look at the number of times someone is shot as evidence of anything let alone "overkill".
 
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Not all homicides, but most. BTW in medicine a suicide is considered a homicide.

Well they dont know it's a suicide until it's investigated, starting with the autopsy, right?
 
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You dont have enough background knowledge to even know what you dont know.
The heart (and arteries) pump blood-pressure is required for blood to flow. The fact that blood accumulated where it did (around the lung/brain) can only happen if the heart pumped it there. Dead people dont bleed, rather blood is forced towards the ground via gravity.

Verbose. What I asked for was the specific page upon which it was determined when Laquan McDonald died. We get it. You know a lot. As evidenced by the post count and extensive medical background. You seem to have a lot of free time for a med student. :cool: Who knew the heart pumped blood, "dead people don't bleed", and blood obeys the law of gravity?!

Looking for a little evidence to support all of the priggish platitudes. You haven't read the autopsy report and it's okay.
 
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Well they dont know it's a suicide until it's investigated, starting with the autopsy, right?

Depends, but a suicide is still caused by the actions of man. Sometimes its exceedingly difficult, one of my autopsies was a woman who decided to make it look like an accident while jogging to get the insurance money for her kids. Thing is, you can hear a train coming even with headphones on, and thats what got it ruled as a suicide-that and the fact that she never went jogging before.

The pathologist does not have all the info when these are done, thats a good thing to keep things objective.
 
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Verbose. What I asked for was the specific page upon which it was determined when Laquan McDonald died. We get it. You know a lot. As evidenced by the post count and extensive medical background. You seem to have a lot of free time for a med student. :cool: Who knew the heart pumped blood, "dead people don't bleed", and blood obeys the law of gravity?!

Looking for a little evidence to support all of the priggish platitudes. You haven't read the autopsy report and it's okay.

You wont find it because it does not exist. That can't be determined, all we know is what injuries would have been lethal, and that his heart was beating long enough to allow blood to accumulate. Time of death can sometimes be determined by temp, but thats not typically done when there were cops on scene-no need.
 
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I already posted that. And if you read the wound paths and associated trauma you will see that only 3 of the shots could have been fatal, and none immediately so. :2wave:

This is why you can't simply look at the number of times someone is shot as evidence of anything let alone "overkill".

Which post number in this thread, I missed it? And while you're at it hook me up with the specific page, picture (anything.) to which you infer the following "And if you read the wound paths and associated trauma you will see that only 3 of the shots could have been fatal, and none immediately so."
 
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Which post number in this thread, I missed it? And while you're at it hook me up with the specific page, picture (anything.) to which you infer the following "And if you read the wound paths and associated trauma you will see that only 3 of the shots could have been fatal, and none immediately so."

Its already posted in this thread-you can go find it.
 
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You wont find it because it does not exist. That can't be determined, all we know is what injuries would have been lethal, and that his heart was beating long enough to allow blood to accumulate.

If there is no way of determining which specific shot was the fatal shot, how is it possible to discern whether it was the 5th or 12th?

How many "lethal" combinations of injuries are there when the dead guy has 16 bullet holes in him?
 
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So you like those laws in Chicago when it's convenient to your argument?

So if you like one law you have to like them all?
 
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If there is no way of determining which specific shot was the fatal shot, how is it possible to discern whether it was the 5th or 12th?

How many "lethal" combinations of injuries are there when the dead guy has 16 bullet holes in him?

All I know if I shoot and the bad guy's keeps commin, I shoot again, and if he's still commin, I shoot again, and if he's still commin, again.....if he doesn't want to get shot 16 times then he should stop before then.
 
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If there is no way of determining which specific shot was the fatal shot, how is it possible to discern whether it was the 5th or 12th?

How many "lethal" combinations of injuries are there when the dead guy has 16 bullet holes in him?

He died of blood loss (exsanguination). You look at what vital structures were hit, and the amount of accumulated blood to make that determination. He didn't die from the glancing head injury, even if you are bleeding in your skull, theres not enough room to bleed out.

He could have died eventually from the tracheal injury, but that would have taken time, and it was not noted that there was significant disruption or air trapped under the skin-even if it was that was not the immediate cause. It would be like someone choking, they'd be conscious for at least a brief time-long enough to still get shot. Its not like TV.

The lung injury-with its associated hemothorax would have been the cause, judging by the blood they found there and knowing that the lung has many pulmonary blood vessels-but this too takes time to cause enough bleeding to lose consciousness. How long? Long enough to still get shot.

The rest of the injuries were minor, and while there would have been some blood loss, it alone would not have caused sudden death. Note that while there were shots to the back, that does not mean he wasn't facing the cops (like the other shots) because he could have been leaned or hunched over. They penetrate up high and come out lower, that give me an idea of the bullets trajectory.

Bottom line there was no trauma found that would have shown him to have dropped suddenly (like a brain or center chest shot). So that explains why he was shot so many times-he didn't just drop. I think people are looking for another trayvon martin case, and without knowing the facts or how to read the coroners report are looking to start something up.
 
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