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Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

A court ruling from a theocracy. It's not like the citizens really have any say in this.

But somehow I suspect far more than 1 percent of citizens agree with the ruling, unlike what Obama suggests.
 
Nobody said we did. But it is a question of cultural values and they are relative.

The basic human right to life is not (or should not be) dependent on religious/church participation. Changing religious or political party affiliation does not merit the loss of life - ever or anywhere.
 
So then why do you have all this fear with those in the ME Monte? What about them.....makes you so very afraid. Are you sure you are okay? You do know they are not monsters, Right?

You're not intimidated by those in the ME are ya? Don't you worry, if they make a mean face. You can get behind me. I'll look out for ya lil fella.
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Thanks I feel much better. I'm not the one preaching that we need to be there taking them on. That would be the fearful ones, eh.
 
Thanks I feel much better. I'm not the one preaching that we need to be there taking them on. That would be the fearful ones, eh.


Nah, those wouldn't be the fearful ones out doing the hunting. That's why they are chosen to do what they do. Specifically because no fear exists in them.

But then you are acknowledging that when it comes to those in the ME. That no involvement by the US will bring Peace and Stability to those in the ME. Which just isn't reality.
 
The basic human right to life is not (or should not be) dependent on religious/church participation. Changing religious or political party affiliation does not merit the loss of life - ever or anywhere.

So you say. Others say differently. On the other hand, there are many countries that say we have an atavistic and immoral legal system because we have capital punishment.
 
Whenever I want the official word on what Allah's will is in any matter, I reach right for the authoritative, officially approved exposition of shari'ah, the 14th century "Reliance of the Traveller." And there I find this, under part "o", entitled "Justice":

o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the Caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.


Allah doesn't take kindly to fornication or sodomy, either. We are told in o12.2 that if the offender is sane, has reached the age of puberty, and has the capacity to remain chaste--meaning the person has had sexual intercourse at least once with their spouse in a legal marriage--then "he or she is stoned to death." You get off lighter if you did not have the capacity to remain chaste, which can happen under several circumstances. In that case, the penalty is being scourged one hundred stripes and then being banished to a distance of at least fifty miles for one year.
 
But somehow I suspect far more than 1 percent of citizens agree with the ruling, unlike what Obama suggests.

It's safe to assume anything that comes out of that damned self-serving liar's mouth is untrue. Polls in those Arab nations show that in most of them, a majority favors shari'ah.
 
You don't even understand what you're saying. Good day.

Uh, no - you don't understand what I'm saying. Persecution is fixed in your evangelical mind and that overrides any facts that may come up.
 
Nah, those wouldn't be the fearful ones out doing the hunting. That's why they are chosen to do what they do. Specifically because no fear exists in them.

But then you are acknowledging that when it comes to those in the ME. That no involvement by the US will bring Peace and Stability to those in the ME. Which just isn't reality.

A huge amount of involvement in the Middle East for years now has netted an Islamic State constructing a caliphate, no, NO, Sorry, but NO!
 
What I was pointing Out and you, as ALWAYS, Disingenuously avoided, was that Most Saudi 'citizens' would probably NOT disagree, based on country polls (probably 90% do agree) and relative piety... contrary to your Usual Ridiculous Islamo-Apologism.

GameOver # 6471.

Probably 90 percent? Why? Why not 42% like Iraq? Why not 76% like Pakistan?

Why do you assume Saudi Arabia is an outlier?
 
A huge amount of involvement in the Middle East for years now has netted an Islamic State constructing a caliphate, no, NO, Sorry, but NO!

Yeah, and then before there was no huge involvement when you check the History. Seems like they have constantly had the same problems going on. Whether others were there or not. That's the facts.

So yes.....you can't blame the rest of the World for what those in the ME are responsible for. No matter what way you try to go with it. They take the blame for their own actions and behaviors. No one else.

Just them.
 
Uh, no - you don't understand what I'm saying. Persecution is fixed in your evangelical mind and that overrides any facts that may come up.

You equated a court beheading a citizen over renouncing Islam to southern Baptists. That's demented.
 
You equated a court beheading a citizen over renouncing Islam to southern Baptists. That's demented.

You have much less of a grasp that I thought you did.
 
Welcome to yesterday.

I didn't blame Obama for the court ruling. Just that he claims that Islamic jihadists represent only 1 percent of Muslims, which is nonsense.

I don't know what the percent is. And I am certainly not speaking out in defense of Obama. But I just find it hilarious when conservatives defended Saudi Arabia during the Bush Era because they were our "ally" in the WoT, yet are guilty of some of the worst human rights abuses in the 21st century.
 
I don't know what the percent is. And I am certainly not speaking out in defense of Obama. But I just find it hilarious when conservatives defended Saudi Arabia during the Bush Era because they were our "ally" in the WoT, yet are guilty of some of the worst human rights abuses in the 21st century.

Conservatives have never defended the ass-backwards, inferior, prehistoric, undeveloped, human-rights abomination of a culture that pervades the Middle East.

It's a sub-human culture based on a dangerously evil theology. But when you can't drill your own oil in Anwar, you have to deal with the kindest devil you're dealt, I suppose.
 
Conservatives have never defended the ass-backwards, inferior, prehistoric, undeveloped, human-rights abomination of a culture that pervades the Middle East.

They didn't necessarily defend their specific practices, they just looked the other way when it was a Republican holding the Saudi king's hand... literally.
 
They didn't necessarily defend their specific practices, they just looked the other way when it was a Republican holding the Saudi king's hand... literally.

Nobody has ever had false pretenses about Saudi Arabia. No president could be blamed for their ways, unless they were cozying up with a state like Iran that was openly hostile toward the US.

Again, it's like swimming in the sewer when it comes to Middle East relations.
 
Yeah, and then before there was no huge involvement when you check the History. Seems like they have constantly had the same problems going on. Whether others were there or not. That's the facts.

So yes.....you can't blame the rest of the World for what those in the ME are responsible for. No matter what way you try to go with it. They take the blame for their own actions and behaviors. No one else.

Just them.

And we take the blame for ours. Removing Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and helping neutralize Assad, which our NIE says has made global terrorism worse, and America less safe. Now why in the hell would we care what some Internet dude from Chicago thinks, when our own NIE's, intelligence analysts, congressional committees, senior fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations, professors of geopolitics at several universities, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jonathan Turley, and on and on, all say differently?
 
I don't know what the percent is. And I am certainly not speaking out in defense of Obama. But I just find it hilarious when conservatives defended Saudi Arabia during the Bush Era because they were our "ally" in the WoT, yet are guilty of some of the worst human rights abuses in the 21st century.

Supplying 15 of the nineteen attackers and supplying financiers for 9/11. And this week a Saudi Arabian was arrested in Africa for plotting to blow up a couple of US embassies there. They also have a large history of support for regional terrorism.
 
They didn't necessarily defend their specific practices, they just looked the other way when it was a Republican holding the Saudi king's hand... literally.

This is true. And then we looked the other way when SA needed to crush Arab Spring protests, not unlike the ones we were supporting elsewhere, in Bahrain, which SA considered a threat to them. In exchange for their support in overthrowing Gaddafi. Something that has ruined Libya, emboldened terrorism, and made America less safe.
 
And we take the blame for ours. Removing Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and helping neutralize Assad, which our NIE says has made global terrorism worse, and America less safe. Now why in the hell would we care what some Internet dude from Chicago thinks, when our own NIE's, intelligence analysts, congressional committees, senior fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations, professors of geopolitics at several universities, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jonathan Turley, and on and on, all say differently?



Again Monte......what part can't you keep up with when the US is out of the Picture. Thats who you blame all on, and for everything going on in the ME. You can't even come up with any answers when it falls on those in the ME for WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

And why in the hell would we let some Internet DUDE in Saudi Arabia keep deflecting to his only talking point of blaming the US. Just so he can blame the US for everything. While crying about partisanship......yet can't figure out what Ideologies make up that partisanship.

Even when told the US is out of the Picture you still can't figure it out.

Oh and do try to be accurate as to the Saud creating the whole Assad Problem. You know.....those that you live around. The US couldn't have done anything, until after the Saud play. Again, those who you are living with. The Real Problem in the ME.
 
Again Monte......what part can't you keep up with when the US is out of the Picture. Thats who you blame all on, and for everything going on in the ME. You can't even come up with any answers when it falls on those in the ME for WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

And why in the hell would we let some Internet DUDE in Saudi Arabia keep deflecting to his only talking point of blaming the US. Just so he can blame the US for everything. While crying about partisanship......yet can't figure out what Ideologies make up that partisanship.

Even when told the US is out of the Picture you still can't figure it out.

Oh and do try to be accurate as to the Saud creating the whole Assad Problem. You know.....those that you live around. The US couldn't have done anything, until after the Saud play. Again, those who you are living with. The Real Problem in the ME.

That makes no sense, whatsoever, incoherent rambling without a point. Care to distill that for clarity?
 
I don't know what the percent is. And I am certainly not speaking out in defense of Obama. But I just find it hilarious when conservatives defended Saudi Arabia during the Bush Era because they were our "ally" in the WoT, yet are guilty of some of the worst human rights abuses in the 21st century.
It woulg have been easy to attack Saudis for their human rights violations but in fact we may have needed them at the time and concentrated instead on the matter at hand. The US and it's Allies were in no position to attack Human Rights violators all over the world but it was understood that it would always be an ongoing battle, just as it is today and just as it ever was. Governments, usually because of diplomatic restraints and different immediate objectives cannot always publicly condemn those whose help we need over the short term. But private citizens like ourselves can certainly comment, and should.

Thus when we see Women, Gays, children and religious minorities being abused and murdered we should speak out, and we should call Islamic Terrorists what they are. The days of George Bush was from another era and a new, more dangerous, world has now emerged. Fighting last years battles may make you feel good but its value is nil.
 
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