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Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

Dragonfly said:
Saudi Arabia = USofA's largest Arab Ally

Ain't this just swell. :doh
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For a long time now. One more piece of evidence that US "interests" in the region have nothing to do with human rights.
 
shrubnose said:
I don't know if I'll live to see it but I do believe that in the future lots of Muslim countries will have more humane laws.
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Oh. No problem with that. Muslims are not stupid. They are just hung up in a type of time warp.
 
americanwoman said:
So if all Muslims should be judged based on a corrupt government maybe I should judge you based on Obama and you must be an apologist for him. Since you know the actions of the government must speak for all the people.

I mean do you actually even know any Saudi's or do you just speak for people and a culture you have no idea about? Because the ones I do sure as hell don't agree or support such extremism.
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It's not a corrupt government. It's a corrupt religion that runs their corrupt government. And it doesn't fit in Obama's "99 percent" theory of Islam.
 
brothern said:
Ok. Saudi Arabia is run by Wahhabists. The number of Muslims in the world totals 1.57 billion, and even if we assume liberals don't exist in Saudi Arabia, it's population is 29 million.

Or 29 million / 1.57 billion = 98%.

Regardless, this guy is most likely an atheist, who like most all atheist, probably thinks it's a great idea to secularize both the Christian and Islamic world.


ISIS doesn't operate in Saudi Arabia.
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Math wizard :lamo
 
Montecresto said:
For a long time now. One more piece of evidence that US "interests" in the region have nothing to do with human rights.
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well, I wouldn't say that.. but I would say that we do prioritize other interests over human rights when it comes to certain allied countries.
 
brothern said:
ISIS doesn't operate in Saudi Arabia.
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The point was, we're told that ISIS, al-Quaida, Boko Haram, etc, are these off-the-beaten-path extremists that have no actual connection or representative association with Islam at all. They are "violent extremists", not Islamic terrorists.

The truth is, this thinking is institutional among a eerily large segment of the Muslim population, and we'd better get our heads around that.
 
Erod said:
Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph



So tell me again, Mr. Obama and his fellow apologists, that 99 percent of Muslims are peace-loving people.

Tell me how ISIS is just poor, disenfranchised youth that have been lured by "violent extremists" who have hijacked this peaceful religion to carry out atrocities in the name of a religion that is otherwise pure and wholesome.
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I'm not going to claim to understand or condone governing by religious fiat, but if the law is the law and you break the law you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions. I said it about Brown in Ferguson and I said it about Garner in NYC and I've said it about those bleating about drug laws and penalties.

Lots of people in this world live differently than we do and I thank God every day that I was fortunate enough to be born and live in a great country like Canada. Who knows, perhaps for this man in Saudi Arabia, dying for what he believes in is better than living under rules he hates. I honour his choice, if that's what he chose to do.
 
Erod said:
For tearing a book and hitting it with a shoe?
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Sorry. I have answered that question a couple of times above and don't want to again. It's too difficult on a mobile. But let it surfice that you might want to think about culture bias, comparative values and industrial abortion as a Holocaust. ;)
 
joG said:
Sorry. I have answered that question a couple of times above and don't want to again. It's too difficult on a mobile. But let it surfice that you might want to think about culture bias, comparative values and industrial abortion as a Holocaust. ;)
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I'm just calling Islam what it isn't....a religion of peace.
 
Erod said:
Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph



So tell me again, Mr. Obama and his fellow apologists, that 99 percent of Muslims are peace-loving people.

Tell me how ISIS is just poor, disenfranchised youth that have been lured by "violent extremists" who have hijacked this peaceful religion to carry out atrocities in the name of a religion that is otherwise pure and wholesome.
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Republican Presidents have played footsie with the Saudis for generations. Don't lay this one on Obama.
 
Montecresto said:
And while your telling Obama, tell me why the BUSH family has had a cozy relationship with Saudi Arabia for decades, and why they continually overlooked Saudi Arabian support for terrorism, and oppression but made **** up about Saddam and launched an unnecessary war that has emboldened and encouraged terrorism and made the US less safe? And while your telling, tell me why you have continued to treat Saudi Arabia as an ally and have supported the MB and other terrorist organizations?
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Well maybe you can tell us why the Clintons had a cozy relationship and how they still take millions from the Saud overlooking the Saud's support for terrorism. Why Bill worked so allegedly hard to reduce those that were coming at us. But dropped the ball when actually confronted with Solving a problem.



Clinton also said he worked hard to try to kill Bin Laden.[55] Former international negotiator and current businessman, financier and media commentator Mansoor Ijaz claimed that from 1996–1998, he had opened up unofficial negotiations with Sudan to lift terrorism sanctions from that country in exchange for intelligence information about the terrorist groups Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Hamas. He claimed that Sudan was also prepared to offer custody of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, who had been living in the country and launching operations. According to Ijaz, neither Clinton nor National Security Advisor Sandy Berger responded to the situation.[56] Bin Laden later left Sudan and established his operations in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban and, with his network, planned out terrorist attacks against American interests worldwide, including attacks on American embassies in Tunisia and Sudan as well as the bombing of the USS Cole.....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Oh and then can you explain why Bill said this a about Saddam.

In Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, he warned Congress of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's possible pursuit of nuclear weapons:

Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq's arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.[27].....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


What happened Monte.....looks like this all comes down due to a problem that began before your usual......Buuuuuuuuuuuush Jr excuse?
 
Montecresto said:
The new guy did promise, and he hasn't delivered EITHER, did the criticism of Obama in my post, yeah, the one you quoted but half read confuse you. Where's the liberal.
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Well, didn't you say Bush made **** up about Saddam? Wonder where he got that from, huh?



On June 26, 1993, Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on the Iraqi Intelligence Service's (IIS) principal command and control complex in Baghdad, publicly announced as retaliation for the assassination attempt by the IIS on former President George H. W. Bush while he was visiting Kuwait in April of that year to commemorate a coalition victory over Iraq in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen cruise missiles were launched from the USS Peterson and nine were launched from the USS Chancellorsville. Sixteen of the missiles hit the target; three struck a residential area, killing nine civilians and wounding 12. Four of the missiles were unaccounted for.[20] This strike was in violation of international law, although that point is contentious.[21]


The UNSCOM team faced resistance from Iraq, which blocked inspections and hid deadly germ agents and warheads.[28] Clinton then threatened military action several times when Iraqi President Saddam Hussein attempted to stall the UNSCOM inspections.[29] To weaken Saddam Hussein's grip of power, Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998, which instituted a policy of "regime change" against Iraq, though it explicitly stated it did not speak to the use of American. military forces. On December 16–19, 1998, Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. This was in response to Saddam's refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections and announced its attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones over Iraq. For several years afterward, U.S. and Coalition aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were "provocations" by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on U.S. and Coalition aircraft.....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Utility Man said:
:roll:
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Clinton Foundation Defends Acceptance of Foreign Donations.
Charity has received funds from governments of U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Oman and Canada, among others.....


The Clinton Foundation on Wednesday defended its practice of accepting donations from overseas governments, amid concerns from some ethics experts that such contributions are inappropriate at a time when Hillary Clinton is preparing to run for president. A Wall Street Journal review of donations to the Clinton Foundation in 2014 showed the charity received money from the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Oman, among others. The donors included Canada’s foreign affairs department, which is promoting the Keystone XL pipeline.

Saudi Arabia, a previous donor, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation’s creation. An unspecified portion of the money came in 2014.....snip~ <<<<< Imagine that!

Clinton Foundation Defends Acceptance of Foreign Donations - WSJ

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Transparency.....Right? :roll:
 
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brothern said:
Ok. Saudi Arabia is run by Wahhabists. The number of Muslims in the world totals 1.57 billion, and even if we assume liberals don't exist in Saudi Arabia, it's population is 29 million.

Or 29 million / 1.57 billion = 98%.

Regardless, this guy is most likely an atheist, who like most all atheist, probably thinks it's a great idea to secularize both the Christian and Islamic world.


ISIS doesn't operate in Saudi Arabia.
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Then where do they get their massive amounts of money? Just askin'.
 
Wiggen said:
Republican Presidents have played footsie with the Saudis for generations. Don't lay this one on Obama.
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Good gosh. I'm not blaming Obama for the actions of the Saudis, but I'm calling him out for dismissing the Islamic jihad movement as a 1 percent fringe element of Islam. It's not.
 
iliveonramen said:
I think Liberals and Progressives are pretty clear about the separation between law/government and religion.
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...while preaching how we should all tolerate nutcase religions.
 
Erod said:
Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph



So tell me again, Mr. Obama and his fellow apologists, that 99 percent of Muslims are peace-loving people.

Tell me how ISIS is just poor, disenfranchised youth that have been lured by "violent extremists" who have hijacked this peaceful religion to carry out atrocities in the name of a religion that is otherwise pure and wholesome.
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only obama is responsible for this alliance with saudis ?

the other presidents arent ? for instance junior bush ?:roll: ( I assume you criticize usa saudi alliance if you have a heart
 
Medusa said:
only obama is responsible for this alliance with saudis ?

the other presidents arent ? for instance junior bush ?:roll: ( I assume you criticize usa saudi alliance if you have a heart
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I wasn't assigning blame to Obama for this Saudi execution. Just challenging his constant insistence that Islam is a peace-loving religion.
 
Erod said:
I wasn't assigning blame to Obama for this Saudi execution. Just challenging his constant insistence that Islam is a peace-loving religion.
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he also thinks saudi arabia is a peace loving country .think this way
 
Wiggen said:
Republican Presidents have played footsie with the Saudis for generations. Don't lay this one on Obama.
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hmm.I dont always agree with you but when I do I REALLY AGREE :2razz::lol:
 
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