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CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218, 239]

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JasperL said:
Right, but the "we should stay out of elections" advice is meant to apply to sitting U.S. elected or appointed officials - representatives of the U.S. government - not private campaign consultants, lobbyists, op-ed writers, etc. Apples and giraffes...
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Obama Campaign Team Arrives in Israel to Defeat Netanyahu in March Elections - Breitbart
You tell me. Who sent these people? Yea, our sitting president.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
lol! The US Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. I know you hate it, except “when expedient”, as all leftists hate the Constitution, because it’s so difficult to amend. That doesn’t mean we ignore it and accept status quo as the supreme law of the land. How foolish your line of logic is.
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And where have you been as the constitution has been used by the left and the right all these years for everything but a supreme land law, hmm? And are you suggesting only the left has had ambitions to amend the constitution? Do you suppose the 22nd amendment was inspired by the democrats.
 
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JasperL said:
Splitting hairs. From the Speaker's own timeline:



So after weeks of negotiation between the Speaker and Israel, after all the details had been worked out and agreed to by the PM, but at least 1 minute before the official invitation was issued, then accepted, the WH was made aware of this already done deal.....

Boehner, and Dermer, and Netanyahu all knew exactly what they were doing - which was an intentional snub of the WH. The parties should at least be man enough to admit what's obvious to everyone.
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Microscopically splitting hairs no less. That's typical party power projection.
 
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jmotivator said:
Of course, that is before the article goes on to point out that that narrative pushed by the White House isn't actually true.
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Lol, so the Washington Post is calling the New York Times liars, ha ha, stop wasting my time.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
That was before Netty spanked Obama over the 1967 borders issue.

It's an ego thing
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Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

1. Is Congress required to clear through the White House any invitations they wish to issue?

2. When the White wishes to issue invitations, is it required to get Congress's okay to do so?

The reason I ask is because I was taught that each is equal in authority to the others - ie, none of them report to each other, and if the House wants to ask Ronald McDonald or Lady GaGa to speak, they are legally permitted to do so, without getting permission from anyone. Am I incorrect?
 
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JasperL said:
Splitting hairs. From the Speaker's own timeline:



So after weeks of negotiation between the Speaker and Israel, after all the details had been worked out and agreed to by the PM, but at least 1 minute before the official invitation was issued, then accepted, the WH was made aware of this already done deal.....

Boehner, and Dermer, and Netanyahu all knew exactly what they were doing - which was an intentional snub of the WH. The parties should at least be man enough to admit what's obvious to everyone.
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It isn't splitting hairs, and it wasn't a minute. How long do you think the administration needs to say yes or no? How incompetent do you allow them to be? The weight of your accusation depends on the time between invitation and acceptance being very short... would 5 hours be long enough? 12? 23 hours and 59 minutes? You have inserted an assumption into your narrative and tried to pass it off as worthy of consideration.

Dremer contacted the White House upon Boehner's official invitation and was not told no by the White House. After getting no objection Dremer accepted the invitation.

This is, once again, a screw up by the White House that the lick boots have spun up into a major breach of protocol.

Where were the screams of the left for breach of protocol when a Democrat delegation, led by Nancy Pelosi, travelled to Syria to meet with Assad in 2007 against the wishes of the White House?
 
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JasperL said:
Give me a break. They're campaign consultants - that's their job. There are also lots of GOP consultants in Israel working for Netanyahu.
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There are, post that.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Right


A book by a nobody..

People believe what they want to believe

and an ad for a book of questionable pedigree is the furthest thing from proof imaginable.


Now I know not to believe you
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What you believe doesn't interest me. Other people on this thread can easily research the subject for themselves.
 
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jmotivator said:
It isn't splitting hairs, and it wasn't a minute. How long do you think the administration needs to say yes or no? How incompetent do you allow them to be? The weight of your accusation depends on the time between invitation and acceptance being very short... would 5 hours be long enough? 12? 23 hours and 59 minutes? You have inserted an assumption into your narrative and tried to pass it off as worthy of consideration.
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Come on - the parties knew what they were doing, which was intentionally snubbing the WH. You know it, they know it, the world knows it. It's insulting that people are asking adults to pretend anything else.

Here's the advance notice. Boehner: "I gave 'em a heads up that morning"

BTW, if Pelosi had invited Assad to address Congress without notifying the WH, and in spite of WH objections, you'd have a point. Otherwise, it's a pretty lame red herring.
 
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JasperL said:
Come on - the parties knew what they were doing, which was intentionally snubbing the WH. You know it, they know it, the world knows it. It's insulting that people are asking adults to pretend anything else.
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You keep saying this but you have no actual proof other than, in summation "You know those Republicans and Islraelis and how they do business..."

Here's the advance notice. Boehner: "I gave 'em a heads up that morning"
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AND Dremer called the White House to see if there were any objections. He received none. You conveniently miss this crucial step in the process.

BTW, if Pelosi had invited Assad to address Congress without notifying the WH, and in spite of WH objections, you'd have a point. Otherwise, it's a pretty lame red herring.
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You keep pushing the phony narrative, I see. Boehner contacted the white house to let them know and Dremer called the White House to make sure it was OK. The White House had to opportunity to air grievances and didn't.

So you think it's OK for Pelosi to go to Syria and negotiate on behalf of the US and Israel without the blessing of either country? Why am I not surprised by this?
 
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JasperL said:
There are also lots of GOP consultants in Israel working for Netanyahu.
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[citation needed]
 
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jmotivator said:


You keep saying this but you have no actual proof other than, in summation "You know those Republicans and Islraelis and how they do business..."
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Will a quote from the Weekly Standard on the morning of the invitation suffice?

Boehner Jabs Obama By Inviting Bibi to Address Joint Session of Congress | The Weekly Standard

Let's bold the headline, shall we?

Boehner Jabs Obama By Inviting Bibi to Address Joint Session of Congress


And the statement Boehner released ahead of time:

“You may have seen that on Friday, the president warned us not to move ahead with sanctions on Iran, a state sponsor of terror. His exact message to us was: 'Hold your fire.' He expects us to stand idly by and do nothing while he cuts a bad deal with Iran. Two words: 'Hell no!' … we’re going to do no such thing," Boehner's expected to tell his fellow Republicans.

“So today I will announce that I am inviting the Prime Minister of Israel, a great friend of this country, to address a joint meeting of Congress next month. And I am specifically asking him to address Congress on the threats posed by radical Islam and Iran. America and Israel have always stood together in shared cause and common ideals, and now we must rise to the moment again. Let’s send a clear message to the White House – and the world – about our commitment to Israel and our allies.”
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BTW, check the time stamp on that story - 9:30am..... day of official invite. The WH was given the "heads up" that morning.... No snub intended - they must've had 10 minutes advance notice before Weekly Standard was given the go ahead for the story.

You're asking me to believe that pee on my legs is rain. Pretty funny.
 
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JasperL said:
Will a quote from the Weekly Standard on the morning of the invitation suffice?

Boehner Jabs Obama By Inviting Bibi to Address Joint Session of Congress | The Weekly Standard

Let's bold the headline, shall we?

Boehner Jabs Obama By Inviting Bibi to Address Joint Session of Congress
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Nope.

And the statement Boehner released ahead of time:
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Where is this draft speech? Can you find any other source reporting this? It appears there is something missing between the two statements. I'd like to actually see the complete speech for context of the two statements.

BTW, check the time stamp on that story - 9:30am..... day of official invite. The WH was given the "heads up" that morning.... No snub intended - they must've had 10 minutes advance notice before Weekly Standard was given the go ahead for the story.

You're asking me to believe that pee on my legs is rain. Pretty funny.
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You seem to be half-assing your way to you points here.

Boehner issued the invitation on the morning of January 21st, Dremer contacted the White House to see if there were any objections. Having received no objections Dremer accepted the invitation.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

1. Is Congress required to clear through the White House any invitations they wish to issue?

2. When the White wishes to issue invitations, is it required to get Congress's okay to do so?

The reason I ask is because I was taught that each is equal in authority to the others - ie, none of them report to each other, and if the House wants to ask Ronald McDonald or Lady GaGa to speak, they are legally permitted to do so, without getting permission from anyone. Am I incorrect?
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I would assume that to be true. But then the constitution was written by men who believed in Democracy, whereas Obama seems to think he is above congress.
 
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jmotivator said:
Nope.
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Okee dokee. Weekly Standard got it all wrong.... I see.

Where is this draft speech? Can you find any other source reporting this? It appears there is something missing between the two statements. I'd like to actually see the complete speech for context of the two statements.
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You don't trust Weekly Standard? If you think Daniel Harper made up talking points he said were supplied to him by Boehner, and put quotes around them, that's a pretty serious allegation.

You seem to be half-assing your way to you points here.
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I'm going to quit after this post. It's obvious to everyone that at least Boehner was intentionally snubbing Obama, and was proud of that - it was red meat to his base, they love that crap. If you want to say the Ambassador and the PM were innocent victims, fine. I don't believe for one moment Boehner sprung this on them by surprise because I don't believe the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. is stupid or incompetent and didn't at some point say, "Hey John, talked to the WH yet? No? Hey man, that's gotta happen like yesterday - get it done or I will" etc.

Boehner issued the invitation on the morning of January 21st, Dremer contacted the White House to see if there were any objections. Having received no objections Dremer accepted the invitation.
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Please, I'm not THAT gullible. Once the official invitation was issued, with almost no advance notice, Obama's hands were tied. If he objected, Obama gets criticized for that because at that point he's UNinviting Netanyahu. I could write the headlines. And Obama has no authority to prevent the speech anyway. The deal was done with the public invitation and everyone knew it.
 
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jmotivator said:
Ah, so you are conflating an Israeli politician employing a US citizen with an action group funded by US money? Gotcha.
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If you're interested in stories about republicans and democratic consultants working in Israel, your Google works as well as mine. Here's another easy find:

American advisers, money shape Israel's election

Surely you're not suggesting that conservatives U.S. Jews are sitting this election out, are you? Sheldon Adelson is sitting on his hands? Give me a break, you're trying hard to deny the obvious in this thread. It's not like you.
 
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Montecresto said:
From your link.

Even friends of Israel, like the Post’s Richard Cohen, were appalled. Cohen excoriated Netanyahu for accepting the Boehner’s invitation “without informing the White House,” a sign of Netanyahu’s “impetuousness and contempt” for President Obama.
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Yeah, so? Like this administration has treated Netanyahu with any respect. But, they didn't like Netanyahu accepting the invite so, they and you claim Boehner of a constitutional breech? That's flat out dishonest.
 
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j-mac said:
Yeah, so? Like this administration has treated Netanyahu with any respect. But, they didn't like Netanyahu accepting the invite so, they and you claim Boehner of a constitutional breech? That's flat out dishonest.
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I won't disagree with you that this White House has been uncooperative with Israel, (well, that's my words not yours) but I'm delighted, and Obama hasn't been strict enough with those rat bastards. I hope our next democratic president cuts off the check, do you hear that?
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
I suggest you re-READ that.

they added MORE AA samples afterwards, so they could later seek trends in racial groups. It has nothing to do with the initial sample of 1027.

This should be obvious to you. 733+309=1042, not 1027.
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Thank you for the math, so a grand total of 1042. This was a national poll and I find it very hard to believe that 1042 people is considered 'large majority of Americans' as your article stated.

C'mon anyone who believes that 1042 a large majority of Americans, please contact me I have a bridge and a big white house for sale.
 
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Montecresto said:
And where have you been as the constitution has been used by the left and the right all these years for everything but a supreme land law, hmm?
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I’ve been voting for those who work to protect the Constitution and against those who think it’s outdated and should be ignored or interpreted as a “living (ever changing) document”. I’d ask where you’ve been but I already know your one of those who works to subvert and weaken the Constitution. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are clearly written into the Constitution but the left continuously infringes upon and seeks to abolish obvious Constitutional rights such as these while demanding that tax payer funded health care, abortions, gay marriage and countless other issues that couldn’t possibly have been imagined nearly 250 years ago, are clearly written into the Constitution and are among the most sacred of Constitutional rights.

Montecresto said:
And are you suggesting only the left has had ambitions to amend the constitution?
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Quite to the contrary. The left has no desire to amend the Constitution. On the other hand, thanks to great conservative gains throughout the states, there may be an Article V Constitutional Amendment coming soon that would require Congress to balance the budget every year. What a disaster that would be for the left if we actually had to balance the budget every year.

Montecresto said:
Do you suppose the 22nd amendment was inspired by the democrats.
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lol. You’re funny but interesting. I guess you could say it was “inspired” by “a” Democrat named Franklin D. Roosevelt but we both know it was proposed by Republicans and approved by a Republican controlled congress before it was ratified by the states 4 years later. Are you feeling me up with this question or setting a diabolical trap for me?

Now that I’ve entertained you by answering your questions, care to comment on my responses to the topic of this thread or are you just attempting to hijack it and waste my time with open ended, off topic side rifts that will take pages of posts before we end in disagreement?
 
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Montecresto said:
I won't disagree with you that this White House has been uncooperative with Israel, (well, that's my words not yours) but I'm delighted, and Obama hasn't been strict enough with those rat bastards. I hope our next democratic president cuts off the check, do you hear that?
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Muslims slaughtering and raping across the Middle east and it's the Jews who get called "rat bastards". No shame here at all.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
I’ve been voting for those who work to protect the Constitution and against those who think it’s outdated and should be ignored or interpreted as a “living (ever changing) document”. I’d ask where you’ve been but I already know your one of those who works to subvert and weaken the Constitution. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are clearly written into the Constitution but the left continuously infringes upon and seeks to abolish obvious Constitutional rights such as these while demanding that tax payer funded health care, abortions, gay marriage and countless other issues that couldn’t possibly have been imagined nearly 250 years ago, are clearly written into the Constitution and are among the most sacred of Constitutional rights.

Quite to the contrary. The left has no desire to amend the Constitution. On the other hand, thanks to great conservative gains throughout the states, there may be an Article V Constitutional Amendment coming soon that would require Congress to balance the budget every year. What a disaster that would be for the left if we actually had to balance the budget every year.

lol. You’re funny but interesting. I guess you could say it was “inspired” by “a” Democrat named Franklin D. Roosevelt but we both know it was proposed by Republicans and approved by a Republican controlled congress before it was ratified by the states 4 years later. Are you feeling me up with this question or setting a diabolical trap for me?

Now that I’ve entertained you by answering your questions, care to comment on my responses to the topic of this thread or are you just attempting to hijack it and waste my time with open ended, off topic side rifts that will take pages of posts before we end in disagreement?
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No need. We can end in disagreement now.
 
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