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DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

Frankly, I don't like how the CNN articled linked in the OP tries to link "right-wing extremist youth groups" with "radical Muslim extremist/radical Islam". I don't think a bunch of angry right-wing political activist are as dangerous a threat as some radical Islamist who happens to sneak across either our southern or norther border and blends in with some sleeper cell who then goes on to commit mayhem.

I can deal with a bunch of punk kids throwing yelling, screaming at cops and throwing rocks, flipping cars and setting fire to a few buildings. It's much more difficult to accept the damage caused by some terrorist who put on a bomb vest and walked into a crowed and blew himself up only to discover you couldn't adequately track him down because the information wasn't distributed fast enough because DHS - the federal agency created just for such a purpose - was purposely defunded soley for ideological reasons OR strictly for taking a stance on principle.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
No, I would say our government is full of fear mongering elitist ruling class jackasses trying to scare more sheep into giving up thier rights for "safety".



Same with this "isis threats" to "attack us soil". it's a bunch of malarky at this time.

Common sense indicates ISIS wants to amass power and land first, set up the caliphate before even considering to attack us on our soil. To do so would be thier end, and they know it.
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So, let's get this straight, Rev...

The Republican Party creates the Dept. of Homeland Security (so we're told) as the result of "actionable intelligence" that fell through the cracks by the FBI as per the 9/11 Commission Report (and other reports that came out from the media on this storyline before the Commission was held), Republican Congressmen go on and on about reports they've heard or read about Muslim terrorist attempting to sneak across the US/Mexico border, and now we have Republicans attempting to defund DHS strickty because they fear amnesty per the President's EO on immigration, and you don't see the possibility of terrorist coming across our borders nor a copy-cat ISIL sleeper cells awakening in the US similar to such as what took place on 9/11? :doh

It's not a matter of border security being relaxed, not really. It's about losing the ability to rapidly filter information from a single source (DHS) in a coordinated effort down from the federal level to the state, county and local law enforcement levels.
 
Blue_State said:
I believe we have already had a service member become a domestic terrorist. He was located at Ft. Hood.
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Nidal Malik Hasan was also a muslim.


are either of these two facts enough to say that veterans and muslim americans are susceptible to becoming domestic terrorists?
 
Objective Voice said:
So, let's get this straight, Rev...

The Republican Party creates the Dept. of Homeland Security (so we're told) as the result of "actionable intelligence" that fell through the cracks by the FBI as per the 9/11 Commission Report (and other reports that came out from the media on this storyline before the Commission was held), Republican Congressmen go on and on about reports they've heard or read about Muslim terrorist attempting to sneak across the US/Mexico border, and now we have Republicans attempting to defund DHS strickty because they fear amnesty per the President's EO on immigration, and you don't see the possibility of terrorist coming across our borders nor a copy-cat ISIL sleeper cells awakening in the US similar to such as what took place on 9/11? :doh

It's not a matter of border security being relaxed, not really. It's about losing the ability to rapidly filter information from a single source (DHS) in a coordinated effort down from the federal level to the state, county and local law enforcement levels.
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the Department of homeland security is innefficent, domestically unconstitutional and should be shut down.


This is the same government that wanted you to believe benghazi was over a video tape to the point of arresting the dude who made it.


You are more likely to be struck by lightning while holding a winning powerball lottery ticket than you are being a victim of terrorism.


Of course there is a possibility, anything is possible, but we are lead on a campaign of fear mongering to inflate the power of the government over us citizens.

If they were SERIOUS about preventing terrorism in the US, they would deploy troops at the border, build a wall, and profile muslims coming into this country.

But we don't we have a sieve in the southwest but I'm supposed to believe tapping my phone is what will prevent a terrorist attack?


please, common sense man.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Nidal Malik Hasan was also a muslim.


are either of these two facts enough to say that veterans and muslim americans are susceptible to becoming domestic terrorists?
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Those two facts...no.

The potential is there though. I am sure there are many factors to turn a person from a citizen to a domestic terrorist. Unfortunately, I only have my own intuition on determining those factors as I have no training in psychology.
 
Objective Voice said:
So, let's get this straight, Rev...

The Republican Party creates the Dept. of Homeland Security (so we're told) as the result of "actionable intelligence" that fell through the cracks by the FBI as per the 9/11 Commission Report (and other reports that came out from the media on this storyline before the Commission was held), Republican Congressmen go on and on about reports they've heard or read about Muslim terrorist attempting to sneak across the US/Mexico border, and now we have Republicans attempting to defund DHS strickty because they fear amnesty per the President's EO on immigration, and you don't see the possibility of terrorist coming across our borders nor a copy-cat ISIL sleeper cells awakening in the US similar to such as what took place on 9/11? :doh

It's not a matter of border security being relaxed, not really. It's about losing the ability to rapidly filter information from a single source (DHS) in a coordinated effort down from the federal level to the state, county and local law enforcement levels.
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Our borders have NEVER been secure, and as long as Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were in power/control, there was no threat of the Islamic State. And FBI didn't just let things fall through the cracks, very useful intelligence was dismissed as unimportant. Incompetence is only the least legitimate criticism.
 
Blue_State said:
Those two facts...no.

The potential is there though. I am sure there are many factors to turn a person from a citizen to a domestic terrorist. Unfortunately, I only have my own intuition on determining those factors as I have no training in psychology.
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We've had more "terrorism" from trustifarian left wingers in black blok "anarchists" in silly anonymous masks than we have had from veterans.


The "potential" is in everyone. DO we say "we should watch out for blacks, because black people commit crimes"? how is this different?
 
Blue_State said:
Then why would you bring up ISIL? What do they have to do with "sovereign citizen nut jobs"?

I will take a people fighting for individual freedom any day over Progressive Fascism.
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I am not the one who brought up ISIL. You did in post #16
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
We've had more "terrorism" from trustifarian left wingers in black blok "anarchists" in silly anonymous masks than we have had from veterans.


The "potential" is in everyone. DO we say "we should watch out for blacks, because black people commit crimes"? how is this different?
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I think I see the point you are going with now. I will admit it has been flying over my head for our entire conversation.

You are absolutely correct. We should not be targeting specific groups. I accept that is what DHS does, and like you (I believe) I don't think DHS should exists.

With that said, I am more appalled that DHS would put out a list that points to the right (the people who could end up cutting their funding) and making them a target. Especially when there are greater threats from outside the US. It is the exact problem with our huge Federal system which has turned itself on its citizens.
 
Blue_State said:
I think I see the point you are going with now. I will admit it has been flying over my head for our entire conversation.

You are absolutely correct. We should not be targeting specific groups. I accept that is what DHS does, and like you (I believe) I don't think DHS should exists.

With that said, I am more appalled that DHS would put out a list that points to the right (the people who could end up cutting their funding) and making them a target. Especially when there are greater threats from outside the US. It is the exact problem with our huge Federal system which has turned itself on its citizens.
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agreed, but it is suspect that once again, in a time of occupy movements, and police protests (some which I support), and the violence, looting, and "terrorism" (quotes as it's not terrorism, but whatever), the obama administration's DHS is singling out the right.


It's regrettable politics
 
Declan said:
I am not the one who brought up ISIL. You did in post #16
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You are making a connection from ISIS to Right Wing Religious Fundamentalists to Sovereign Citizen Nut Jobs. I didn't make that connection. I am making a distinction that they are in fact not the same.
 
Blue_State said:
You are making a connection from ISIS to Right Wing Religious Fundamentalists to Sovereign Citizen Nut Jobs. I didn't make that connection. I am making a distinction that they are in fact not the same.
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I was responding to your post in which you raised ISIL, not me. You are the one that thinks there is a difference between them and the right wing extremist. There is not. Muslim extremists are right wing fundamentalists. Even if that were not the case, all groups which wish to undermine the government with violence should be stopped. That is the government's job. It matters not whether they do it in the name of Allah, an oak tree, white pride, Baby Jesus, saving the planet, protecting their absurd notion of rights, or any other nonsensical reason they can come up with.
 
Declan said:
I was responding to your post in which you raised ISIL, not me. You are the one that thinks there is a difference between them and the right wing extremist. There is not. Muslim extremists are right wing fundamentalists. Even if that were not the case, all groups which wish to undermine the government with violence should be stopped. That is the government's job. It matters not whether they do it in the name of Allah, an oak tree, white pride, Baby Jesus, saving the planet, protecting their absurd notion of rights, or any other nonsensical reason they can come up with.
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You do know most "white power" groups today tend to have racial socialism, environmentalism, and other left wing ideologies as part of thier makeup. Many of them have been known to vote nader. true story.





Comparing islamic "right wing" to american "right wing" is dishonest at best.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You do know most "white power" groups today tend to have racial socialism, environmentalism, and other left wing ideologies as part of thier makeup. Many of them have been known to vote nader. true story.
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The Green Party platform would be the natural place for nihilists/anarchists to hang their hats as it is the coercive version of libertarianism, though one would see more of that in Europe than the US.

Comparing islamic "right wing" to american "right wing" is dishonest at best.
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No it is not. That you do not like the reality that fundamentalism is fundamentalism doesn't change what it is.
 
Probably true, after obama gives ISIS government jobs, phones, obamacare, assistance and full citizenship and voting rights, ISIS will be happy-go-lucky in black pajamas.
 
Chainsaw said:
Probably true, after obama gives ISIS government jobs, phones, obamacare, assistance and full citizenship and voting rights, ISIS will be happy-go-lucky in black pajamas.
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And I suppose running around chopping people's heads off, and burning others alive would be preferred to you.
 
Montecresto said:
And I suppose running around chopping people's heads off, and burning others alive would be preferred to you.
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This comes out every 4 years - coincidentally, when Liberals need a little help in the polls. Last time was in 2009 leading up to the 2010 mid-terms. This time, 2014 leading up to the 2015 Presidential election. Notice that CNN didn't provide a link to this "report". Hmpf.
 
Montecresto said:
And I suppose running around chopping people's heads off, and burning others alive would be preferred to you.
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One who thinks muslim religious fanatics will change their mission and beliefs if they are given a job and phone, proves the psychotic delusions of the thinker.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
the Department of homeland security is innefficent, domestically unconstitutional and should be shut down.


This is the same government that wanted you to believe benghazi was over a video tape to the point of arresting the dude who made it.


You are more likely to be struck by lightning while holding a winning powerball lottery ticket than you are being a victim of terrorism.


Of course there is a possibility, anything is possible, but we are lead on a campaign of fear mongering to inflate the power of the government over us citizens.

If they were SERIOUS about preventing terrorism in the US, they would deploy troops at the border, build a wall, and profile muslims coming into this country.

But we don't we have a sieve in the southwest but I'm supposed to believe tapping my phone is what will prevent a terrorist attack?


please, common sense man.
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I like how you just glossed over the true focal point of my post and turned it into a strict "border security" argument instead of the "actionable intelligence" argue it was meant to be. So, let me try to refocus your attention...

Objective Voice said:
It's not a matter of border security being relaxed, not really. It's about losing the ability to rapidly filter information from a single source (DHS) in a coordinated effort down from the federal level to the state, county and local law enforcement levels.
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Can you speak to that instead of attempting to go off unto other tangents?
 
Chainsaw said:
One who thinks muslim religious fanatics will change their mission and beliefs if they are given a job and phone, proves the psychotic delusions of the thinker.
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Come on man, it was to be funny. You should already know what I think about the Islamic State problem.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Bull**** fear mongering so the government claims they have a need to suppress rights of the people.



I would argue you are at a greater threat of attack from the DHS, than "domestic right wingers".
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Precisely. At least I'm not the only one who can see beyond the used-up tired worn out tell-tale tactics of the american intelligence trying to further the agenda of enslavement. If there is another "terrorist" attack, I think I'll puke. Every minute of every day, more americsns wake up and realize who is really behind 90% of it all, and now we're the terrorists because we're not fooled anymore, yet they are funded by us. We fund them to be hostile towards us - doesn't really make much sense to me. They used our money to buy billions of rounds of ammo that they apparently plan to use domestically for "civil unrest" (translation: to shoot us). Think about it, then feel stupid for a moment.
 
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Declan said:
The Green Party platform would be the natural place for nihilists/anarchists to hang their hats as it is the coercive version of libertarianism, though one would see more of that in Europe than the US.
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I'm talking about white power, neo-nazi types, and how they are generally far more to the left then you care to admit.



No it is not. That you do not like the reality that fundamentalism is fundamentalism doesn't change what it is.
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This is stupid, partisan anti-intellectual drivel. This would be akin to labeling "liberals" akin to communists and former nations like the USSSR. It's a smear tactic that does nothing to promote civil discussion.


If we took the liberal (so called "progressive") to thier extemist limits, you would simply accept it?


ok mr Lenin, Tell me some more commrade how liberalism isn't as extreme taken in your context.


And no, I'm far to a social libertarian to be right wing, though as oft the intolerant left is, if I don't believe in dependent class politics, I must be a conservative.


It's an intellectually wanting position you have.
 
Objective Voice said:
I like how you just glossed over the true focal point of my post and turned it into a strict "border security" argument instead of the "actionable intelligence" argue it was meant to be. So, let me try to refocus your attention...



Can you speak to that instead of attempting to go off unto other tangents?
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About what, that we "needed" another agency to get all the other agencies to talk to each other?


simple answer to that,...... bull****.
 
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