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U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Well, I can at least say I have been there before and in the thick of it. With an enemy that I think would kick the **** out of any Arab Terrorist Organizations. But then I know what the NVA are capable of.

But you weren't a military strategist.
 
One more time! They are JV when they go up against actual well trained soldiers! It doesn't take much to annilhate unarmed civilians and cowardly Iraqis!
the Iraqis were well armed/trained, they had advantages of armored columns , and still fled.
ISIL isn't "JV" for the Mideast. It's not as capable as some of the states, but we've seen what jihad can do to motivate
 
Yeah now you are Sick and tired of US Special Forces and what they say.....isn't that surprising. :lol:

More things with no verification again?
You speak for the Special Forces now do you?
 
That's not what our people are saying. Were some of our Spec Ops lying?




With the Obama White House left reeling from the "savage" slaughter of an American journalist held hostage by ISIS terrorists, military options are being considered against an adversary who officials say is growing in strength and is much more capable than the one faced when the group was called "al Qaeda-Iraq" during the U.S. war from 2003-2011. ISIS appeared to have a sophisticated and well thought-out plan for establishing its "Islamic Caliphate" from northern Syria across the western and northern deserts of Iraq, many experts and officials have said, and support from hostage-taking, robbery and sympathetic donations to fund it. They use drones to gather overhead intel on targets and effectively commandeer captured military vehicles – including American Humvees -- and munitions.

"They tried to push out as far as they thought they could and were fully prepared to pull back a little bit when we beat them back with airstrikes around Erbil. And they were fine with that, and ready to hold all of the ground they have now," a second official told ABC News. U.S. special operations forces under the Joint Special Operations Command and U.S. Special Operations Command keep close tabs on the military evolution of ISIS and both its combat and terrorism -- called "asymmetric" -- capabilities, officials told ABC News. A primary reason is in anticipation of possibly fighting them, which a full squadron of special mission unit operators did in the Independence Day raid on an ISIS camp in Raqqah, Syria. "They're incredible fighters. ISIS teams in many places use special operations TTPs," said the second official, who has considerable combat experience, using the military term for "tactics, techniques and procedures."....snip~

ISIS an 'Incredible' Fighting Force, US Special Ops Sources Say

It was no doubt intended to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies, but the Islamic State's latest video appears far more playground than battleground.
ISIS today released footage from its training camps, showing recruits disguised as bushes and performing clumsy roly-polies in scenes that could come straight from hit satirical film Four Lions.
The video bears all the hallmarks of the slickly edited propaganda material regularly pumped out by the terror group's media arm to dramatic effect.
From this evidence, however, their next generation of 'special forces' are far from being a well-oiled machine.


Read more: ISIS 'special forces' video reveals ludicrous training | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Obama warns not to over exaggerate the Islamic State threat.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/01/obama-warns-against-exaggerating-the-islamic-state-threat/
 
Who else can order the military to do something that is counter to their best interests? Counter to operational success?
Not too many people in the administration can do that.

Not many EB, :2wave: especially when one has a Vice Joint Chief of Staff saying our policies have been a failure.



The former vice chief of staff of the Army warned the Senate Armed Services Committee today that al-Qaeda has “grown fourfold in the last five years.” “AQ and its affiliates exceeds Iran in beginning to dominate multiple countries,” retired four-star Gen. Jack Keane testified. Using a term that the Obama administration now eschews, Keane called radical Islam “the major security challenge of our generation…”The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS, is an outgrowth from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was defeated in Iraq by 2009.”

After U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq in 2011, ISIS reemerged as a terrorist organization in Iraq, moved into Syria in 2012, and began seizing towns and villages from the Syria-Iraq border all the way to the western Syria from Aleppo to Damascus,” he reminded the committee. That leads to an “unmistakable” conclusion that “our policies have failed,” Keane added.....snip~

General Tells Senators al-Qaeda Has ‘Grown Fourfold in Last Five Years’ | PJ Tatler
 
The level of stupidity in the government gets more astounding literally, by the day.

You don't give the enemy advanced notice of when you plan to attack!

This is all about Obama to give himself cover to make the people believe he is actually going to do something other than drop a few grenades from a few planes that is not working. You know "I have a plan"
 
More things with no verification again?
You speak for the Special Forces now do you?

So are you saying ABC Didn't interview any officials now? Or do you just keep making **** up on the fly.
 
Yemen.....Failure.

Afghanistan - Failure.
Libya - Failure.
Syria - Failure.
Russia - Failure
Egypt - Failure
Iraq - Failure.

Going thru 3 Defense Secretaries, not listening to his Joint Chiefs, not listening to allies, says it all. Even those lefty MSDNC commentators are calling it like it is.






Both commentators also found Obama to be disconnected from the real world. Listen to Andrea Mitchell once again:

“I think that on foreign policy, his projection of success against terrorism and against ISIS, in particular, as I said, is not close to reality. They have not come up with a strategy, and they’ve built a global coalition, but again, he’s talked about Ukraine, he’s talked about Putin being isolated…but at the same time there’s renewed fighting in Donetsk, and we haven’t figured out Ukraine, we haven’t figured out how the NATO alliance can push back….So you’re right, Chris, it doesn’t match the reality.”.....snip~

Obama SOTU Speech Full Of Lies; Even Liberal Commentators Crying Foul - Downtrend


:lamo

Gosh according to you our military and its planners aren't worth a damn and we should all just volunteer to be beheaded.

Afghanistan is not a loss and still in progress. We didn't even come close to what the former Soviet Union experienced.

Since when did we fight in Egypt? Why should we send in troops to bumb**** Eqypt? The present government doesn't even like us.

Libya was a success militarily. What did you want an invasion?

Since when did we go to war with Russia and lose? Should we be involved in Ukraine where are lot of the population is loyal to Russia?

Did you really wany us to put boots on the ground in Syria? Why should we?

And Iraq is a mess handed over by Bush to Obama with the same withdrawal time line. And it's not a loss. It's on reset.
 
It was no doubt intended to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies, but the Islamic State's latest video appears far more playground than battleground.
ISIS today released footage from its training camps, showing recruits disguised as bushes and performing clumsy roly-polies in scenes that could come straight from hit satirical film Four Lions.
The video bears all the hallmarks of the slickly edited propaganda material regularly pumped out by the terror group's media arm to dramatic effect.
From this evidence, however, their next generation of 'special forces' are far from being a well-oiled machine.


Read more: ISIS 'special forces' video reveals ludicrous training | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Obama warns not to over exaggerate the Islamic State threat.

Obama Warns Against Exaggerating the Islamic State Threat | Foreign Policy



Heya Monte.....have you been keeping up on what ISIS has been doing in Libya this past week? I hit up a couple of the threads in The Africa forum with what they got going. While most are focused over here with this issue over Iraq.
 
Gosh according to you our military and its planners aren't worth a damn and we should all just volunteer to be beheaded.

Afghanistan is not a loss and still in progress. We didn't even come close to what the former Soviet Union experienced.

Since when did we fight in Egypt? Why should we send in troops to bumb**** Eqypt? The present government doesn't even like us.

Libya was a success militarily. What did you want an invasion?

Since when did we go to war with Russia and lose? Should we be involved in Ukraine where are lot of the population is loyal to Russia?

Did you really wany us to put boots on the ground in Syria? Why should we?

And Iraq is a mess handed over by Bush to Obama with the same withdrawal time line. And it's not a loss. It's on reset.



Yeah I got my take from some of BOs Team. Then the Lefts Best of MSDNC, Go figure. :roll: but really, it is better to use what YOUR MAN and his Team puts out themselves. It surely has you now questioning.....doesn't it.

As should be, when one talks out both sides of their mouth.
 
This is all about Obama to give himself cover to make the people believe he is actually going to do something other than drop a few grenades from a few planes that is not working. You know "I have a plan"
Well hold on now.
Don't be so hasty.
Looks like the Admin. may be laying the groundwork for an assault ... right here in the USA.
A new intelligence assessment, circulated by the Department of Homeland Security this month and reviewed by CNN, focuses on the domestic terror threat from right-wing sovereign citizen extremists and comes as the Obama administration holds a White House conference to focus efforts to fight violent extremism.
DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat - CNN.com
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Heya Monte.....have you been keeping up on what ISIS has been doing in Libya this past week? I hit up a couple of the threads in The Africa forum with what they got going. While most are focused over here with this issue over Iraq.
we got ourselves "ISIL Affiliates" (Libya) just like AQ Affiliates.
 
we got ourselves "ISIL Affiliates" (Libya) just like AQ Affiliates.

Mornin AT.
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Well except that we now know of the their link to the Original Source.



On a chilly night, bearded militants gathered at a stage strung with colorful lights in Darna, a Mediterranean coastal city long notorious as Libya's center for jihadi radicals. With a roaring chant, they pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. With that meeting 10 days ago, the militants dragged Darna into becoming the first city outside of Iraq and Syria to join the "caliphate" announced by the extremist group. Already, the city has seen religious courts ordering killings in public, floggings of residents accused of violating Shariah law, as well as enforced segregation of male and female students. Opponents of the militants have gone into hiding or fled, terrorized by a string of slayings aimed at silencing them.

A number of leading Islamic State militants came to the city from Iraq and Syria earlier this year and over a few months united most of Darna's multiple but long-divided extremist factions behind them. They paved the way by killing any rivals, including militants, according to local activists, former city council members and a former militant interviewed by The Associated Press. They all spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their lives. The vow of allegiance in Darna gives the Islamic State group a foothold in Libya, an oil-rich North African nation whose central government control has collapsed in the chaos since the 2011 ouster and death of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.....snip~


How a Libyan city joined the Islamic State group

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Heya Monte.....have you been keeping up on what ISIS has been doing in Libya this past week? I hit up a couple of the threads in The Africa forum with what they got going. While most are focused over here with this issue over Iraq.

Morning MMC
Don't know that I saw that specifically. Are you referring to their use of commercial planes to conduct air attacks, I think I read somewhere? I'm not diminishing Islamic State capabilities, just don't want to see embellishment like we did in early 2003 with faulty presentation and embellishment at the UN.
 
Yemen.....Failure.

Afghanistan - Failure.
Libya - Failure.
Syria - Failure.
Russia - Failure
Egypt - Failure
Iraq - Failure.

Going thru 3 Defense Secretaries, not listening to his Joint Chiefs, not listening to allies, says it all. Even those lefty MSDNC commentators are calling it like it is.






Both commentators also found Obama to be disconnected from the real world. Listen to Andrea Mitchell once again:

“I think that on foreign policy, his projection of success against terrorism and against ISIS, in particular, as I said, is not close to reality. They have not come up with a strategy, and they’ve built a global coalition, but again, he’s talked about Ukraine, he’s talked about Putin being isolated…but at the same time there’s renewed fighting in Donetsk, and we haven’t figured out Ukraine, we haven’t figured out how the NATO alliance can push back….So you’re right, Chris, it doesn’t match the reality.”.....snip~

Obama SOTU Speech Full Of Lies; Even Liberal Commentators Crying Foul - Downtrend


:lamo
A fair summation of the Obama administration's foreign policy performance.
Gosh according to you our military and its planners aren't worth a damn and we should all just volunteer to be beheaded.

Afghanistan is not a loss and still in progress. We didn't even come close to what the former Soviet Union experienced.

Since when did we fight in Egypt? Why should we send in troops to bumb**** Eqypt? The present government doesn't even like us.

Libya was a success militarily. What did you want an invasion?

Since when did we go to war with Russia and lose? Should we be involved in Ukraine where are lot of the population is loyal to Russia?

Did you really wany us to put boots on the ground in Syria? Why should we?

And Iraq is a mess handed over by Bush to Obama with the same withdrawal time line. And it's not a loss. It's on reset.

Without a Status of Forces agreement, Afghanistan is on the verge of failing. But then, a SoS there wasn't important enough to hold Obama's attention or efforts. Yeah, that'd be a failure, perhaps a failure in motion yet, but a failure none the less.

Of all of this, the key is:
Going thru 3 Defense Secretaries, not listening to his Joint Chiefs, not listening to allies, says it all. Even those lefty MSDNC commentators are calling it like it is.

And add to that, the worst possible practice of the White House meddling in military decisions where they shouldn't be, just like the loss in Viet Nam.
 
A fair summation of the Obama administration's foreign policy performance.


Without a Status of Forces agreement, Afghanistan is on the verge of failing. But then, a SoS there wasn't important enough to hold Obama's attention or efforts. Yeah, that'd be a failure, perhaps a failure in motion yet, but a failure none the less.

Of all of this, the key is:


And add to that, the worst possible practice of the White House meddling in military decisions where they shouldn't be, just like the loss in Viet Nam.



Well these Generals and Officers are those that were or are part of his Team. One minute they say it will take 3 years to train the Iraqis at a minimum. Now they say hey....we gonna take 25k of them train them for a few months and send them in to fight the toughest type of fighting there can be, and take back a city of 1 million people. Many who are supporting ISIS.

Booby-trapped to the max and including all pathways in. Team BO says now.....Piece of cake.
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Morning MMC
Don't know that I saw that specifically. Are you referring to their use of commercial planes to conduct air attacks, I think I read somewhere? I'm not diminishing Islamic State capabilities, just don't want to see embellishment like we did in early 2003 with faulty presentation and embellishment at the UN.

Nah, they took another city and went on some suicide bombings. But I saw that one on them, using commercial planes to make drops.


Putin wants the UN to set up an Anti Terrorism Center. Having the Worlds Intel work out of there. As the Russians are saying this fight is not just the West's Alone.
 
Nah, they took another city and went on some suicide bombings. But I saw that one on them, using commercial planes to make drops.


Putin wants the UN to set up an Anti Terrorism Center. Having the Worlds Intel work out of there. As the Russians are saying this fight is not just the West's Alone.



To the bolded, hadn't heard that. Do you support that notion?
 
OK, so what possible motivations are there for the military to announce to their enemies and the world when there are going to be taking major military action? I can't think of any. I can't see any military advantages in doing this in least. However, I can see political advantages, as in 'yes we have a strategy' (and no they don't).

So ball in your court. What is the military's motivations for compromising operation security?

Good morning, Erik. :2wave:

You beat me to the punch! Why in God's name are we announcing our plans to the enemy? I can't believe it's the military making the announcements, unless this just a big psychological punt for some reason! The element of surprise is helpful in war, I've been told. Sheesh! This is being treated like a big PR announcement, like Apple does when they've promoting a new product, with lots of fanfare and hand clapping - while innocent people are being tortured and killed!

We don't see the enemy extending the same "courtesy" to us. They keep their plans secret, implement them, and we are caught with our pants down while they move onward, conquering new territory! :bs: This is surreal! :thumbdown:

"Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory." Sun Tzu from The Art of War
 
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To the bolded, hadn't heard that. Do you support that notion?



Not really....with all given to the UN as some Authority to control it. Never!


Islamic State not just a Western problem, says top Russian spy.....

The head of Russia's FSB security agency said today that some 1,700 Russians are in Iraq and Syria fighting for IS forces – and that Russia and the West need to work more closely together to deal with jihadis.

Mr. Bortnikov, who was part of the Russian delegation to the Obama administration's Summit on Countering Violent Extremism, said it's time to create a special antiterrorism center under UN auspices and for intelligence services of all countries to pool their efforts. "We are interested not only in information exchanges, but also in joint work.".....snip~

Islamic State not just a Western problem, says top Russian spy
 
Not really....with all given to the UN as some Authority to control it. Never!


Islamic State not just a Western problem, says top Russian spy.....

The head of Russia's FSB security agency said today that some 1,700 Russians are in Iraq and Syria fighting for IS forces – and that Russia and the West need to work more closely together to deal with jihadis.

Mr. Bortnikov, who was part of the Russian delegation to the Obama administration's Summit on Countering Violent Extremism, said it's time to create a special antiterrorism center under UN auspices and for intelligence services of all countries to pool their efforts. "We are interested not only in information exchanges, but also in joint work.".....snip~

Islamic State not just a Western problem, says top Russian spy

You mean that you prefer that "the war on terror" remain an American model?
 
No I didn't say that.....I said I wouldn't give Authority to the UN. Would you?

Well, I mean if its not going to be with the US, where else could it be, Russia?
 
Well, I mean if its not going to be with the US, where else could it be, Russia?

Well it can still be Sovereign Nations working together. Doesn't take the UN's permission for anything or even informed unless needed to.

Would you give Authority to the UN?
 
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