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U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Thrilla said:
the Pentagon is pretty surprised at Centcom for releasing the information too... but don't let that get in your way.

everybody is kinda freaked out.. except for Obama sychophants who have magically turned into military masterminds.
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The pentagon is surprised? Got a link to back that up?
 
eohrnberger said:
If you think the Pentagon (skilled career military leaders who know that operational security and surprise are worth in the field) went and spilled the beans on that, rather than Obama (who doesn't know what the **** he's doing) directing them to spill the beans on that, well, how are your unicorns?
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Yeah Obama did it! LMAO!
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064338016 said:
Was calling ISIS a "JV" team a diversion too?
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One more time! They are JV when they go up against actual well trained soldiers! It doesn't take much to annilhate unarmed civilians and cowardly Iraqis!
 
eohrnberger said:
On who's orders did this "senior official with U.S. Central Command" do this? Not too many out rank a "senior official with U.S. Central Command".

Violating operational security is a violation of some of the most basic and most fundamental precepts of military operations, needlessly putting troops and the mission at risk. No, I'm thinking this is a politically motivated decision, that has Obama's and / or the White House's finger prints all over that, as this is what they typically do: politics uber alles.
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Your thinking is motivated by what you want to believe and no interest in what really happened.
 
Thrilla said:
false.

nobody divulged target lists , troop strengths, or unit compositions.

servicemembers who do this open themselves up to prosecution under the UCMJ
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No one is doing that now either.
 
MMC said:
Oh quit carrying BO peeps water.....just because you can't handle that you chose a failure. Doesn't mean you can cry to those of us who actually know what to do.

Now I know you lefties are literalists.....but can you like actually figure out what the Guys initials are. So we wouldn't have to show how smart you are.
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Failure? LMAO. I think it's obvious your attempts at proving he's a failure are the failure here.
 
MMC said:
How about harden defenses, traps, set up civilians by key strategic facilities, move valuable equipment around, and of course hostages.
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Happened long ago genius.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
One more time! They are JV when they go up against actual well trained soldiers! It doesn't take much to annilhate unarmed civilians and cowardly Iraqis!
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That's not what our people are saying. Were some of our Spec Ops lying?




With the Obama White House left reeling from the "savage" slaughter of an American journalist held hostage by ISIS terrorists, military options are being considered against an adversary who officials say is growing in strength and is much more capable than the one faced when the group was called "al Qaeda-Iraq" during the U.S. war from 2003-2011. ISIS appeared to have a sophisticated and well thought-out plan for establishing its "Islamic Caliphate" from northern Syria across the western and northern deserts of Iraq, many experts and officials have said, and support from hostage-taking, robbery and sympathetic donations to fund it. They use drones to gather overhead intel on targets and effectively commandeer captured military vehicles – including American Humvees -- and munitions.

"They tried to push out as far as they thought they could and were fully prepared to pull back a little bit when we beat them back with airstrikes around Erbil. And they were fine with that, and ready to hold all of the ground they have now," a second official told ABC News. U.S. special operations forces under the Joint Special Operations Command and U.S. Special Operations Command keep close tabs on the military evolution of ISIS and both its combat and terrorism -- called "asymmetric" -- capabilities, officials told ABC News. A primary reason is in anticipation of possibly fighting them, which a full squadron of special mission unit operators did in the Independence Day raid on an ISIS camp in Raqqah, Syria. "They're incredible fighters. ISIS teams in many places use special operations TTPs," said the second official, who has considerable combat experience, using the military term for "tactics, techniques and procedures."....snip~

ISIS an 'Incredible' Fighting Force, US Special Ops Sources Say
 
MMC said:
So you don't know much about military tactics, nothing about logistics. Do you think that harden defenses, moving in more anti Air, setting more mines. Inside a city that has bridges and that has an underground that you laugh at the fact that defenses could be improved on from what one had set up from their beginning. Have more withdrawal points that they can fight from when looking to cut and run. A bit much for you to try and conceptualize huh? To difficult to comprehend, eh.

Wait do you know anything about trying to stay alive when a known offensive is coming in a combat area? Anything at all?

Yeah I get a good chuckle out of those that think they know some **** about the Military.....when they actually don't. Is that what your civilian handbook tells ya. :lamo
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And what are your qualifications that are so superior to the pentagon? Video games? Did you work in the pentagon or were you a general involved in strategic planning? If not you're just talking out of your ass.
 
ironhorse said:
We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?
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There's no defensive structure they can build that will hold up to what we've got. Were you still in diapers during desert storm?
 
MMC said:
Mornin Ironhorse :2wave: Its worse than that. But the only real reason to telegraph in detail is to get the word out to civilians.



Still, the move bewildered some former top military commanders.

“I was surprised to see them do this,” says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as commander of US forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005. “It’s a little perplexing to me to go into the amount of detail and the timelines that they did.” It makes some sense, however, to reinforce US confidence in the Iraqi security forces as they move to retake the ground, he adds. And from a psychological warfare perspective, “It sends a message that they are taking back the city.” It might, for example, cause IS forces to converge on the city, drawing them away from fighting elsewhere. Or it could inspire them “to make a tactical withdrawal and go somewhere else, if they realize war is coming.” Analysts including Mr. Barno agree that there is slim chance of the latter scenario. More likely – and important: This could be an effort to avert civilian casualties by encouraging people to leave before the fierce fighting begins.

The problem with telegraphing the plans to retake Mosul, however, is that it allows IS fighters to prepare. “That’s one of the downsides,” says Barno, who is now a distinguished practitioner in residence at American University’s School of International Service in Washington. IS forces will not stand and fight “in big chunks of 500 here and 1,000 there.” Instead, they will plant roadside bombs and set booby traps, using their capabilities “to make it a deadly place.” In the second battle of Fallujah, insurgent fighters set up Jersey barriers and rigged homes with explosives. Like Fallujah, Mosul is a large city of 1 million people, and any US-backed invasion with Iraqi troops will prove to be a “very tough urban fight,” says Dr. Mansoor, chair in military history at Ohio State University in Columbus.....snip~

US outlines mission to retake Mosul from Islamic State. Why so public a plan?

Yeah, notice how top military analysts state that it gives ISIS time to prepare. Thats even after having control of the city since last year. After hanging out and partying, running their slave ring, setting up cells, and garnering support from civvies.

As you see kind of hard for some to Imagine, comprehend, and understand huh? Nothing to be concerned about at all according to the leftists here. Its par for the course, nothing new here.

Other than 25k military troops trying to take a city of 1 Million.....with an embedded enemy.
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Blah, blah, blah. I'm so sick of you people exaggerating the capabilities of ISIS. They're a bunch of well armed rag tag thugs that will have their asses handed to them by the best army in the world.
 
MMC said:
Looks like they will be doing some improvising. Like the General said. Do catch up at least.
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Piss on that general. Generals are a dime a dozen and all have an opinion. Some are as ignorant as you.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Failure? LMAO. I think it's obvious your attempts at proving he's a failure are the failure here.
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Yemen.....Failure.

Afghanistan - Failure.
Libya - Failure.
Syria - Failure.
Russia - Failure
Egypt - Failure
Iraq - Failure.

Going thru 3 Defense Secretaries, not listening to his Joint Chiefs, not listening to allies, says it all. Even those lefty MSDNC commentators are calling it like it is.






Both commentators also found Obama to be disconnected from the real world. Listen to Andrea Mitchell once again:

“I think that on foreign policy, his projection of success against terrorism and against ISIS, in particular, as I said, is not close to reality. They have not come up with a strategy, and they’ve built a global coalition, but again, he’s talked about Ukraine, he’s talked about Putin being isolated…but at the same time there’s renewed fighting in Donetsk, and we haven’t figured out Ukraine, we haven’t figured out how the NATO alliance can push back….So you’re right, Chris, it doesn’t match the reality.”.....snip~

Obama SOTU Speech Full Of Lies; Even Liberal Commentators Crying Foul - Downtrend


:lamo
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Blah, blah, blah. I'm so sick of you people exaggerating the capabilities of ISIS. They're a bunch of well armed rag tag thugs that will have their asses handed to them by the best army in the world.
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Yeah now you are Sick and tired of US Special Forces and what they say.....isn't that surprising. :lol:
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And what are your qualifications that are so superior to the pentagon? Video games? Did you work in the pentagon or were you a general involved in strategic planning? If not you're just talking out of your ass.
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Well, I can at least say I have been there before and in the thick of it. With an enemy that I think would kick the **** out of any Arab Terrorist Organizations. But then I know what the NVA are capable of.
 
MMC said:
Yeah now you are Sick and tired of US Special Forces and what they say.....isn't that surprising. :lol:
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Are USSF's claiming that the Islamic State is formidable?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Your thinking is motivated by what you want to believe and no interest in what really happened.
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OK, so what possible motivations are there for the military to announce to their enemies and the world when there are going to be taking major military action? I can't think of any. I can't see any military advantages in doing this in least. However, I can see political advantages, as in 'yes we have a strategy' (and no they don't).

So ball in your court. What is the military's motivations for compromising operation security?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Yeah Obama did it! LMAO!
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Who else can order the military to do something that is counter to their best interests? Counter to operational success?
Not too many people in the administration can do that.
 
MMC said:
That's not what our people are saying[/B]. Were some of our Spec Ops lying?
With the Obama White House left reeling from the "savage" slaughter of an American journalist held hostage by ISIS terrorists, military options are being considered against an adversary who officials say is growing in strength and is much more capable than the one faced when the group was called "al Qaeda-Iraq" during the U.S. war from 2003-2011. ISIS appeared to have a sophisticated and well thought-out plan for establishing its "Islamic Caliphate" from northern Syria across the western and northern deserts of Iraq, many experts and officials have said, and support from hostage-taking, robbery and sympathetic donations to fund it. They use drones to gather overhead intel on targets and effectively commandeer captured military vehicles – including American Humvees -- and munitions."They tried to push out as far as they thought they could and were fully prepared to pull back a little bit when we beat them back with airstrikes around Erbil. And they were fine with that, and ready to hold all of the ground they have now," a second official told ABC News. U.S. special operations forces under the Joint Special Operations Command and U.S. Special Operations Command keep close tabs on the military evolution of ISIS and both its combat and terrorism -- called "asymmetric" -- capabilities, officials told ABC News. A primary reason is in anticipation of possibly fighting them, which a full squadron of special mission unit operators did in the Independence Day raid on an ISIS camp in Raqqah, Syria. "They're incredible fighters. ISIS teams in many places use special operations TTPs," said the second official, who has considerable combat experience, using the military term for "tactics, techniques and procedures."....snip~ISIS an 'Incredible' Fighting Force, US Special Ops Sources Say
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1) Cool. Lots of quotes..absolutely NO named sources other than "anonymous" and "Chuck Hagel" (Lies of the empire: Chuck Hagel on ISIS, Assad (Annotated)) whom if my memory is correct, was no less a war monger than his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, who lied through his teeth about Iraq. My guess here is that belief in the need of war to solve a problem and belief in the need to seek out lies that justify the use of war, tend to be ideologically pigeonholed within the right wing.

2) Study: 'U.S. Army officers lie' routinely -- Nuff said

3) US Military Lies - Naw...the government only lies, not the US Military.....

The proper name associated to people who tenaciously cling to lies that support their ideology is called; Confirmation Bias.
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Paxaeon said:
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1) Cool. Lots of quotes..absolutely NO named sources other than "anonymous" and "Chuck Hagel" (Lies of the empire: Chuck Hagel on ISIS, Assad (Annotated)) whom if my memory is correct, was no less a war monger than his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, who lied through his teeth about Iraq. My guess here is that belief in the need of war to solve a problem and belief in the need to seek out lies that justify the use of war, tend to be ideologically pigeonholed within the right wing.

2) Study: 'U.S. Army officers lie' routinely -- Nuff said

3) US Military Lies - Naw...the government only lies, not the US Military.....

The proper name associated to people who tenaciously cling to lies that support their ideology is called; Confirmation Bias.
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Tell that to ABC they did the interview. They did say Officials(plural) From a US Special Operations Command. Which included a report from a full squad that went into Raqqah Syria.

So one can see how they would not name them if still operational.

But now.....why would BO's own Team Lie?

And how does those links help you now? :lol:
 
I'm not an expert on tactics -far from it. But it looks like some house to house fighting is gonna be needed to clean out Mosul.
In defense of the Pentagon, liberating Mosul isn't exactly a secret - I did hear the Peshmerga are going to stay north to keep ISIL from retreating.

I also question the will/readiness of the Iraqis - I assume US will lead?
There is also the question of the Iranians, are they going to fight with the Iraqis? Is the Iraqi army capable of fighting together
with Shia & Sunni's?

I think the announcement was supposed to motivate the Iraqis ( what I read someplace)..But I don't see anything we can do to motivate.
It's up to them to do this -we aren't going to send in heavy ground forces, we just aren't Obama won't risk anything for all his talk
 
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