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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

No, I really don't, and all manor of handwringing over Saddam's alleged stockpiles of WMD, with delivery systems that could produce a mushroom cloud over a US city, was never a concern to me either. As a matter of fact, nobody in the world threatens me, except when our governments advance policies that piss other people off and make them hate me for being an American, and wish to chop my head off. And when I read NIE's like the one produced during the Bush administration that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has aggravated and emboldened terrorism around the world, and made me less safe, it reinforces that sentiment. So,
my government needs to STOP doing things that are compromising my security.

Monte ... believe me ... I understand the sentiment and agree completely ... just from a different perspective.
 
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Monte ... believe me ... I understand the sentiment and agree completely ... just from a different perspective.

Hey, if you and I can meet up at the same bar and enjoy a beer together, despite the fact we traveled different roads to get there, it works for me. :)
 
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What does Rudy's family have to do with this? Are you reducing yourself to Rudy's level by attacking his family when your issue is with him?

Rudy owns his words. It's partisan to expect other people to speak out. Rudy is an adult. He doesn't answer to anyone. Don't like his words? Fine. But don't be partisan and apply them to others.

Are you responsible for the words of every idiot Liberal?

Here's one ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

Offered for it's humor value ... or whatever.
 
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Okay, okay. Maybe just one nuke. A little one. One like we used on Hiroshima. Nothing big, for heaven's sake. They don't pose an existential threat to us. Say we lost, uh, Birmingham, Alabama. Who'd cry?

Hey, if you and I can meet up at the same bar and enjoy a beer together, despite the fact we traveled different roads to get there, it works for me. :)


Damn right !
How 'bout if I pick up Humbolt on the way?
 
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Which was my point exactly. Raw materials resources which became booty for the US after defeating the Spanish half a century earlier. The "right" of sovereign nations to trade with whom they wish, I never have denied. Perhaps you think you can quote me such. Nevertheless, the economic warfare that FDR waged on Japan, hoping to draw an attack and as such demonstrate to the American people, his hurdle, the legitimacy for declaring war on Japan. If you want to argue that engaging Japan as such was a good thing, that's fine, but it's another matter. My point has been that the American people 80% were steadfastly against involvement in another world war! and only through intrigue and deceit, was FDR able to reverse those numbers.


The Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, accordingly imposed a series of increasingly
stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. "On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the
Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials." Under this authority, "[o]n July 31,
exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted." Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt
slapped an embargo, effective October 16, "on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western
Hemisphere." Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt "froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an
effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan." [8] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their
colonies in Southeast Asia.

All of which were the direct result of the atrocities committed by the Japanese throughout Asia, the assertion that denying the Imperial Japanese the fuel to feed their genocide is the act of an aggressor state is laughable nonsense. :roll:
 
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You're spinning.

Only if you believe that declaring what someone did was "unpatriotic" (i.e., running up the national debt) versus declaring that someone wasn't a patriot and you have no proof whatsoever to support your claim (i.e., was the individual a draft dodger? Is he of a militant, anti-government, anti-America mindset?).

Folks have provided excerpts from speeches and video clips showing where Pres. Obama has stated that he loves this country and yet you still seek out anything in your attempts to persuade people to think otherwise. I think the person that's spinning here is you and Rudy Giuliani.
 
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Only if you believe that declaring what someone did washer "unpatriotic" (i.e., running up the national debt) versus declaring that someone wasn't a patriot and you have no proof whatsoever to support your claim (i.e., was the individual a draft dodger? Is he of a militant, anti-government, anti-America mindset?).

Folks have provided excerpts from speeches and video clips showing where Pres. Obama has stated that he loves this country and yet you still seek out anything in your attempts to persuade people to think otherwise. I think the person that's spinning here is you and Rudy Giuliani.

OK, if someone does something that is racist, that person isn't a racist?
 
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Even Giuliani has caught ODS. Maybe they ought to ramp up vaccinations for ODS along with the measles. Especially on Republicans.
 
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remember reverend wright, his preacher/mentor? remember his "God D@mn America!!!!!" speech?

remember his wife: the first time she was proud of America was when it elected her husband

Does that make Giuliani right? no. Does it mean he could build a strong case questioning Obama's love of America COMPARED to EVERY OTHER president?....absolutely. I think his speeches and actions would put on dead last on the list of presidential patriotism(some, like a Kennedy or a Reagan, are galaxies ahead of him on that list).

still, not a smart move on his part. it's like the third rail of political accusations. don't touch
 
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remember reverend wright, his preacher/mentor? remember his "God D@mn America!!!!!" speech?

remember his wife: the first time she was proud of America was when it elected her husband

Does that make Giuliani right? no. Does it mean he could build a strong case questioning Obama's love of America to EVERY OTHER president?....absolutely

still, not a smart move on his part. it's like the third rail of political accusations. don't touch

Never ceases to amaze me how people consistently bring up Reverend Wright and one out-of-context from Michelle Obama -- two people who are not Barack Obama -- as evidence of how awful Barack Obama is.
 
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Ha, I forgot about that! It's amazing how something is discussed ad nauseam and then you never hear it again.
He almost looked pissed that Georgie tried to correct him.
 
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Never ceases to amaze me how people consistently bring up Reverend Wright and one out-of-context from Michelle Obama -- two people who are not Barack Obama -- as evidence of how awful Barack Obama is.

You must be really horrified at the OP for trying to tie Scott Walker to Rudy Giuliani then. At least Obama has a relationship with those 2 people; one is his self-described "moral compass" and the other is his wife. Walker was just in the room.
 
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Being a bad politician does not make him an America hater.
 
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You must be really horrified at the OP for trying to tie Scott Walker to Rudy Giuliani then. At least Obama has a relationship with those 2 people; one is his self-described "moral compass" and the other is his wife. Walker was just in the room.

I don't agree with trying to tie Walker to Giuliani's comments; then again, I'm also not the OP.
 
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I don't agree with trying to tie Walker to Giuliani's comments; then again, I'm also not the OP.

Oh, I guess I missed your posted outrage about the OP making a few dozen posts in this thread trying to tie Walker to Giuliani.
 
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All of which were the direct result of the atrocities committed by the Japanese throughout Asia, the assertion that denying the Imperial Japanese the fuel to feed their genocide is the act of an aggressor state is laughable nonsense. :roll:

Obviously you miss the point. If you want to argue that we should have provoked Japan, or that we needed to prevent them from encroaching upon the South Pacific resources that we were exploiting, fine. But that's a different argument. What you can't do, is deny that FDR was provoking a Japanese attack to turn the American opposition to our involvement in another war, see?
 
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Never ceases to amaze me how people consistently bring up Reverend Wright and one out-of-context from Michelle Obama -- two people who are not Barack Obama -- as evidence of how awful Barack Obama is.

Which is a very good point, and something that they wouldn't allow of a republican politician.
 
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Oh, I guess I missed your posted outrage about the OP making a few dozen posts in this thread trying to tie Walker to Giuliani.

I'm not responsible for what other people post.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

If he loved America why would get his countriess many trillionns of dollars in debt, an action that cause him to call George Bush "Unpatriotic" for doing much less.

Giuliani is correct in his observation and the real question is why the media and the lefties are making such a fuss of it?

Correct. In addition he fosters strife and division within the nation, emboldens our enemies while punking our allies, and his policies continue to fail and yet he does not change course.

Yes-he does not love this nation.
 
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I'm not responsible for what other people post.

Of course not. But you only quickly pointed out how outrageous it was for one poster to mention Wright and Michelle...ironically in a thread where the OP has spent pages and pages trying to connect Walker with Giuliani. I just found that fascinating.
 
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You must be really horrified at the OP for trying to tie Scott Walker to Rudy Giuliani then. At least Obama has a relationship with those 2 people; one is his self-described "moral compass" and the other is his wife. Walker was just in the room.

Scott Walker TIED himself to Giuliani when he invited him to his little shindig, and as such, owns what Giuliani said, unless that is, that he seperates himself from it, which he's chicken **** to do, so......... He's finished. And anyway, as John Dean pointed out today, he's more Nixonian than Nixon himself. Kiss Walkers ass good bye!
 
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