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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

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face said:
All of which were the direct result of the atrocities committed by the Japanese throughout Asia, the assertion that denying the Imperial Japanese the fuel to feed their genocide is the act of an aggressor state is laughable nonsense. :roll:
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There is always that urban myth, stated as fact, that FDR drew the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

They always brush passed the fact Japan was at war with Britain and China, was threatening US holdings in the South Pacific and that Japan had declared an empire across the Pacific extending to the Siberian coast and Alaska.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Of course not. But you only quickly pointed out how outrageous it was for one poster to mention Wright and Michelle...ironically in a thread where the OP has spent pages and pages trying to connect Walker with Giuliani. I just found that fascinating.
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I never said "outrageous." I just found it amusing, considering the people who usually make the argument.
 
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US Conservative said:
Perhaps it was supposed to be his "coming out" announcement, so he could say later "See! I told you!"
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I find this one most interesting..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

Note the perfect pronunciations he offers, and his body language, tall and proud of these facts, almost appearing to want to be seen as Muslim.

I have said before his art is performance, that he has tried to be all things to all people, not empathize but be them. We have seen him use "negro" language at one point, and how in his early campaigning he would become enchanted with himself and the laughs he was getting.

He could not have known then, and likely never would believe that he would be staring down the barrel of an ISIS attack. He truly believed, I theorize, that if he could be seen as "one of them" then the conflict would be over.

Nevertheless, they are the words of a president, and suggest strongly that his relationship with Islam may be more important than his relationship with America...
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I find this one most interesting..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

Note the perfect pronunciations he offers, and his body language, tall and proud of these facts, almost appearing to want to be seen as Muslim.

I have said before his art is performance, that he has tried to be all things to all people, not empathize but be them. We have seen him use "negro" language at one point, and how in his early campaigning he would become enchanted with himself and the laughs he was getting.

He could not have known then, and likely never would believe that he would be staring down the barrel of an ISIS attack. He truly believed, I theorize, that if he could be seen as "one of them" then the conflict would be over.

Nevertheless, they are the words of a president, and suggest strongly that his relationship with Islam may be more important than his relationship with America...
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Exactly, so who's side is he on? That question is becoming increasingly hard to answer.
 
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US Conservative said:
Exactly, so who's side is he on? That question is becoming increasingly hard to answer.
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This is the problem with populism. Obama in the early going seemed to be promising all things to all people, that he would "renegotiate" NAFTA when speaking in Ohio and Michigan, then he would ensure energy self sufficiency by treaties with Canada and Mexico, ignoring the fact you can't touch one without the other.

In the socialist world here, the 'movement' is a grab bag of ecologists, labor unions, special interest groups and lawyers. Sooner or later those interest clash and a "side" has to be chosen. Deny a pipeline and lose the union vote, approve the pipeline and lose the eco vote, etc.

Now, he has posed as one of them, never realizing it could come back and bite him in the ass. And guys like Guilliani are just the guys to do it....they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Attorney General Guilliani anyone?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
This is the problem with populism. Obama in the early going seemed to be promising all things to all people, that he would "renegotiate" NAFTA when speaking in Ohio and Michigan, then he would ensure energy self sufficiency by treaties with Canada and Mexico, ignoring the fact you can't touch one without the other.

In the socialist world here, the 'movement' is a grab bag of ecologists, labor unions, special interest groups and lawyers. Sooner or later those interest clash and a "side" has to be chosen. Deny a pipeline and lose the union vote, approve the pipeline and lose the eco vote, etc.

Now, he has posed as one of them, never realizing it could come back and bite him in the ass. And guys like Guilliani are just the guys to do it....they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Attorney General Guilliani anyone?
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I was wondering that about him, what if anything is he hoping to gain out of this? Its refreshing to hear such candor. He'd make a fine AG.
 
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US Conservative said:
I was wondering that about him, what if anything is he hoping to gain out of this? Its refreshing to hear such candor. He'd make a fine AG.
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he didn't do it for sport.....

And yes, I do think he would make a good AG. A bit too aggressive perhaps for my taste, but he has shown he is no nonsense, get it done. I also believe it was he, more than George Bush who held New York together during the aftermath of 911. Some Vancouver firefighters were among the first foreign boots on the ground and their recollections were that it was he out encouraging them at dawn with no cameras around. I know the Canadian mayors thought highly of him.

He is not, however, of presidential timber due much to his personal life which wouldn't count for jack **** in any other country
 
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Fearandloathing said:
he didn't do it for sport.....

And yes, I do think he would make a good AG. A bit too aggressive perhaps for my taste, but he has shown he is no nonsense, get it done. I also believe it was he, more than George Bush who held New York together during the aftermath of 911. Some Vancouver firefighters were among the first foreign boots on the ground and their recollections were that it was he out encouraging them at dawn with no cameras around. I know the Canadian mayors thought highly of him.

He is not, however, of presidential timber due much to his personal life which wouldn't count for jack **** in any other country
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His record as AG in NYC is impressive as well, he is credited for taking on the mafia. I'd like a guy like that in office.
 
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US Conservative said:
His record as AG in NYC is impressive as well, he is credited for taking on the mafia. I'd like a guy like that in office.
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Right, a prostitute for president, let's slip another notch down the scale.
 
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US Conservative said:
Exactly, so who's side is he on? That question is becoming increasingly hard to answer.
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If Barrack Obama was on the side of the Muslims, would his present policies change? If he was on the side of the West and the US Military they might change dramatically.
 
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Grant said:
If Barrack Obama was on the side of the Muslims, would his present policies change? If he was on the side of the West and the US Military they might change dramatically.
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Thats the point-even if he's not-whats the difference?
 
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Montecresto said:
Obviously you miss the point. If you want to argue that we should have provoked Japan, or that we needed to prevent them from encroaching upon the South Pacific resources that we were exploiting, fine. But that's a different argument. What you can't do, is deny that FDR was provoking a Japanese attack to turn the American opposition to our involvement in another war, see?
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What you can't do is completely ignore the atrocities that provoked the US to place a trade embargo on Japan, what you can't do is assert that not feeding the Japanese genocide throughout Asia with fuel and rubber was the act of an aggressor state, what you can't do is assert that refusing to support that genocide is somehow Cassus Belli. Japan was the aggressor state in WW2, the US never committed an act of war against Japan, and it was the Japanese who provoked the US. Again by your insane logic every member of the Israeli BDS movement has declared war on Israel and are thus legitimate military targets. Absolute nonsense.
 
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Montecresto said:
“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

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Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.
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I don't think Obama loves America either.
He has a record now... a very public one, and I think it's clear. He's a raging partisan who was raised by and who associated with people who do not like this country.

You do not fundamentally want to change something you love.
 
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face said:
What you can't do is completely ignore the atrocities that provoked the US to place a trade embargo on Japan, what you can't do is assert that not feeding the Japanese genocide throughout Asia with fuel and rubber was the act of an aggressor state, what you can't do is assert that refusing to support that genocide is somehow Cassus Belli. Japan was the aggressor state in WW2, the US never committed an act of war against Japan, and it was the Japanese who provoked the US. Again by your insane logic every member of the Israeli BDS movement has declared war on Israel and are thus legitimate military targets. Absolute nonsense.
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It's common knowledge by now that FDR was provoking Japan, hoping for an overt strike. Again, you may think that's what he should have done, that's a different debate. Point is, it was deceptive, and led Americans to believe that we had been coasting along, minding our own business, when out of the blue, and for no reason at all, Japan attacked us. It wasn't true, but it worked, and Americans got squarely behind him.
 
SheWolf said:
I like how he is trying to downplay what he said, and argue nobody can call him racist because Obama's mom was white... :doh

He was obviously trying to appeal to the racist elements of the right wing. It roughly translates to "he wasn't born here, he is a Kenyan, Muslim, socialist trying to destroy America from the inside-out."
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:lamo Yeah. :lol: :) Sure. Because the right wing doesn't divide the world by ideas, like the left wing world does. No, they divide the world by identity groups, unlike the left.


I hear he's also shaved all his hair and gone bald. Clearly he's messaging the skinhead populace, trying to let them know with visual dog whistles that he's "one of them". :D
 
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cpwill said:
:lamo Yeah. Because he's got a dog whistle that only liberals can hear :lol: :) Sure.
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I don't think it was overtly racist; however, I don't think it's plausibly deniable that the GOP has tried to portray Obama as some shadowy other who's just not like us, in part because of his unconventional upbringing.
 
If Rafael Edward Cruz runs for president let's see if the right and the Tea Party cares that he was born in Canada and his father fought for Fidel Castro.

I doubt they will.
 
zimmer said:
I don't think Obama loves America either.
He has a record now... a very public one, and I think it's clear. He's a raging partisan who was raised by and who associated with people who do not like this country.

You do not fundamentally want to change something you love.
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Exactly. You can promise to govern better the country you love but not to "Change" it. The fact that he felt he represented "Hope" for America also suggested the country was in short supply in that area, when American optimism had always played a large part in the country's character.
 
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Montecresto said:
It's common knowledge by now that FDR was provoking Japan, hoping for an overt strike. Again, you may think that's what he should have done, that's a different debate. Point is, it was deceptive, and led Americans to believe that we had been coasting along, minding our own business, when out of the blue, and for no reason at all, Japan attacked us. It wasn't true, but it worked, and Americans got squarely behind him.
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This anti American conspiracy theory pokes its head up every few years and is debunked each time. You seem to be seeking out derision.
 
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Grant said:
This anti American conspiracy theory pokes its head up every few years and is debunked each time. You seem to be seeking out derision.
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So you too think that FDR was doing nothing provocative to Japan and they just decide to invite the US to war with them so that there aggressions in Asia wouldn't be so easy for them? Ok
 
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Montecresto said:
So you too think that FDR was doing nothing provocative to Japan and they just decide to invite the US to war with them so that there aggressions in Asia wouldn't be so easy for them? Ok
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I understand your basement theories.

Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was America's fault and Terrorists attacking the WTC on 9/11 was America's fault. These stale theories of yours are not worthy of discussion.
 
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Grant said:
I understand your basement theories.

Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was America's fault and Terrorists attacking the WTC on 9/11 was America's fault. These stale theories of yours are not worthy of discussion.
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Yeah, I knew that answering that question would compromise your position and small view. So why do you keep addressing me, if it's not worthy of discussion, hmm?
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, I knew that answering that question would compromise your position and small view. So why do you keep addressing me, if it's not worthy of discussion, hmm?
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Because you represent a poorly educated underclass who has been taught, somewhere, that the source of the world's problems can somehow be traced back to the United States. You are less a person to me than a symptom..
 
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Grant said:
Because you represent a poorly educated underclass who has been taught, somewhere, that the source of the world's problems can somehow be traced back to the United States. You are less a person to me than a symptom..
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Still can't answer the inconvenient question, just smoke.
 
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